Obi Jeewhyen

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Post: #233077
Topic: Luke VS. The Abominable Snow Man/Wampa in ESB - oddly enough, the wampa didn't hit him in the face
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233077/action/topic#233077
Time: 7-Aug-2006 5:15 PM

Uh-huh. Continuity error #4,376

Post: #233063
Topic: How the prequels should’ve played out:
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233063/action/topic#233063
Time: 7-Aug-2006 4:30 PM

Hehehe, Firefly is awesome.

And only ONE SEASON!! Ya know how when you like a show a lot and you go back and watch the first season and it's usually pathetic and weird and a mere shadow of the good thing it eventually became??

Well, that's what amazes me (and depresses me) about Firefly. An EXCELLENT first season ... and it freaks me out to think it may have been a mere shadow of what it might have eventually become.

(Le sigh)

Eh, but the movie's not bad. At least the TV show got an encore.

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Post: #233060
Topic: Quit Whining
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233060/action/topic#233060
Time: 7-Aug-2006 4:25 PM

Originally posted by: Mike O
On the Criterion Collection laserdisc.

Sorry, Mike O - but the Criterion Collection laserdisc is NOT the competely restored 1977 restoration it claims on its cover to be. In addition to including several shots that were only in the Special Edition, it is missing two very important scenes of Roy creating his model-train set mountain.

In the Criterion version, not to mention the Special Edition and the eventual Director's Cut "Collector's Edition," the audience doesn't see Roy creating a model train set mountain before they see him sculpt a mashed-potato mountain.

Anyone who saw the film in '77 recalls the joke being that Roy simply can't stop sculpting that mountain. In the revised versions, including the Criterion, the mashed potatoes is the first thing Roy is seen sculpting.

Heheh, like I said ... don't get me started.

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Post: #233057
Topic: How the prequels should’ve played out:
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233057/action/topic#233057
Time: 7-Aug-2006 4:14 PM

Hahahah, I always thought the short duel from the original Star Wars was not only the most realistic, but the most dramatic. (Ok, Ben's twirl was like WTF, but I love it).

But the Ep. 1 duel looks real cool, and I can't deny that. Oh, not realistic?!?! Not a standard that I hold anything in the prequels to.

There is no way to fix them (although I've run over many things in my mind). They must simply be obliterated ... and I have no problem considering them either non-existent or not having anything to do with the real Star Wars. Lucas made that easy with such non-continuity conundrums as the Jedi Robe problem that BadAss pointed out in the O.P., and the retardness of Luke being "hidden" on obvious Tatooine (also smartly pointed out by BadAss)

Poor Alec Guiness. Saddled with all the continuity errors of George's feeble mind. Bad enough that he should be made a liar in the space between StarWars being made and Empire written, with all he said about Luke's father and Darth Vader suddenly becoming untrue. Sir Alec gives a masterful performance in that scene where he presents Luke with the lightsaber - - not a hint of lying in it.

But then the prequels make him out to be a retard on top of a liar, when he hides out on the most obvious planet in the galaxy wearing his jedi uniform. Bah, and double bah.

The P.T. can only be fixed by destroying every last print, DVD, and negative. That's my definition of fixed, anyways.

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Post: #233053
Topic: September Release BestBuy Canada Exclusive...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233053/action/topic#233053
Time: 7-Aug-2006 3:52 PM

I wish there was a way to just buy the tin.

(and, no, I probably won't want to pay ebay prices for it)

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Post: #233049
Topic: POLL: Are you buying the Star Wars DVDs released on September 12, 2006?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233049/action/topic#233049
Time: 7-Aug-2006 3:50 PM

Eh, I will probably just buy Star Wars. For the other two, I'll either rely on my boots or pop in the laserdiscs.

The boots I have are just copied from the laserdiscs, and - fake crawl or no - when I have the urge to watch "Star Wars" I do NOT want to watch "Episode IV - A New Hope."

Post: #232377
Topic: The Academy Award winning editing of Episode IV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232377/action/topic#232377
Time: 4-Aug-2006 10:01 PM

Sometimes it is indeed very hard to separate out the editing skill from the quality of the material.

Star Wars, in particular, seems to have such good editing (which it genuinely does) because of its tight, quite linear, story construction. The sequels, being more all over the map by necessity, and often being episodic rather than linear ... suffer from seeming to be less well edited. But is it the editing or the story construction?

Individual sequences may be well edited, shot to shot, in any of the O.T. films. But there's also the matter of how a film is edited together as a whole ... and that's where intangibles like the story, script, principle photography, etc. get jumbled together with the editing to make it difficult to separate out the skills.

Post: #232374
Topic: News on the TV Series if Anyone Cares.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232374/action/topic#232374
Time: 4-Aug-2006 9:45 PM

I might watch one or two episodes. Eh, I never much cared for the Young Indy Chronicles, but I gave it a shot.

I dug Clone Wars ... but had no problem waiting till each "season" was on DVD. If this SWTV stuff survives long enough to make it to DVD, maybe I'll go that route again.

But as for excitement about the project. None. Yawn.

I credit the existence of the prequels for providing me with a whole lot of fun (the 6-week line-ups in Hollywood) and with a way in which I met some good friends. But the last time I actually enjoyed anything Star Wars was 23 years ago ... so I think I'm really over it.

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Post: #232342
Topic: Quit Whining
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232342/action/topic#232342
Time: 4-Aug-2006 7:39 PM

Spielberg is NOT a good example. Worse than George by any stretch.

Where's even the crappiest-looking release of Spielberg's 1977 masterpiece film? Huh?

Alright then.

(Don't get me started, grrrrrrr.)

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Post: #232337
Topic: Lawsuit on George Lucas?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232337/action/topic#232337
Time: 4-Aug-2006 7:19 PM

First off, if you haven't already ... it's beyond time to get used to a good many Star Wars fans making the larger body of Star Wars fans look bad. With no offense meant to anyone here ... there are a whole lot who are so geeky, so socially misfitting, and so ultra nerdish that it could potentially be embarrassing to be associated with them via the fandom in common. We must all learn to let only ourselves embarrass ourselves, and not be remotely tarred by what anyone else does vis-a-vis their Star Wars mania.

Practice laughing at your fandom, other fandom more radical than your own, and your place along the spectrum. Watch the Triumph the Insult Dog bit until you can laugh at yourself and Star Wars fandom in general. It's healthy.

Secondly, speaking as a legal professional, there is no case to be had against George Lucas for contradictory commercial speech. You can't even sue for false advertising, though you certainly have a Better Business Bureau claim. I suppose if a zillion of us buy the upcoming DVDs, we can each claim damages of $40 and seek to get certified as a class action.

But don't hold your breath.

Your best rebuke against LucasFilm's bad faith business practices is to withhold your money from it from now on.

I intend to lead by example.

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Post: #232074
Topic: Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232074/action/topic#232074
Time: 3-Aug-2006 9:33 PM

Originally posted by: Wesyeedi'm a sucker for buying his crappy episode 1 and 2, thankfully skipping 3) still gave him the money he's currently swimming in laughing at us.

Heheh, I justify all my other suckerness by finally putting a halt to my madness in refusing to buy Episode 3. One less Star Wars DVD on the shelf that I will never watch. Heheh. Too little, too late, I guess.

I don't wish death to Mr. Lucas .... but considering that chances of a decent OT home release will rise considerably PostGeorgeMortem .... I look forward to its natural occurrence with eagerness.

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Post: #232024
Topic: The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232024/action/topic#232024
Time: 3-Aug-2006 6:45 PM

Eh, a thing that bugged me about the Indy discs is you had to buy all of them (just like the last round of Star Wars OT).

I hated having to buy movies I don't like just to get a movie I adore. If there's one (and perhaps only one) thing the September SW DVDs have going for them is that I can buy which one(s) I want, and not any others.

That's pretty moot at this point, since I don't think I'll be buying any of them.

Post: #231945
Topic: The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231945/action/topic#231945
Time: 3-Aug-2006 3:04 PM

Heheh, even I gotta admit I was kinda pleased when they finally fixed Vader's white light saber blade, post-Obi wan duel, in the uber director's perfect final special edition of Star Wars.

But I still prefer any movie with warts and all, if that's the way it was in theaters. Yeah, the snake reflection removal in Indy bugs me .... especially since they left so many other visual errors untouched. (Just as it bugged me in '97 when they bothered to "fix" so much in Star Wars, but left that blatent white saber blade mistake).

If you're going to fix the errors, fix them all. I prefer original every time, but nothing bugs me quite like a selective, half-hearted effort to mend the ways of OOOPS that are endemic to all films.

The original crawl, though is a different animal. It's not simply a matter of whether a re-creation will be visually perfect. It's a matter, in large part, of the music match to John Williams' score. If they don't re-create that precisely, a big part of the emotional wallop of the opening crawl will remain lost. When it comes down to a choice between seeing the opening of Star Wars the way George Lucas conceived it and the way John Williams conceived it .... well, the latter version is infinitely better, imo.

Post: #231750
Topic: Quit Whining
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231750/action/topic#231750
Time: 2-Aug-2006 10:01 PM

"Special Editions" and just plain censorship may have been around forever, but it's much more prevalent now (the director's 'special editions,' not the censorship, heheh)

King Kong was censored. It's since been restored.

Fantasia was censored. I believe it's been fully restored ... I've head rumours of one very racially offensive scene still missing.

Other movies in more modern times have had 'special editions' - - but I'm not aware of the original versions of those films being hidden away.

There's something about 1977 sci-fi/fantasy films that breaks the mold. Both Star Wars and Close Encounters were subsequently changed, despite massive success in their original forms - - and the original versions have not been seen (legitimately) since. CE3K was vastly more mutilated than Star Wars, and the scenes still missing 30 years later are far more vital to the story of that film.

But it breaks my heart that Star Wars has never again been available in its original form ... a form that sparked a world-wide mania! The veracity of the opening crawl may seem a minor matter to some ... but it's not just the start of one of the most famous opening scenes in cinema, it's a strong and sentimental memory for me personally.

It's one thing to revise one's artistic work; quite another to attempt history revision and deny the existence of artistic work widely beloved. Perhaps movie censorship is not as much a relic of the past as I would have hoped.

Post: #231741
Topic: The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231741/action/topic#231741
Time: 2-Aug-2006 9:45 PM

Wow, a friend turned me onto this thread (and forum) when we were discussing the upcoming DVD release on another message board.

Needless to say, I am exhasperated and bummed. You may not (or perhaps may) believe how difficult it was, and for how many years I toiled, to convince people that I WAS THERE in '77, saw the movie a gazillion times, and KNEW for a FACT that the movie called "Star Wars" had neither an episode number or a subtitle.

It was not until Empire of Dreams came out that I was finally vindicated - even among many who think of themselves as die-hard Star Wars fans (my pals are the folks who line-up for the premiers on Hollywood Boulevard for weeks ... which I myself have been doing since ESB in 1980 - - though admittedly the Hollywood line-ups for the O.T. were on a much smaller scale and duration than the 6-week festivals for the prequels ... but they were still groundbreaking for their time - 24 hours for Empire and 7 days for Jedi ... ah, that seems so quaint now)

Anyways, as an old-school fan who's been chomping at the bit to see Star Wars restored to the way I (and the world) fell in love with it in 1977, the news that the upcoming DVD release has been falsely advertised is very sad. I found the evidence in this thread to be quite convincing that the crawl will most likely be a lame re-creation. In any event, I would be one of those who would recognize original '77 sound effects and such ... and so the 1993 audio mix would reek of false advertising to me anyways.

Bah!