NeverarGreat

ThisIsCreation said:

Airbrush Luke out of the Yavin celebration. Make it so the death star blows up and instantly kills luke too.

The sequel trilogy then becomes about finding the ghost of Luke and Rey’s unreasonable demand that he come out of ghost retirement to save the galaxy and then give up his ghost body to truly dissolve into the Force, before inexplicably returning for one scene.

JEDIT: I suddenly realize that this is actually a really interesting idea, or a version of it where Luke dies in the scene where he tries to kill Ben.

I’ve gone ahead and masked around Rey as she burns the TIE, so the cliffs and sky behind her should now be consistently dark. Hal, I’d recommend just applying the 20% overlay only to the quiet log time if that’s the problem area.

As far as more tweaks and changes, I’m honestly ready to let this one go, so if anyone wants to use the full renders to make further adjustments I will send the link. 😃

AntonioGK said:

I’ve read about the crackling saber VFX, but could someone please tell me more about it? Why and where is gonna be done?

It will be applied to Luke’s blue saber in every scene to imply that Rey’s repair wasn’t fully successful in fixing the broken crystal, and also to thematically illustrate her fear of an inner darkness in the film.

https://i.imgur.com/ADfYyRd.mp4

…which I guess means that the only time Anakin was without a master was the last few minutes of his life.

I feel like TLJ did the double agent angle even if it might have been unintentional on the director’s part. It’s a shame that TROS didn’t run with this idea that Kylo would attempt to find what he considers to be a balance between light and dark for his new Empire, essentially finishing what Anakin started and enacting some distorted version of Luke’s philosophy of balance and rejection of the past.

Guess I set myself up for that one.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

ThisIsCreation said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I agree as well, but that’s slightly out of my talents haha.

I tried your new line and it sounds completely natural now. But it does feel a little squished. Needs some space to breath.

id like to hear the newer version you made.

Also Nev, I’m not entirely sure why you feel they are no longer a master/apprentice. She is still being taught by Leia, and if he weren’t dead, he would still be her master.

I’m not saying they aren’t master/apprentice, just that their relationship doesn’t need to be stuck at that level.

It would be like Luke returning to Dagobah only for Yoda to say ‘The final exam I have for you Padawan Skywalker, multiple choice, it is’. No, he gets right to the final task.

Personally, I don’t care for talk of lessons this late in the story, since by this point they have surely moved past the teacher/student relationship.

I wonder…what single question could be posed by a time traveler to a denizen of the Star Wars galaxy to best ascertain the precise time period?

Excluding the obvious, like ‘what year is it?’

I hate that you forced me to read that aloud.

It’s true that films of the time were finished in 2K, but in order to make sure all the detail is gained from a film print, it is often scanned in 4K or higher. It’s basically like the detail of the 2K master is ‘scattered’ across the fine grain of the film, which is in danger of sometimes being lost in the grain structure unless it is scanned in sufficient detail to retrieve it. I hope that this isn’t more confusing, it’s just difficult to describe without viewing 2K vs 4K film scans.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

And finally, in regards to the new “night to day” Ahch-To scene… I know it’s pretty much locked in now. However, I was reminded of the TLJ announcement video that includes a shot of Skellig Michael that I had never seen before in the films. I thought it could be something to maybe look at and possibly replace the documentary footage I think the current scene has now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQQMLE4FuIQ

That’s actually a very nice idea! Putting in some distant fire, and…

https://mega.nz/file/jVlmmaSZ#K0wtsm6v1FZYQWXcH4_-Umu2VPo1lY-jxZiROznOtxk

You could kitbash the sound of the word if you had him saying ‘heard’, ‘bird’, ‘word’, etc.

Oh but that makes him fancy! 😉

I’m still of the opinion that all the fight needs is a matte painting extending their hallway into a more dramatic room with perhaps a pit they’re skirting. Also, cutting a few seconds out of the fight to make it seem more energetic.

I think it’s pretty clear that each film does damage to the simplicity and mysticism of the original (let’s say Cosmic) Force:

ANH: The Force is a mystical energy field which binds the galaxy together. It is not necessarily tied to bloodlines and in fact is heavily implied to be available to anyone: ‘May the Force be with you.’
ESB: The Dark Side is now called that by the villains unironically, is now tied purely to ‘negative’ emotions, and the Force is strongly implied to be tied to specific bloodlines.
ROTJ: The Force is almost certainly carried by bloodlines, the Dark Side is implied to be alluring to the point of being a brainwashing spell, and the most powerful ability in the galaxy is shooting lightning at someone.

TPM: The Force is scientifically detectable as a marker in a person’s blood.
AOTC: Now even shooting lightning at someone isn’t special. A master of the Force famed for his pacifist view of the Force needs a weapon.
ROTS: The most powerful Force user in the galaxy is reduced to using a weapon and spinning like a beyblade. Becoming a Force Ghost is now an unlockable Jedi perk.

TFA: Inherited Force powers are unambiguously confirmed, doubly so considering Rey’s retcon.
TLJ: The Force is reduced by the villain to a mathematical equation and this is never refuted, only confirmed.
TROS: The most powerful Force user in the galaxy can be defeated by two(2) lightsabers.

Conclusion: Blood is stronger than the Cosmic Force, and some things (lightsabers) are stronger than blood.

JackNapier said:

It is also the first Disney film to not require a man to save the day.

Alice in Wonderland, Mulan, Lilo & Stitch, Brave, and Frozen would all like a word.

As stupid as Maul’s return was, any character can be written to become more powerful over time, and at least with Maul he would have had a ready-made justification for existing and wanting the power of Palpatine which was denied him when he fell. That at least makes him a character, unlike Snoke.

CaptainFaraday said:

NeverarGreat said:

Continue the scene from TROS where Rey bemoans that the wayfinder got destroyed, where Luke reveals that he used his powers as a Force Ghost to shield Kylo’s wayfinder from harm when Rey set fire to his fighter. He explains that this is why he was in the right place at the right time to catch the saber she threw at him.

I absolutely love this one as a Bad Edit Idea because it’s the exact sort of thing I could see somebody very earnestly trying to implement unironically.

Someone’s gotta be obsessively pedantic, how do you think I come up with this stuff? 😉

I’ve done some more tweaks to the sequence as suggested, mostly small adjustments. The biggest thing is replacing the simple feather effect on Luke’s Ghost with a proper glow:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/KGG6LNNX

Continue the scene from TROS where Rey bemoans that the wayfinder got destroyed, where Luke reveals that he used his powers as a Force Ghost to shield Kylo’s wayfinder from harm when Rey set fire to his fighter. He explains that this is why he was in the right place at the right time to catch the saber she threw at him.

I made a mockup of something like that a few pages back, actually:

https://vimeo.com/519778585

Password: fanedit

Since then the discussion has turned in favor of having a pre-dawn to morning timeline, but it’s up to the community and Hal to decide what’s best for this scene. I don’t have an opinion either way but I suppose we’ll need to come down on one side or the other so I know whether to leave the hut scene dark or lighten it gradually.

jarbear said:

NeverarGreat said:

Not at all, I can certainly bring those levels down a bit 😃

Sleep and a life is overrated anyway! 😉

Hey, I never said I’d do it right away 😉

Not at all, I can certainly bring those levels down a bit 😃

sherlockpotter said:

NeverarGreat said:

Okay, here is the new attempt at implementing these critiques:

https://vimeo.com/520121712

Password: fanedit

The fireside chat is now even darker, with much more roto work.

The second half of the Hut scene is now lightened to merge more seamlessly with the next scene.

The sunrise scene has a grade which is now at 50% strength to keep a bit more of the original look.

YES! Dude, that looks amazing. God, seriously, wow.

Just two things kind of stand out to me, and maybe I’m wrong, but…

At the second establishing shot (the wide of the fire after Luke pops up), the green on the hill behind them might be a tad too bright? I think it would either been tinged orange from the firelight, or still kind of shadowy.

When Luke stands up, it looks like a feather mask? That’s what I was experimenting with too, until MR pointed out that it makes the background around Luke’s body light up too, rather than being a true “glow” in the immediate space. Clearly I’m not an expert on it though. MR linked a video that might explain it more. That’s the only shot I noticed where the glow seemed kind of off though.

Seriously, amazing work!

There are a lot of feather effects going on with Luke, yes. I will see about toning down the green there because you’re right, but it’s basically impossible to have a glowing Luke without seeing a brightened background behind him. I chalk it up to Ghost Magic 😃