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Post: #213570
Topic: Time to accept what we are given and be grateful?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213570/action/topic#213570
Time: 25-May-2006 6:34 PM

Best case: This release is a bit better than the Definitive Edition LD rips we have here. Therefore it will be "the best we can get" (until XO finishes up their cleanup)
Worse case: It will be a cheaply done LD rip. As said before, some of the worst DVDs around (especially back when DVD first came out) are LD rips. Most of the fan-done preservations will look/sound better.
As for being grateful, no. They could of done so much better, and are treating this like an afterthought. They chose the quick and easy path, and we all know where Yoda said that leads...

Post: #213565
Topic: The Reason the OOT was released
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213565/action/topic#213565
Time: 25-May-2006 6:25 PM

I don't buy the argument that Lucas is releasing the OOT to stop preservation projects or bootleggers. Its not legally correct. If Lucas really wanted to shut down the XO project or other preservation projects, he wouldn't need to release the OOT. Lucasfilm has the copyright on Star Wars, and can choose what media to release it on, or at all. If Lucas decided that he would just sit on Star Wars and never release it at all in any form to anyone, he is within his legal rights, and can still sue and shut down anyone else who releases it. Its my opinion that Lucas is releasing the OOT simply because there has been too much demand for it. Is he doing it justice? No way. But there has been unyeilding demand for the OOT. I doubt that Lucas really cares one way or another about the things we do here. This site isn't exactly hidden away. Lucasfilm has to know about us, but doesn't care.
The thing that scares me, though, is that people saying on here that they won't buy the official DVD's, but instead will get various copies here, might attract Lucasfilm lawyers. I for one will probably end up buying the OOT on DVD, even if I'm unhappy about it. Hopefully, someone on here will "fix" it, and make it anamorphic, and perhaps add in the alternate audio tracks as available.

Post: #213530
Topic: The Non-Biased PS3 Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213530/action/topic#213530
Time: 25-May-2006 4:47 PM

Marketing for HDTV makers and retailers are pushing HDTV hard. But if you look at the percentages of homes with HDTV in the US and the current market growth rate, you will see that adoption is going at a snails pace at best. It has been said that at current rates, it will take 20 to 30 years for over 60% of US households to have HDTV. They are simply too expenive for most people to own, and others don't think the difference is worth the cost. Color TV adoption in the 50's-60's was at a faster rate than HDTV. So the market may be going that way, but the rate so slow that it won't help bring HD-DVD/blu ray up with it.

Post: #213454
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213454/action/topic#213454
Time: 25-May-2006 2:42 PM

I've e-mailed a letter about the anamorphic video issue to that LFL publicity e-mail address, and got the same form response that was posted by Neil S. Bulk in the general star wars discussion forum. I suspect that you will get the same response. But I hope that enough bad publicitiy comes out of this that they will make some changes to this release.

Post: #213450
Topic: The Non-Biased PS3 Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213450/action/topic#213450
Time: 25-May-2006 2:37 PM

a few other differences between the switch from VHS to DVD and the DVD to HD-DVD/blu-ray.
1. VHS didn't have any special features, deleted scenes, trailers, etc for the most part. These are standard and common now. Filmmakers have started finishing scenes that before DVD would never have gotten filmed just to include them on the DVD. People love special features. HD-DVD/blu-ray and DVD both have them. So that won't be the motivator that it once was.

2. Draconian DRM on the HD formats. That is its own can of worms that I won't get into here.

Post: #213389
Topic: [<( The Star Wars TV Commercials Project )>] (* unfinished project * - a host of info)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213389/action/topic#213389
Time: 25-May-2006 11:54 AM

There are many more in recent years than in the classic era, but part of that is that there weren't that many Star Wars games back in the classic era. I found this site that has several available for download... Some I've already listed, but many more can be found here... http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_games_commercials.asp?SEARCH=Star+Wars
The dates aren't on the site, but I'm going by the release date of the games as listed on www.gamefaqs.com, so the dates could be off slightly.

Star Wars (NES) (1991)
Star Wars Episode III (Multisystem) (5 different spots) (2005)
Star Wars Episode III (XBox) (2005)
Star Wars Empire at War (PC) (2006)
Star Wars Battlefront II (Multisystem) (UK) (2005)
Lego Star Wars (3 spots) (2005)
Star Wars Galaxies (2 spots) (2005)
Star Wars Battlefront (3 spots) (2004)
Star Wars Rouge Squadron III:Rebel Strike (4 Spots)(GC) (2003)
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (XBox) (2003)
Star Wars Jedi Starfighter (PS2) (2002)
Star Wars Bounty Hunter (2 Spots) (2002)
Star Wars Episode I Racer (N64) (1999)
Star Wars Rouge Squadron II: Rouge Leader (GC) (2001)

I also have some scans of print ads for several Star Wars games, mostly from the Atari 2600/5200 era, if you are interested.

Post: #213277
Topic: [<( The Star Wars TV Commercials Project )>] (* unfinished project * - a host of info)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213277/action/topic#213277
Time: 25-May-2006 12:50 AM

These are the video game commercials that I can think of off the top of my head. I have them only as .avi's unfortunately.
1982 - Parker Brothers Frogger/Star Wars-Empire Strikes Back for the Atari 2600-UK
1983 - Parker Brothers Return of the Jedi: Death Star Battle video game

Unknown years:
Super Return of the Jedi for the Super Nintendo
Shadows of the Empire for the N64

Post: #213174
Topic: No More "Preservation Projects"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213174/action/topic#213174
Time: 24-May-2006 8:12 PM

They are on bittorrents as well to download. myspleen has the editdroid collection, and Dr. Gonzo is on Demonoid, I think. Or maybe it was someplace else. But you could do that, if you want.

Post: #213140
Topic: No More "Preservation Projects"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213140/action/topic#213140
Time: 24-May-2006 7:19 PM

Originally posted by: Scruffy
Is the LD of ST:TMP based on the extended VHS/TV cut? Because I, uh ... actually prefer that one to the theatrical or director's cut. It's all about Shatner and Nimoy adlibbing on the bridge and making sense of Roddenberry's boring, uninspired story.

There were several releases on LD of ST:TMP. Some were the original theatrial, and some were the extended.

Post: #213138
Topic: Help with a logic puzzle
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213138/action/topic#213138
Time: 24-May-2006 7:16 PM

This is similar to a problem that economics talks about in decision making and game theory. It is called the prisoner's dilemma. I'm doing this from memory, but I think it goes like this...

Two criminals are captured after robbing a bank. The prisoners have the following choices. If neither of them talk and refuse to cooperate with the police, they will only serve one year on another minor charge. If one of them talks, and the other refuses, the police will release the one who talks on time served. The one who refuses to talk will get 20 years in jail. If both of the talk, they will both serve 5 years. What should they do?

According to the theory, whey will both talk. Each prisioner will be only interested in minimizing their own time in jail. Since they don't know what the other prisoner will do, the most logical decision will be to talk so they will serve the lowest time.

Post: #212947
Topic: The Non-Biased PS3 Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212947/action/topic#212947
Time: 24-May-2006 9:30 AM

Don't think it will make much difference who supports what format. In the end, most people can't use the HD formats, and don't really care at this point. They are happy with regular DVD, and don't see a reason to switch, especially since they just got off VHS a few years ago. I see HD-DVD/blu-ray becoming this generations equivilant of the laserdisc. A high-end niche market.

Post: #212942
Topic: BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212942/action/topic#212942
Time: 24-May-2006 9:25 AM

Originally posted by: sean wookie

http://myspace-871.vo.llnwd.net/00732/17/81/732191871_l.jpg

Cutest girl in the world Savannah my ex-girlfriend.

Sorry to hear that she is your ex-girlfriend. It sounds like you didn't want to break up.

Post: #212748
Topic: The Official Lucasfilm Response
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212748/action/topic#212748
Time: 23-May-2006 9:01 PM

Well, thats it then. Its going to be a quick, no effort release. I still think that one of the main reasons they are doing this is that they have a warehouse full of 2004 DVDs that they can't sell. So this is another attempt to move inventory, with a crummy OOT DVD release as a gimmick. Its too bad, because they could of done made this an amazing release, and not a non-anamorphic, LD rip. Some of the worst DVD releases ever have been quickie LD rips.
I still think they have to have a restored film of the original, restored right before they started the '97 SE. I don't buy that the Definitive/Faces masters are the best OOT they have.
As others said, Lucasfilm just said "screw those who want the OOT". I'm waiting for the XO project or some of the others, that will probably be better quality than this release. Its a pity, but I guess I should of expected it.

Post: #212735
Topic: Will the OOT *even* be DVD9?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212735/action/topic#212735
Time: 23-May-2006 8:50 PM

Don't say things like that, Gaffertape. Remember Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone DVD? They advertised that the DVD's contained deleted scenes, then had them hidden away as easter eggs. Most people couldn't find them, and got mad, assuming the studio had lied and they weren't there. The studio ended up having to apologizing and publishing directions to find the deleted scenes. I really hope that Lucasfilm doesn't pull something like that.

Post: #212720
Topic: The Non-Biased PS3 Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212720/action/topic#212720
Time: 23-May-2006 8:28 PM

I think that a lot of people don't really understand the whole blu-ray/HD-DVD thing, and are simply waiting for the format war to be settled and a 'winner' to emerge. So I think that the fact that a PS3 has a blu-ray won't be much of a motivation. There will be too many people afraid that if they will get the 'wrong player'. So they will buy it for the game system, and if HD-DVD wins, PS3 is even in more trouble. I still say that they have to get the price down. Video game history is full of cases where the better technology system lost out because it was too much or best games were on another system. See Atari Lynx, Atari Jaguar, 3DO, Phillips CD-i, Colecovision, etc...

Post: #212604
Topic: Will the OOT *even* be DVD9?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212604/action/topic#212604
Time: 23-May-2006 2:08 PM

I'm thinking that it will be dual layer, but as said before, crammed with a bunch of stupid stuff, like game demos, silly film bits, etc. The best thing will be to hope that it won't be a "spite release" with a rigged transfer to make certain every matte line and other "dated special effects" stands out like a sore thumb.

Post: #212602
Topic: Mysterious Cities Of Gold - PAL Project. * Cancelled * (with lots of info)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212602/action/topic#212602
Time: 23-May-2006 2:02 PM

I'd love to have a copy of this too once its done. Will you be including the documentaries?

Post: #212601
Topic: Info & Offer: I have Star Wars SEs on Digi Betacam tape, you want my dvd tranfers?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212601/action/topic#212601
Time: 23-May-2006 2:00 PM

Might these be uploaded to Myspleen or some other Bittorrent site for those of us without newsgroup access?

Post: #211876
Topic: Vaguely Star Wars related...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211876/action/topic#211876
Time: 20-May-2006 9:36 PM

I'll have to look at the new system. White Wolf was my favorite RPG, but I haven't played it since they ended the old series(Vampire:The Masquerade and such) and restarted it with the newer games. Glad to see that they did make combat faster. I remember playing, and taking forever to finish off some combats.

Post: #211875
Topic: STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211875/action/topic#211875
Time: 20-May-2006 9:31 PM

I for one would love to have behind the magic. Someone made a DVD out of Making Magic, and this would be a good companion to that.

Post: #211874
Topic: Info Wanted: Legal implications of the OOT DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211874/action/topic#211874
Time: 20-May-2006 9:29 PM

Originally posted by: Karyudo
I don't think that's true. I think what has happened is that there are an awful lot of works that are basically worthless (commercially), and those original copyright holders end up selling for a song the rights to stick those films on DVD.

There may be some that are licenced out cheaply by the copyright holders, but there are also many where the copyrights have expired. An example is the Andy Griffith Show. There were a handful of episodes, 8 or so, that for some reason that Paramount messed up and forgot to renew the copyrights on them. So they are now public domain, and you will find them as bargin bin DVD's. If you look at them, several different companies will release discs of them, but they will always be the same few episodes. They will have the original theme song taken out because it is still under copyright, but the actual episode isn't. Even with the Andy Griffith Show now available as season boxsets, these discs haven't been stopped by Paramount because they simply can't. They don't have the copyright anymore.

Post: #211809
Topic: Vaguely Star Wars related...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211809/action/topic#211809
Time: 20-May-2006 3:39 PM

I've played White Wolf's system and think its great. The only problem is that the combat system for it is very slow. My personal suggestion would be to come up with a system that would speed up the combat. My friends and I came up with one that elimiated the dodge rolls and instead added it to difficulty of making a hit, with a conversion factor. We also modified the soak rolls, but is been a couple of years since I've played Vampire or Mage and can't really remember anymore exactly how we did it. But I would think that Star Wars would involve even more combat, and therefore combat times would increase dramatically. Just a idea.

My personal RPG favorite for Star Wars was the old D6 version.
But I'd love to see what you've done with Star Wars with the White Wolf system.

Post: #211788
Topic: 2006 OT Bonus DVD Material question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211788/action/topic#211788
Time: 20-May-2006 2:51 PM

That would be great, but it will never happen. The OOT is considered to be the "bonus material"

Post: #211760
Topic: The Non-Biased PS3 Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211760/action/topic#211760
Time: 20-May-2006 1:22 PM

The PS3 is too expensive all around. The system, games and everything else is just too much. You can't price systems that much above the competition and win. Anyone remember the 3DO? Neo-Geo? Both of these systems tried "premium pricing" and were siginifigantly more expensive than the competition at the time. In the end, they didn't sell because no one could afford them.

Post: #211757
Topic: Info Wanted: Legal implications of the OOT DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211757/action/topic#211757
Time: 20-May-2006 1:13 PM

Originally posted by: ronlaw
As in the case with the RIAA, if something happens you won't get to argue your case unless you have money.

A C&D threatening all kinds of terrible things will arrive.
Ignore that, a case gets filed and a letter arrives saying "pay us $5000 and we will drop the case".
If you want to stand on your principles, better have some tens of thousands set aside to fight the case.

I agree that they probably could have shut things down earlier, however, technically the OOT was not available commercially on DVD before now, so fans were distributing something that didn't commercially exist, so it couldn't be argued that sales were being lost.

This might just clarify the legal point.

Still, it probably is just paranoia.

Which leaves making money as the motive. Entirely believable I guess. Some marketers idea of "leveraging the brand", perhaps. I don't really believe George Lucas is money grubbing like many do, but Lucasfilm doubtless contains dozens of sales people whose job is simply to find out new ways to make money off Star Wars.

I agree that the C&D letters are scary, and the RIAA/MPAA have gotten pretty nasty with their lawsuits. But I still say that the argument that we are distributing something that isn't available on DVD isn't legally valid. If Lucas wanted to just sit on Star Wars and never release it in any form whatsoever, he is still within his rights as long as he still holds a valid copyright, and can still shut down any distribution.
Now Lucas may not have cared about distribution of OOT DVDs because he didn't have it on DVD, and might start going after these projects after the release of the OOT, but he didn't need to release it on DVD first just to shut down this site, XO project, or anything else. I'm guessing that Lucas hasn't felt that we were worth the effort up to now.