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#1324767
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

Regardless of your opinions on it, I definitely think now that the trilogy is over I feel like The Last Jedi will be seen as the most important movie in the trilogy. Maybe not now or in a year from now, but as time goes on I think people will appreciate that this movie had a lot more to say than either TFA or TROS. To me it felt like JJ wanted to honor Star Wars in a very superficial way with his films, whereas Rian showed his love for Star Wars by challenging AND reaffirming its central themes. I’m not going to argue about its execution, but this thread and the interesting conversations we have here prove to me that there is a lot more depth with this film in comparison to 7 or 9 worth discussing.

I have no doubt in my mind this is true. I believe I said as much when the film came out, years down the line this will be universally regarded as one of the very best SW films.

I don’t know about universal. For people who see movies as a vehicle for artistic expression and more thoughtful thematic material, sure. People for whom movies are nothing more than thrill-rides, the quality of which is judged by the number of 'slposions in it (there are a lot of people like this), probably not.

Whether or not it will be regarded as one of the very best SW films, it should be. At the very least as one of the most daring and interesting.

I will go further and give it an A+ for the best postmodernist Star Wars film and extra credit for its use of metanarrative.

The problem a lot of people have with it is that it shares almost nothing in common with the OT in terms of genre or tone.

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#1324667
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

I thought that Captain Phasma was a very underutilized villain, especially in The Last Jedi. She doesn’t really get to do much, gets unceremoniously thrown in a trash compactor off-screen in The Force Awakens, and loses to Finn in her only fight scene.

There were many things the writers could’ve done with her, like having her hunt down Finn and Rose on Canto Bight as they are looking for the code-breaker.

But since she’s Rule 63’d Boba Fett, it makes sense her bark is worse than her bite.

At least Boba was pretty cool in one of the movies he was in.

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#1324292
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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snooker said:

About the Dreadnought destruction:

In the moment it isn’t heroic. There’s a shot of Poe looking at Paige’s bomber falling into a fiery inferno and he does a sad face.

And then while everyone’s celebrating on the cruiser, Leia looks at the death toll and sighs.


The movie’s take on self sacrifice is: Useless self-sacrifice is bad. Paige didn’t need to die. If the battle had gone differently, she would have lived.

Her sacrifice is only useless until it is revealed that hyperspace tracking is a thing, making their destruction of the fleet-killer retroactively heroic and vinticating Poe’s actions. Kinda muddles the message there.

Holdo needed to destroy the Supremacy and only had one way to do it.

Actually she needed to destroy all of the Star Destroyers and had a one-in-a-million chance of doing it. It’s a good thing she lucked out, because if even a single Destroyer was left operational, hindsight would have made her death a ‘useless self sacrifice’. Kidna muddles the message there.

Finn’s self sacrifice wasn’t needed because it wouldn’t have changed anything.

I mean, it might have. He had better odds than Holdo, anyway. Kinda muddles the message there.

So in the first instance heroic sacrifice is bad (wasting life and equipment on bad odds), even when it is later revealed that this sacrifice saved everyone.
In the second, heroic sacrifice is good, even when it wastes life and equipment on even worse odds.
In the third, heroic sacrifice is again bad, and I don’t even need to know the odds because they are surely better than rolling a thousand natural 20’s on a total enemy kill.

The theme of TLJ is that noble sacrifice is bad when it isn’t worth the cost. Great. It’s just too bad that the text of the film contradicts and muddles that message at every turn.

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#1323997
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure (Released)
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RogueLeader said:

Regarding Han shooting the stormtrooper, are you just adding it back in as-is? I don’t think adding anything to it is really necessary, but I had some other thoughts of what could be implemented to it. I think I had suggested Han reacting to the lucky shot with surprised, “Huh”, but instead of that, you could add a sound of the stormtrooper’s blaster “charging”, or the stormtrooper could start saying, “Don’t move” or something along those lines, to imply Han heard the stormtrooper behind him and shot in the direction of the sound. Or have a shot buzz past Han. Anything to give Han an indication that a stormtrooper is behind him, since right now it seems like Han just “knew” a stormtrooper was there. It honestly doesn’t bother me but I could see how adding some kind of hint could improve the moment, maybe.

Good idea about the sound, his shot didn’t bother me but I can see such a change being the best of both worlds.

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#1323995
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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I wouldn’t say it’s completely irrelevant. Many people noticed that the Luke scene had to be re-shot for TLJ and the scene did look and feel quite different in many ways from that of TFA, that’s one of the reasons I repurposed the TFA scene as a vision/dream.

I will say that this particular point of editing is a non-issue though. There’s no reason that just because two completely different scenes are intercut means that they are taking place at the same time. It could be true, but it just as easily could be false.

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#1323482
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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It’s a catch-22

If you explicitly reference the horrors of Ben’s later actions it makes you wonder why he would exile himself rather than try to prevent it.

On the other hand…

If you don’t explicitly reference these events you might wonder what could possibly make him want to kill Leia’s son.

You could go with the implication that Luke is merely looking into Ben’s mind and doesn’t see anything of the future, but if this were the case Luke would surely see the light which defines Kylo’s struggle, just as he sensed the light within Vader.

I can’t see a way to navigate this act which remains legible with what we know of Luke from the OT.