NeverarGreat

idir_hh said:

I agree with Nev. The fundamental issue that underlines this film is that the treasure is found before the heroes even go on the treasure hunt, effectively killing all mystery and tension in the film. The reveal of the fleet rising from beneath the surface should have been saved for later on in the film, as well as Kylo finding Palpatine. In my view there needs to be a restructure of the film where palpatine’s broadcast initiates a race to Exogol between The First Order and the Resistance, with Kylo getting there first.

If this were to be implemented, this is the first restructure that came to mind:

1. Open on Mustafar fight and Kylo’s finding the wayfinder. As he touches it he is transported via vision to Exegol where Palpatine reveals the Sith fleet and all the rest. In this context the Sith fleet literally rising out of the ground could be dramatic flair on the part of Palpatine and not strictly what is happening. The vision ends and Kylo is back on Mustafar surrounded by dead cultists.

2. That’s it.

This turns Mustafar Minute into Mustafar/Exegol Vision and justifies its place in the film. It also establishes that the Wayfinders can facilitate vivid illusions as shown with Rey and Evil Rey.

Whether or not Kylo finds Exegol immediately or two minutes into the movie, the fact remains that this supposedly legendary and remote world is now ‘found’ almost immediately from the start. The anticipation in TROS is deflated before it can even be built.

This film is a lot like The Last Crusade. It’s a race against time where two ancient markers lead to a remote location where a man who has cheated death tempts our heroes with incredible power…except that in the case of TROS every beat that works in The Last Crusade fails to work here.

It would be as if Donovan found the first marker (which is complete and renders the other obsolete) and fought through to the Knight who promised him eternal life if he would only bring Dr Jones to him because they are related or some shit. Then Donovan spends the rest of the film trying to find Indiana Jones as Indiana hunts down the other fully intact marker. Indy is motivated, not by archaeology or adventure, but by a revelation that the Knight killed his father. Oh yes, his dad is dead in this version. So once he finds the second marker Donovan destroys it, but Indiana uses Donovan’s marker to get to the Knight himself. Then Donovan has a change of heart and follows Indiana to the Temple, where their life force is sucked out of them by the Knight and he electrocutes a fleet of Resistance ships with his power. Then Donovan throws Indy a second whip as he crumbles into dust and these whips (and the spirits of all previous archaeologists) take down the Knight.

Basically, the introduction of ‘Rey Palpatine’ not only ruins the previous two films, it ruins the potentially quite workable Last Crusade plot structure of this one.

DarthYcey said:

https://vimeo.com/419974604
fanedit

That’s really nice.

I wish there was a way to have the Han memory happen before the fight in some capacity, as if the fight is really about Ben working through his guilt. His dropping the saber at the end would then be the point of his turn. What if he turns and sees the image of Han, then he drops his saber and the scene continues. Then afterwards he has the Han memory scene.

Just some thoughts.

Galaxy Quest has aged like wine.

Spaceballs has aged like milk.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

That’s absolutely perfect.

#2 would work with some additional stabilization.

It looks like all three of them are just the Blu-rays run through a sharpening/upscaling process. ROTS really suffers from sharpening artifacts while AOTC looks better for the process.

I’ve taken a look at the 2011 blu-ray, Despecialized 20.1, 2.5 and 2.7, Team Blu77, Puggo Grande, SSE 1.6, and 4K77. In the Blu-ray, there is a green tint to Chewie’s nose which might have been a stylistic choice but the image is so dim that it’s not very noticeable. With the increased brightness in the 2.1 and 2.5 versions of Despecialized (which already had a strong green tint in many scenes), this green became much worse. The tint was finally reduced for for 2.7, but it only took the tint back down to something resembling the original 2011 color cast.

Here’s a comparison of all the relevant versions:

Blu-ray

2.1

2.7

Team Blu

SSE 1.6

4K77 1.0

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/99B91NNU

And here’s the Puggo Grande version for fun, note the lack of a green cast for this one:

So for most of the versions of this film, there is a noticeable green tint to this shot. However, most versions don’t turn his nose bright green and look more like a stylistic choice for the grading.

^What the Sith is happening there?

It doesn’t strike me as odd, the suns would be orbiting each other in order to make a variety of configurations over time.

I see. In that case I think the Solo reveal might just work!

I say go for the ending, there’s really only one way to see if it works 😉

Mustafar Minute could be prefaced with Kylo consulting Vader’s mask, which tells him where to locate the wayfinder. This would need some repurposed Vader audio, but I feel like that would be easier than fabricating a bunch of new shots.

As a bonus, if the Vader audio seems ‘off’ it could be foreshadowing of Palp’s reveal of being behind it all.

Lifeincontext said:

NeverarGreat said:

Lifeincontext said:

• Scene 1: Rey: Day in the Life (because the transition from stars is just so dang good)

Is this the transition you’re referring to? (Password: fanedit)

Overall, I like the idea behind this edit. The Luke and Rey story is the strongest completed aspect of this trilogy since Finn has been tragically dumped by the wayside, so focusing on that makes a lot of sense.

What would the crawl of such a film look like?

Yes! Very much so. It’s like…why wasn’t it that way to begin with?

So for right now, I’m thinking of making it more its own standalone thing, so it wouldn’t have the standard episode crawl. It may have something Solo or Blade Runner-esque. But since it’s (kind of?) part of the Skywalker Saga…I’m open to other opinions lol.

Also, you said overall. I’m curious to see what changes you think will really work and what things you might not agree with?

Well for the TFA section I don’t know how you would delay the Ben Solo reveal unless you heavily edited the interrogation like in DigMod’s edit. Personally I don’t think it quite works.

Also, Ben’s redemption comes pretty much out of nowhere in TROS so it would probably feel extra strange at the end of TLJ after he has doubled down on villainy. I would also like to include that scene in some capacity, but have no idea how it would work.

Lifeincontext said:

• Scene 1: Rey: Day in the Life (because the transition from stars is just so dang good)

Is this the transition you’re referring to? (Password: fanedit)

Overall, I like the idea behind this edit. The Luke and Rey story is the strongest completed aspect of this trilogy since Finn has been tragically dumped by the wayside, so focusing on that makes a lot of sense.

What would the crawl of such a film look like?

They have different costumes and hairstyles, so probably not.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s probably because they had some footage of takes of Leia handing and being handed the saber.

We’ve got a winner.

specialk2121 said:

NeverarGreat said:

idir_hh said:

Continuity error with Rey and the saber.
https://i.redd.it/0eju4uoy3jy41.jpg

This has ruined the movie for me.

Really? To me this is no different than Luke leaving the Death Star without his lightsaber and somehow magically having it on Endor to celebrate.

It was sarcasm.

idir_hh said:

Continuity error with Rey and the saber.
https://i.redd.it/0eju4uoy3jy41.jpg

This has ruined the movie for me.

omnimuffin said:

NeverarGreat said:

StarkillerAG said:

I can’t imagine having such a violent reaction to what’s basically the cinematic equivalent of a ride at Coney Island, but you do you I guess.

Perhaps I was being a wee bit hyperbolic just then.

But really, a random movie being bad is fine, and even expected. But most random movies also don’t promise to be the epic culmination of forty-three years of storytelling and mythic adventure for at least three generations. As a point of similarity, Season 8 of Game of Thrones managed to vaporize all the interest and goodwill built up over the previous seven seasons instantly, and TROS is GOT Season 8 on steroids.

Is it, though? There’s a good chunk of the population that very much enjoyed TROS. NOBODY actually enjoyed the back half of GOT Season 8.

I’ve seen people defend both, actually, but all of it that I’ve seen has been coming from a place of defensiveness. It’s all subjective of course and it doesn’t really have anything to do with fanediting so let’s try and circle back around to that 😉

StarkillerAG said:

I can’t imagine having such a violent reaction to what’s basically the cinematic equivalent of a ride at Coney Island, but you do you I guess.

Perhaps I was being a wee bit hyperbolic just then.

But really, a random movie being bad is fine, and even expected. But most random movies also don’t promise to be the epic culmination of forty-three years of storytelling and mythic adventure for at least three generations. As a point of similarity, Season 8 of Game of Thrones managed to vaporize all the interest and goodwill built up over the previous seven seasons instantly, and TROS is GOT Season 8 on steroids.

So I watched TROS again a couple of days ago and took some notes as to potential edits:

• Since Kylo is oddly communing with Vader’s mask after Palps tells him he’s been ‘every voice in his head’, it might work to place this scene right after the opening crawl. The mask could be Vader telling him exactly where to find the wayfinder on Mustafar. Cut to him slaughtering the Cultists.

• As a benefit to moving Kylo’s mask communing scene, Rey’s training montage could be uninterrupted by Kylo. Just show her vision, preferably cut like Dom’s proof of concept. Also, have Rey merely say ‘I’m starting to think it’s impossible’ and cut the ‘contact the spirits of the Jedi’ since that is implied.

• Cut line from Leia saying she always knew Palps was out there, especially in a Rey Nobody edit.

• Cut Rey’s line explaining her healing powers. Show, don’t tell.

• Obviously, Chewie’s survival reveal should be delayed or cut. I would argue for it being cut entirely since the music in that scene doesn’t work anyway.

• Cut Luke’s line ‘You’ll take both sabers’. We see them both later anyway, and if Leia’s becomes purple then it’s obvious.

• Shift the arrival of the Resistance until after Rey meets Palpatine.

I stopped taking notes after this point because I became violently bored and started flipping the bird at everything that was happening. I don’t think I’ll be watching this movie again in its entirety, since now even the humorously terrible things are no longer humorous to me.

I also realize after seeing it again that it’s highly unlikely any Palpatine as illusion plot would work since he is unmoored from the mechanical arm by the end.

I like D. 😉