NeverarGreat

Just watched that episode from Season 7. Top form.

Ed Slushie said:

NeverarGreat said:

Ed Slushie said:

Hal 9000 said:

Ed Slushie said:

Who was it that made an alternate opening shot for The Force Awakens where the “stars” turn out to be dust from Rey scavenging on the Star Destroyer? I have an edit idea that could really benefit from it, but I can’t find it anywhere.
I seem to remember it being on vimeo and having a really vague title like “fakeout” that made it hard to find by searching.

It happens so fast that I bet you could just cut from the opening crawl to the first motion frame of Rey pulling the thing away.
Dunno if he was the first, but I recall NeverArGreat doing that idea.

Just think of people seeing it opening night in IMAX 3D. Give people heart attacks, it would.

Found it, thanks!

If you want it in full quality, let me know and I will render it out!

Yeah, anything 1080p or higher would be much appreciated!

This is AVI 1080p, highest quality I have.

https://mega.nz/file/CY8mBTQS#zkKB_tGV7-w1vRTzGFcpHTb8m-UY_B_v5AVQUAjwrAI

It’s also been added on my TFA thread links. 😃

Ed Slushie said:

Hal 9000 said:

Ed Slushie said:

Who was it that made an alternate opening shot for The Force Awakens where the “stars” turn out to be dust from Rey scavenging on the Star Destroyer? I have an edit idea that could really benefit from it, but I can’t find it anywhere.
I seem to remember it being on vimeo and having a really vague title like “fakeout” that made it hard to find by searching.

It happens so fast that I bet you could just cut from the opening crawl to the first motion frame of Rey pulling the thing away.
Dunno if he was the first, but I recall NeverArGreat doing that idea.

Just think of people seeing it opening night in IMAX 3D. Give people heart attacks, it would.

Found it, thanks!

If you want it in full quality, let me know and I will render it out!

It’s so beautiful.

Rey learns that her family name is McSriff

^It’s you and me and the CDC!

Anakin Starkiller said:

Oh yeah, that’s by far the worst moment in the entire Saga.

What’s worse is when he lost it again. I hear it was quite a drag.

A classic.

And one from the aquarium, which the girlfriend insisted I get (The bottom says Roanoke Aquarium, not National).

Icecream2448 said:

Restructured
Legendary
Ascendant

tfa should get a proper title to match the last two…

TFA: Exalted
TFA: Mythic
TFA: Fabled

Similar to Hal’s:

TPM: A janitor presses a single easily accessible button in the generator room, which turns off the energy slicers. He walks down the hallway, scrubbing the floor with a bucket and a mop.

AOTC: A clone trooper approaches a small figure in the empty arena. “Hey kid, this is an active war zone. Come with me to the nearest…” The child turns and the trooper freezes, then speaks into his commlink. “Command, I have a five-year-old escapee from Kamino.” The child sighs. “Actually, we’re the same age.”

ROTS: Vader stares out at the Death Star construction. Finally he turns to an officer. “Gosh, I feel terrible for missing Padme’s funeral on Naboo. This must be how Clieg felt when my mother died. You know, I should really pay him a visit sometime. Life is so short, you never know when it will be too late. He and I actually have a lot in common now.” He looks down at his robot body. “On second thoughts, maybe I should just send him a card.”

ANH: Dodonna steps up after Luke and Han get their medals. “Okay, let’s pack this stuff up. The Empire is practically here and this ceremony ate into our time a bit more than I would like.”

ESB: Yoda and Obi’s ghost are sitting in his hut. “So how have you been, master?” Yoda putters. “Know, you do. Waiting, I was. Twenty years, I did. You?” Obi-wan nods. “Yeah, waiting.” Yoda sighs. “When did we give up on our dreams?”

ROTJ: The celebrations on Tatooine continue well into the night. A convoy of speeders filled with droids drives down main street waving CIS flags. “THE CONFEDERACY WILL RISE AGAIN!” A battle droid shouts, firing a blaster into the air. The cantina owner grimaces at the spectacle.

TFA: “Do you mind?” Luke asks. “I was just about to…” He gestures to the cliff. “Oh right.” Rey says, embarrassed and dropping the saber back to her side. “Maybe come back in a minute?” Rey nods, turning to go. “I’ll be back in a bit.” She looks around. “Looks like the sun’s coming out.”

TLJ: The Commission on Galactic Accountability denounces Hyperspace Ramming as a War Crime and labels the Resistance a Terrorist Organization.

TROS: The woman on Tatooine makes a mental note where Rey buried the lightsabers, returning later with a shovel.

That’s a clever idea!

My ideal version would be a 3 in 1, more heavy on cuts than most versions to focus on a single important event for each act - The Riddle Game, Bilbo vs Smaug, and the Arkenstone dilemma. Rivendell would be cut entirely, for example, in order to give more time to the elves which have a real effect on the plot.

StarkillerAG said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think 8 posited the best explanation we’re likely to get - her strength in the Force arose as a reaction to Kylo’s Dark Side. Sure, she said that something has ‘always been there’, but any bloodline explanation compounds the coincidence of living next to the Map to Luke and the Millennium Falcon and finding BB-8. Her being a true nobody was the only way that wasn’t entirely laughable on its face.

But coincidences like that have happened in Star Wars before. Remember when Darth Vader captured Darth Vader’s daughter, who sent Darth Vader’s robots on a mission to find Darth Vader’s master, and those robots ended up running into Darth Vader’s son along the way? All without anyone realizing those connections?

Star Wars thrives on coincidences, so I don’t think you should rag on the sequels for it.

The difference is that it’s not purely coincidence that Vader’s master was the person Leia was searching for to stop…Vader and the Empire. It also isn’t a stretch that Vader’s master wanted to be in close proximity to Vader’s son. These things are connected in a way that isn’t mere coincidence.

The daughter and droids coincidence was made by later films, which kinda proves my point.

I think 8 posited the best explanation we’re likely to get - her strength in the Force arose as a reaction to Kylo’s Dark Side. Sure, she said that something has ‘always been there’, but any bloodline explanation compounds the coincidence of living next to the Map to Luke and the Millennium Falcon and finding BB-8. Her being a true nobody was the only way that wasn’t entirely laughable on its face.

Just finished watching this, very nice indeed! I didn’t even notice most of the cuts and restructuring.

Obviously the Mudhorn is a sticking point, but I don’t see a good way out of that, but I had a couple of notes for the forest planet Sorgan in case you ever felt like revisiting this project:

• Move fighter attack on Mando to just before he goes to Sorgan

• Cut AT-ST plot point and extended battle, instead just show a brief battle on the raider building which ends with the explosive.

• Have Mando receive transmission telling of final mission before he lifts off from Sorgan to prevent the quick trip back. This may take some creative editing to make it seem like he’s still on the ground.

Anyway, great job all around!

I can’t wait until the Force Lightning color is fixed; it was the main reason I found this movie unwatchable.

Any chance I could get a link?

IlFanEditore said:

poppasketti said:

Darth Muffy said:

What I took out of RoS which I really liked the idea of was how it explained Palpatines “stike me down” lines both in RoS and return of the jedi. I like to think that meant that if Luke struck him down in return of the jedi with anger he would of possessed Luke the same way Rey would of been possessed if she stuck him down in RoS through the sith ritual.

This is actually something I don’t like about TRoS. The literal nature of a possible spirit transfer being the real motivation behind one of the crucial moments of the original trilogy cheapens the moral implications for me. In Return of the Jedi, I always thought Palpatine was saying that anger and hatred were corrupting and destructive forces, and that even if Palpatine were to die, he still would have won by corrupting Luke. I realize that doesn’t literally make a ton of sense given Palpatine’s ambition and ruling an empire, but it makes sense in the context of the morality tale that the original trilogy was. This added motivation means there’s a reason for Luke to resist temptation other than showing poise and maturity in the face of evil.

I’m totally with you.
To me Palpatine was always such a great character because he was a fanatic of the Dark Side. He was strong, yes, but he wanted an apprentice capable of surpassing him. Even in the prequels, when Anakin finds out that he’s Sidious, he smiles at Anakin becoming angry. Later, during the fight with Yoda, he’s excited because Anakin will become more powerful than him. He knows that he could be killed, and he knows that this act would strengthen the Dark Side.
Right now… he’s just a Dragon Ball villain. A Cell. Or a Majin Bu. I’ll steal your body so that I can live forever. (On the other hand we could say that in the prequels he’s obsessed with immortality, and that in ROTJ he clearly mistrusts Vader, and so he probably should have a contingency plan about that, being the mastermind that he is)

“They think inward, only about themselves.”

This idea that Sidious, the exemplar of Sith philosophy, would be so selfless that he would risk his life just to see another rise above him in power, feels totally at odds with his character. In a strange way, the Jedi seem more obsessed with selfishly gaining immortality than the Sith.

Maybe I’m just not seeing something (and it’s definitely a discussion that should happen in another thread) but the Sith stealing bodies to live forever is entirely on brand for me.

jarbear said:

poppasketti said:

Darth Muffy said:

What I took out of RoS which I really liked the idea of was how it explained Palpatines “stike me down” lines both in RoS and return of the jedi. I like to think that meant that if Luke struck him down in return of the jedi with anger he would of possessed Luke the same way Rey would of been possessed if she stuck him down in RoS through the sith ritual.

This is actually something I don’t like about TRoS. The literal nature of a possible spirit transfer being the real motivation behind one of the crucial moments of the original trilogy cheapens the moral implications for me. In Return of the Jedi, I always thought Palpatine was saying that anger and hatred were corrupting and destructive forces, and that even if Palpatine were to die, he still would have won by corrupting Luke. I realize that doesn’t literally make a ton of sense given Palpatine’s ambition and ruling an empire, but it makes sense in the context of the morality tale that the original trilogy was. This added motivation means there’s a reason for Luke to resist temptation other than showing poise and maturity in the face of evil.

My man.

Also was part of palpable plan: Luke tries to kill him, Vader would protect and start duel. If Vader wins, Luke threat done. If Luke won, he could manipulate him since he started the dark path. So simple.

I hate the sith transfer thing. No wonder Lucas didn’t go to the opening. Lol.

It seems pretty risky to bank on Vader protecting you when he was actively plotting your destruction in the previous film. It’s actually rather strange that Vader protects Palpatine. On the spectrum of ‘protect your master’ to ‘protect your son from falling to the Dark Side’ there seems to be a big grey area of ‘conflicted’ which would lead to inaction in that critical moment.

As for Luke’s additional motivation, he wouldn’t know of this Sith power anyway, so it doesn’t detract from the purity of his motivation in my book.

Something that I can never quite get over is how real Yoda is as a character. It’s totally believable for this puppet to be a wise Jedi Master, and it’s so good that you forget how damn impressive that is. The model work throughout the film is solid to excellent, and the Imperial Walkers continue to be frightening despite being stop-motion. Apart from Hoth, there are no real locations in this film but it never feels like the world is anything but boundlessly vast.

In addition, none of the characters feel shortchanged by this film. Everyone gets their moment to shine and the small moments between characters feel authentic in a way that hasn’t been achieved since.

Finally, this movie distills the message of Star Wars into its purest form. Yoda’s speech to Luke IS the gospel of the Force, and Luke’s coming of age story is as timeless as storytelling itself.

Star Wars might have been the best contained story of the series, but Empire feels more than any other film like you have stepped into an ancient world where things of myth and archetype are happening all around you.

StarkillerAG said:

Also, TFA isn’t a remake of ANH. I have no idea how that idea became so common. Besides a few surface-level callbacks, the movies are nothing alike. And I don’t think that not resolving character arcs in TFA should be considered a criticism, given that it was intended to be the first installment of a trilogy.

It’s definitely cut from the mold of ANH in terms of its basic plot, going so far as to recreate elements that actively work against the events suggested by ROTJ.

You’ve got the evil empire more powerful than the scrappy rebels even though these things should be reversed. We have another big planet-destroying superweapon which is destroyed by the end even though there’s no reason for such a threat to exist nor a reason for it to be destroyed.

And these ‘surface-level callbacks’ make up an astonishingly large part of the film, and again they are mostly inexplicable. The McGuffin is hidden in an easily-identifiable droid on a desert planet, except that this time there’s no excuse for the bad guys to not immediately find it. Han and Chewie are back to being smugglers who go to a cantina to get a ship except that this time they have a perfectly good one. The bad guys have a planet-destroying weapon that they want to use to terrorize the galaxy, except that this time their enemy is based on a single easily-identified planet so they have to blow it up then pretend that they haven’t already won.

I could keep naming examples, but the point is that in each case, the only real creativity on display is when the writers realized that there were problems with cannibalizing elements wholesale from another film and set out to make sense of them. So now the droid escapes capture because Kylo is a conflicted and unstable character, Han is going to the cantina because he doesn’t want to face his responsibilities, and the bad guys haven’t won because they are actually really scared of Luke getting over himself and training some more Jedi at some point. They’re not great explanations, but they do change the context of these moments somewhat.

Brewzter said:

NeverarGreat said:

The reason is that this wasn’t how Sith worked back then. This is perhaps the single good thing TROS did in making the Sith spirit canon, and I’d gladly take a retcon that improved the OT even if it makes the PT a little more silly.

I don’t think I understand this- by Sith spirit do you mean the idea that literally every spirit had transferred down the line and they were “all the Sith” inside Palpatine that he mentioned? I thought the general assumption was this wasn’t literal

DZ-330 said:

Hal 9000 said:

But then why does Palpatine seem to gloat as he describes Darth Plagueis not being able to save himself from being killed? Shouldn’t he just be Plagueis?

Maybe because Palps killed him in his sleep and the person being killed needs to consciously transfer their spirit to a new host?

Well that confuses it a bit more- if the original point is the case, would all the Sith have built up in Plagueis only for Palpatine to not take them?

I simply saw it as Palpatine saying all of the Sith had figuratively led up to him, but he was just trying to use the transfer-power with Luke and then Rey (or Kylo) to get into a younger, healthier body.

I assumed that Palps meant that the spirits of all the Sith literally resided within him, otherwise he would have some new power that previous Sith did not have when he tried to transfer his consciousness to a new body. It would be weird to say that he was the first Sith to figure this out when this theory of spirit succession fits so well into the otherwise bizarre practice of the Rule of Two.

The reason is that this wasn’t how Sith worked back then. This is perhaps the single good thing TROS did in making the Sith spirit canon, and I’d gladly take a retcon that improved the OT even if it makes the PT a little more silly.

I guess that would be my top pick as well, and makes sense since ANH was based off of a Tech print.

As for fan-grading, Team Blu’s GOUT upscale was the gold-standard for me until 4K77.

Yep.

Well, except that in the second draft he’s avoided joining the First Order due to Snoke and Kylo being so similar to the erratic Force user that lost himself the Empire. When he sees the potential for a Supreme Leader he can control, he makes his move.

A lot of the flat look has to do with the fact that Marquand came from a primarily television background, in which flat lighting was the norm.