NeverarGreat

DominicCobb said:

Alright, wanted to whip this up earlier but have been busy. Here’s my slight tweaks to the “pre-dawn Ahch-to” sequence. Keep in mind this is a very quick and dirty pass purely to have a visual reference for my thoughts here.

• Basically, to my eye the correction seems about 90% of the way there. The big sticking point for me is the dark grey look of the sky and the frame in general. Dark grey sky reads to me as either overcast or, unfortunately, artificially darkened - not dawn or pre-dawn. To me, before a sunrise, sky and the ambient light tends to be primarily blue (check the final scene of the film as an example). Especially in a movie that trends towards blue in its coloring, it feels very off to me that we’re not really seeing that here. So I wanted to show what things might look like if you introduced that hue.
• I think as well we’re giving the TIE fire too much credit for the ambient light in the first couple scenes, so I wanted to try to tone that down, and try to restrict it a bit (so, when Rey is sitting down talking to Luke, we mainly see it on the left side of her face, not the right where it wouldn’t reach).

https://vimeo.com/527188969
pw: fanedit

Again this is very very rough (yes the masking is slapdash. is it too blue? too dark? maybe!). I’ve only done the first couple scenes here to give an idea.

Personally, I don’t really have the time to do this work, as it’s very tricky to do all these masks on top of all these other masks that Nev did (you’ll notice the final shot in that clip is particularly tricky and I did a very quick and rough job of it). If someone else here thinks it’s a good idea it’s all yours. I do think if Nev was interested these changes might be easier implemented on his end (or if somehow he was willing to share project files or plugins containing the exact effects and parameters - presuming we’re on the same program). But of course no harm no foul if this doesn’t tickle the fancy, it’s just my two cents (and I’m sure Nev’s time is just as full as anyone else’s).

I think the first part of the scene with Rey and the TIE looks really good, and wouldn’t bat an eye if that was in the final edit (I assume you have the final .mov renders I made but if not I can PM you). The second part is very blue, but I do like the more directional fire effect. The original masking I did on some of those shots was quite rough from the beginning, but like you said I don’t feel that I have the time to spend days finessing the scene. I think the first part works great, the second though needs a more subtle blue to work.

Thanks, I’ll check those out.

Thanks everyone!

About replacing the ‘I’ll finish what he started’ - does Kylo ever say ‘he’ in TROS while masked? I just don’t think there’s a good version of that word in TFA since ‘he means nothing to me’ doesn’t work.

sherlockpotter said:

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

https://mega.nz/folder/GBljAIbZ#l-NefINPNwTPHqUJsNkp-A

There’s the baseline cleaned Mustafar shot plus one with rudimentary grain. If anyone has a better grain overlay, feel free to use that. 😃

Fantastic work. Smoke looks compressed, but I guess that’s what’ll happen with Youtube.

Apparently the Blu-Ray comes out on March 30th. Maybe Nev could apply the effects to the Blu-Ray source once that’s out?

If someone provided a blu-ray clip it would be a dead simple task of replacing the footage.

JadedSkywalker said:

Vader is too young but that is because of the prequel timeline. It was a mistake to place Revenge of the Sith a mere twenty years before Star Wars.

It would have worked if Anakin was in his twenties in episode I and by the end of the trilogy he was in his forties. But that would have made Padme older by extension.

Yep. Sure it would mess with the ‘young Jedi’ line, but that could be chalked up to him becoming a knight rapidly after beginning his training.

https://mega.nz/folder/GBljAIbZ#l-NefINPNwTPHqUJsNkp-A

There’s the baseline cleaned Mustafar shot plus one with rudimentary grain. If anyone has a better grain overlay, feel free to use that. 😃

I tried mightily to have him say ‘I will finish what he started’, but no rendition of ‘he’ I could find worked at all. But perhaps it’s not terrible to leave it as is.

Placing the scene here as a prayer to Snoke definitely gives it a different energy, which to me is more of a ‘fanatical minion’ than anything else. I think it works for Kylo’s role at the beginning of the movie, and allows for different interpretations later. For example, right now ‘I will finish what you started’ could actually be directed at either Snoke or Vader. The Vader meaning has been well discussed, but if he’s talking about Snoke, it could be evidence that even now he’s intending to overthrow him and rule the Empire he built.

SparkySywer said:

Not a fan of the SEs or this change, but the usual reason given in favor of it is that Vader’s hiding information from Palpatine. He doesn’t want Palpatine to know that he already knows Luke is his son.

It raises a few more questions, though. Like, why would Palpatine care if Vader already heard about it? Or, why is the movie bringing this up when it’s never really relevant again? Plus, I don’t think that’s actually what Lucas had in mind when making the change.

But that explanation isn’t so horrible, and while I much prefer the original, it’s good enough for me. What bothers me more about the scene is Palpatine’s RotS makeup.

I wouldn’t call SE fans insane, though.

That explanation doesn’t really fly for me, since it takes a spectacular amount of obtuseness for Vader to not at least suspect that the Force-sensitive teenager who blew up the Death Star named Skywalker is his kid. Acting dumb just makes him look like a buffoon in front of the Emperor. Besides, since Vader is openly calling this kid ‘Skywalker’ from the beginning in an obsessive hunt, there’s no reason that the Emperor wouldn’t know his reasons for searching. Hell, I’m sure the paperwork on the probe droid operation would have been labeled ‘The Search for Skywalker - Probable Child of the Famous Jedi of the Same Name’.

Also, the idea that Vader would have some ill-will towards Palpatine for calling Padme’s death a few hours early seems like a stretch. It’s technically true that Anakin and his anger killed her, even if the details aren’t exactly as it seemed in ROTS. The fact is that Padme eventually died at Anakin’s hand and a child exists, something that isn’t impossible so Vader’s astonishment, feigned or not, is silly.

^ I have no completed edits yet. All vaporware, totally worthless 😉

Speaking of, the dead speak! I have implemented the new solution to the Jakku restructure:

https://mega.nz/file/CBsx0ACR#6PW_UEn44p6EDu4d3GyRHsGPYuGo3JoPrzhm_zjEB98

This tones down the interrogation dramatically, just keeping some of Poe’s memories as audio. With Leia’s voice in the mix, it feels appropriate to have Kylo retreat from this encounter and push his responsibilities onto Hux, then have his confession scene. The voices are admittedly still a work in progress, but hopefully it conveys the general idea.

My original idea was to split the prayer between this scene in Act 1 and again in Act 2, but the scene’s so short that anything less than its total length was too short. Thus, I’m cutting the Act 2 scene in favor of this one. The change created an issue where Kylo’s parentage would be revealed way too early, so I decided to make it seem like Kylo was praying to the Supreme Leader instead of Vader’s helmet, with the helmet merely being a part of this ritual. Since Kylo’s Vader worship was abandoned pretty quickly in TLJ (and we don’t speak of TROS), this doesn’t feel like a real loss. Also, TLJ implied that Snoke was actually able to influence Ben’s mind across a galaxy and can do this to Rey as well, so a prayer to Snoke feels more natural than praying to the evil mask of a man Ben knows to be redeemed.

Let me know what you think!

Kylo: “You want to know the truth about your parents…or have you always known? Go ahead, say it.”

Rey: “They were Palpatines.”

Kylo: “You have no place in this…wait…”

Rey: “They loved me very much.”

Kylo: …

Rey: “My granddad survived somehow and is on a crane, waiting for me.”

Kylo: …

Rey: “Literally just hanging out.”

The first lines are also lighter in implementation - they have more treble whereas the lines in the movie have more bass.

I think the first one would work if Rey answered Leia with ‘no’ before continuing, to really sell that there is a conversation.

So the final scene will be Rey walking off into the sunset, her clothes in a neat pile on the ground?

Duracell would be proud.

Neat. It kinda looks like yellow instead of gold, though. I think with gold you’d have to add some more contrast to give it a ‘shiny’ look.

A Stormtrooper.

Also, since Artoo is short for R2-D2, Threepio is short for C-3PO, and Chewie is short for Chewbacca, what is Luke short for?

There is no ‘Even Worst Ideas Thread’.

CaptainFaraday said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Count me in on the people who think Blackened Mantle frickin’ owns.

I’d never heard of Blackened Mantle until this thread, and from looking it up, it’s the exact sort of thing that’s in my wheelhouse. Has anybody got a link for it? I couldn’t find anything.

Hmm, it used to be on Youtube but I see it’s gone now.

Okay guys, I did another version of the Porg shot.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/FEMMCNNU

The glitch is being fixed.

As for the sunrise, though I do like it, perhaps just 50% of the strength? It would also make it blend better with the sky when Rey retrieves the wayfinder.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s what I intend as the final look and ordering of the Ach-To sequence. I tried to add a very subtle purple to the sunrise. (Any footage before or after the sequence is not color corrected in this clip, nor is the saber flashback.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16kfx-ovM2HjYCqiexhK76qnAAIuq-guZ/view?usp=drivesdk

Looks great, I do like the pink sunrise and I’m happy to call this one done if everyone agrees 😃

All agreed.

It looks really good, I don’t think I’d notice the slowdown unless you told me.

Luke spins for freedom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQtHpq2bH1U

I mean that the ending of ESB is more pointedly existential than AOTC and it retains its focus on the core drama.

In ESB, Luke also has a loyalty to his friends which runs counter to his Jedi requirements which alone is capable of turning him from his path, except in ESB this problem is highlighted when he realizes that his entire reason for becoming a Jedi (his father) has been corrupted. It is so existential that Luke would rather die than choose. It doesn’t need to be a plot twist to serve this function, but it helps.

In AOTC, the big drama is how Anakin has a romantic interest which runs counter to everything the Jedi require him to be. However, the closest Anakin comes to breaking from the Jedi is after Padme falls from the ship, but he eventually relents. The struggle is never truly existential for Anakin, in that he must choose Padme’s life or the Jedi way - that happens in ROTS. While Luke throws himself to his (supposed) death to avoid this choice, for Anakin the choice is deferred and he ends up in a fight with someone he practically just met and who isn’t even directly involved in Anakin’s core drama. We could have just as easily followed the end of AOTC from Padme’s perspective trapped on that dune and nothing of the core drama would have been lost.