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#258137
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Final Consensus On 2006 OOT
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It's the best quality I have of Star Wars. I have some bootleg, not sure who's, but it looks a little worse ... and, something I don't know if any bootlegs have .... is missing the original crawl.

Original crawl plus laserdisc image quality in the convenience of a DVD = best version of Star Wars available, imo.


(I don't have the other two yet, but if Best Buy continues the $10 price after this weekend of shopping hell, I will pick those up.)
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#257925
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Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257925/action/topic#257925
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ok, i'm a retard or something, but what's ORS?





And if this place burned 'em at the stake for even liking the prequels, I would not post here. Everyone's free to have their own taste and opinions. But lame arguments and combative statements about prequels or anything else are likely to meet with some feisty opposition.


Hell, this is an O.T.-lovers site, and I have yet to get any shit about not liking The Empire Strikes Back. That means anything goes, brutha!


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#257923
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Bond, James Bond
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No, I was just saying that in case someone had no idea who Chris Cornell was. But he got a solo credit on that song, whereas "Live and Let Die" was formally credited to Paul McCartney and Wings.

Wings is the only "band" to ever share a credit on a James Bond Song. One other band got a full credit on a Bond song. Anyone know who?


(hehehe, Bond music trivia game!)
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#257172
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Bond, James Bond
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257172/action/topic#257172
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I won't be seeing it for about 7 hours, but I love the fact that it's played like Bond's first mission.

Even though they pretend the same character has continued for - pulease - 40 years ... I've always thought of each new actor as a new Bond, getting the name and number issued to him upon the demise or retirement of the last one.

There was no other way for my mind to grok the immense differences in Bond's personality, not to mention looks, and the fact that he remained a fairly youthful ladies man during the stretch of four decades.

Having Judi Dench as "M" and this Bond on his first mission in the current year of 2006 makes it implicit that there are multiple, succeeding Bonds. Certain inconsistencies must be overlooked of course, but I find more implausibilities eliminated via this interpretation of the series.


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#257169
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257169/action/topic#257169
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To be fair, I remember highlights from 20 years ago ... longer in fact. I can, for instance, recall a great many things about the Return of the Jedi line-up in 1983. There was some great stuff that happened that week.

I dunno if an unachieved movie shot would be on that same level of memorability. Personally, though, I tend to remember my successes and forget my failures.








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#257121
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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Heheh, per Nick Meyer ... it would take at least 20 takes to get Shatner to stop hamming it up and give his best performances. Good directors do whatever it takes, no matter how many takes.


(Meyer's other directorial effort was Time After Time, another good flick ... yes, he has no dogs in his limited oeuvre ... but I think 3 out of 3 is a far better record than 3 out of 6.)


BTW, Nick Meyer is a very witty, intelligent and downright funny guy - as well as an obviously talented director and writer. I had no idea, till the other night, that he had written much of Star Trek 4 ... which was a time travel movie set in San Francisco ... enabling him to include a bunch of unused stuff from his earlier Time After Time, a time travel movie set in San Francisco. Heheh.
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#257006
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257006/action/topic#257006
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And Go-Mer, though I'm sure the Han and Jabba scene from the 1977 cutting-room floor doesn't ruin Star Wars for you, do you not find the inclusion to be redundant and therefore negatively affecting the pacing?

If not ... do you or do you not agree with the Screenwriting 101 precept that two scenes presenting identical information are to be avoided, and such scenes within minutes of screen time of each other are to be avoided at all costs?


What I posted earlier about King Kong and Casablanca is applicable to scenes, like the Han & Jabba scene, which - contrary to the director's intent - ended up on the cutting room floor ... to the director's regret and the film's improvement.



Few people claim the SE's (of whichever vintage) ruined Star Wars, but many (me among them) claim they are inferior to the original ... and many (me among claim) claim that supressing the originals (OMG to the point of "permanently altering" the negative) is an abuse of cinema history ... and I might add a vile performance of stewardship.


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#256980
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256980/action/topic#256980
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Originally posted by: Vigo
you sometimes can not get what you want during shooting. Did it make the movie any worse? No. The scene worked perfectly in the original version. Sometimes, it is the limitations that drive people to excellency. Many real artists will confirm this.

Ergo, the end of King Kong, not to mention the end of Casablanca. Not that these were accidents happening on shooting day, but they were written and inserted into the films at the last moment, with production well underway.

Not only will real artists confirm that accidental or even unwanted things often work out artistically best, great artists will know this to be the case and not frantically resist or stupidly second-guess.





Edited to add:

Oh, and huzzah for everything Vigo also wrote in his last post, vis-a-vis the feel of certain movie periods, and how every element is effected and constrained by and expressive of that historical period.



As for Tolkien, yes it was a dickwad move of his to change The Hobbit to fit with the later-written The Lord of the Rings. He get no pass from me. I don't believe he ever went back and burned his original manuscript, but I don't really know.


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#256947
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256947/action/topic#256947
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Are you reading what you write? "Permanently altered" is different from destroyed? How so?

Don't give me any crap about many individual scenes and shots remaining. The original negative - if permantently altered - no longer exists.


And yeah, despite the fact that we non-filmmakers have every right to opine about filmmaking - as members of the public to whom all public art belongs in perpetuity - - I gave the contrasting opinion of another filmmaker and not simply my own.

Don't diss Nick Meyers' single-person filmmaker opinion by claiming that George Lucas' single-person filmmaker opinion is somehow better or more correct. They are simply two differing viewpoints from filmmakers - one of which I happen to agree with, and the other of which I find abhorent, insane, insecure, and psychotic.


And yes - destroying the negatives of The Wizard of Oz, Citizen Kane, Gone With the Wind, Vertigo, Singin' in the Rain, Lawrence of Arabia, or Star Wars would be crimes ... absolute evil, villainous crimes against art history. I take that stance quite seriously. Are you claiming otherwise? If I come into legal ownership of Forbidden Planet, is it ok for me to destroy the negative? What the fuck are you on about?




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#256943
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256943/action/topic#256943
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Go-Mer, you are a fucking RETARD, plain and simple.

There is no such thing as UPDATING a negative without destroying the original negative. Learn to speak and understand the English Language.


What did Lucas do with the scenes removed from the Star Wars negative for the special edition? Were they destroyed or weren't they?


If, at his command, the negative of the original Star Wars no longer exists, it is - by frelling definition in English - destroyed.
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#256929
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256929/action/topic#256929
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Originally posted by: Vigo
The worst thing he did was destroying the original negative of the original Star Wars films. For every Star Wars fan, this should be unforgivable.
For every movie fan, this is unforgiveable. It's really just about the most heinous cinema crime I've ever heard of.

There have been other negatives of cinematic masterpieces of historical significance which have been shamefully neglected and allowed to deteriorate ... but this is the only instance I've ever been made aware of where someone purposefully destroyed such a negative.


I find this quote of George's that Go-Mer posted to be outrageous and, well, indicative of insanity:
Originally stated by George Lucas
Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished.

Huh? WTF? Anybody who makes films? What a crock! Who is he to speak for the world's filmmakers? ... most of whom I would imagine are grown-up enough to know that, at some point (and yeah, it's usually the point of public release) your work of art is finished ... and it's on to the next. He has a lot of nerve projecting his permanent state of real or faux dissastisfaction onto the rest of the world's filmmakers. Megalomaniac, with the emphasis on Maniac!!!


Interestingly, I was at a screening of Star Trek Wrath of Kahn last night that featured a Q&A with the writer/director Nicolas Meyer. He said that films were like a message in a bottle ... and that despite any legal claims to the contrary, a film no longer belongs to its creator in any real or moral sense once it's put out there to the public. I gave him a hearty dose of applause for his admission, as a filmmaker, that "ownership" of art is impossible and illusory once it becomes part of the public sphere.


Plain and simple, George Lucas is a fucktard lunatic. I've never been so happy to not have a widescreen TV in my life ... cause I can pretty much be satisfied with the recent substandard DVD release of Star Wars. If he wants to repudiate his unforgiveable criminal past and complete a fullscale restoration of Star Wars, that will be gravy. In the meanwhile, I don't give a fig what a creep the likes of George Lucas does with his twisted life. He can twirl his villainous mustache outside the San Rafael Best Buy as far as I'm concerned ... or, in his case, flick the folds of his multiple necks.


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#256787
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What versions of the SW saga do you own (OT, PT, preservations, etc)?
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Originally posted by: auximenies
Originally posted by: vbangle
Why start a new thread when there is already a what version you own thread here.


Well, technically this one asks which versions of the SW saga do people own, whereas that one asks about only OT versions. So I suppose for some reason he's interested in what versions of the PT people have.

Ah, I didn't realize the difference either.

Well, heheh, much as I hate them, I purchased Episode 1 on VHS, and then on DVD - figuring to collect the whole trilogy just to have 'em. I bought Clones on DVD because I had a genuine fondness for that movie (since evaporated). Sith ended all thought of collecting the prequels, or ever watching them again. God, do I HATE that film!


Needless to say, my prequel collection will remain permanently incomplete.



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#256784
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Darth Vader's Paternity Test Results
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When does Darth Vader realize Luke Skywalker is his son?

Is there some moment in The Empire Strikes Back when the lightbulb goes off over Darth's helmet and he has that "Ah-Ha!" moment?

Or is it offscreen between Star Wars and Empire, with the audience left to decide whether Darth sensed it via the Force, or figured it out once someone told him the DeathStar-destroying X-Wing pilot's last name was Skywalker?


If it's through some force-sensitivity, is there any explanation ever given for why Vader doesn't realize Leia's his daughter, even though they come into contact with each other several times? It might have made a difference when it came time to torture her for information. In fact, if Vader's so strong with the Force, I think he should have realized the connection during their first conversation ("You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor ...... oh, and my daughter!")



Is there something I'm missing from the movies about Darth Vader's faulty dad-dar? Is there anything in the EU that sheds light on this subject? Or do you have any personal, wild theories?



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#256620
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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I know a couple of young people whom I took to see the Special Edition of Star Wars in theaters in 1997, and I'm sure it instilled a greater appreciation in them. Only one of them had never seen the movie before.

I did not take any impressionable youngsters to see the Special Editions of the sequels. Hayden wasn't in Return of the Jedi at that time, but he is still not the thing that bugs me most. It's not the insertion of different cast members, but the deletion of music that bugged me most in '97 and bugs me most to this day. Lapti Nek went seemlessly with the action of the slave girl falling in the Rancor pit, not to mention being a far better song. And say what you will about its gayness, Yub Nub IS the finale music of the Star Wars trilogy. These changes are unforgiveable. I saw the Jedi Special Edition once in theaters and the newer S.E. once on DVD ... and that's where it will stand. I will never watch those versions again. Bah and Double Bah.



I don't agree, however, that the Special Editions divided the fan base. Some don't mind them, but I've yet to meet a single Star Wars fan who - like George - wants the originals to disappear from history and memory.


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#256591
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256591/action/topic#256591
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I don't intend to keep it going past next May, except in my heart. I will always love Star Wars, but the ride is over as far as I'm concerned.

I'll probably get a bit sentimental and excited at the occassion of the 30th anniversary. I'll watch the Trilogy, and I'll watch the Holiday Special for the first time! I may even go to Celebration.

But that will be the last huzzah. I have the trilogy on DVD, and I don't expect any better releases in the future. Any that happen would be gravy.


I had such a good time with Star Wars 1977 - 1983. Seeing each movie multiple times in theaters was great, collecting stuff was fun, playing with toys was a hoot. Best of all was lining up for the premiers on Hollywood Boulevard, especially for Return of the Jedi, which was a then-revolutionary 7 days. It was a week of fun that I will always remember fondly.

I had an incredible good time with Star Wars 1999 - 2003. Seeing each movie a few times in theaters was far less fun, and there was no collecting or playing with toys on my part. But lining up for the premiers on Hollywood Boulevard was outrageous fun that I will cherish for a lifetime. 6-week-long Star Was street festivals, and I made many good friends.


But there's no more movies ... to which I breathe a sigh of relief. TV shows, video games, continued EU books and crap - - those things mean nothing to me. But I have my memories, I have the enrichment of my life via all the fun, and I have lasting friendships that sprung from it all.

As time marches on, I'll probably pop Empire or Jedi into the player far less often (it's only about 3 times a decade as it is) ... but I'll continue to watch and enjoy Star Wars till the day I die ... maybe making it an annual event ... and I'll happily chat about Star Wars with anyone of similar interests.



After the 30th hoopla that I intend to make a final Star Wars fun revival of, I will probably put my fandom in a deep, personal compartment. It's very likely I'll stop posting here.


Star Wars was a great ride, but it's over. I'll always be thankful for the prequels (even though I think they suck as films) for the unexpected Star Wars fun revival that brought me such wonderful enjoyment and friendships. That was a bonus bit of Star Wars pleasure that a guy like me who came on board in '77 had no right to expect. I'm now perfectly content to let it all fade into the sunset.


But Star Wars, the original, will always have an honored place in my heart, just as it will always have an honored place in movie history. The time for any active fandom, however, is fast coming to an end.







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