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^ I have no completed edits yet. All vaporware, totally worthless 😉

Speaking of, the dead speak! I have implemented the new solution to the Jakku restructure:

https://mega.nz/file/CBsx0ACR#6PW_UEn44p6EDu4d3GyRHsGPYuGo3JoPrzhm_zjEB98

This tones down the interrogation dramatically, just keeping some of Poe’s memories as audio. With Leia’s voice in the mix, it feels appropriate to have Kylo retreat from this encounter and push his responsibilities onto Hux, then have his confession scene. The voices are admittedly still a work in progress, but hopefully it conveys the general idea.

My original idea was to split the prayer between this scene in Act 1 and again in Act 2, but the scene’s so short that anything less than its total length was too short. Thus, I’m cutting the Act 2 scene in favor of this one. The change created an issue where Kylo’s parentage would be revealed way too early, so I decided to make it seem like Kylo was praying to the Supreme Leader instead of Vader’s helmet, with the helmet merely being a part of this ritual. Since Kylo’s Vader worship was abandoned pretty quickly in TLJ (and we don’t speak of TROS), this doesn’t feel like a real loss. Also, TLJ implied that Snoke was actually able to influence Ben’s mind across a galaxy and can do this to Rey as well, so a prayer to Snoke feels more natural than praying to the evil mask of a man Ben knows to be redeemed.

Let me know what you think!

Kylo: “You want to know the truth about your parents…or have you always known? Go ahead, say it.”

Rey: “They were Palpatines.”

Kylo: “You have no place in this…wait…”

Rey: “They loved me very much.”

Kylo: …

Rey: “My granddad survived somehow and is on a crane, waiting for me.”

Kylo: …

Rey: “Literally just hanging out.”

The first lines are also lighter in implementation - they have more treble whereas the lines in the movie have more bass.

I think the first one would work if Rey answered Leia with ‘no’ before continuing, to really sell that there is a conversation.

So the final scene will be Rey walking off into the sunset, her clothes in a neat pile on the ground?

Duracell would be proud.

Neat. It kinda looks like yellow instead of gold, though. I think with gold you’d have to add some more contrast to give it a ‘shiny’ look.

A Stormtrooper.

Also, since Artoo is short for R2-D2, Threepio is short for C-3PO, and Chewie is short for Chewbacca, what is Luke short for?

There is no ‘Even Worst Ideas Thread’.

CaptainFaraday said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Count me in on the people who think Blackened Mantle frickin’ owns.

I’d never heard of Blackened Mantle until this thread, and from looking it up, it’s the exact sort of thing that’s in my wheelhouse. Has anybody got a link for it? I couldn’t find anything.

Hmm, it used to be on Youtube but I see it’s gone now.

Okay guys, I did another version of the Porg shot.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/FEMMCNNU

The glitch is being fixed.

As for the sunrise, though I do like it, perhaps just 50% of the strength? It would also make it blend better with the sky when Rey retrieves the wayfinder.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s what I intend as the final look and ordering of the Ach-To sequence. I tried to add a very subtle purple to the sunrise. (Any footage before or after the sequence is not color corrected in this clip, nor is the saber flashback.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16kfx-ovM2HjYCqiexhK76qnAAIuq-guZ/view?usp=drivesdk

Looks great, I do like the pink sunrise and I’m happy to call this one done if everyone agrees 😃

All agreed.

It looks really good, I don’t think I’d notice the slowdown unless you told me.

Luke spins for freedom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQtHpq2bH1U

I mean that the ending of ESB is more pointedly existential than AOTC and it retains its focus on the core drama.

In ESB, Luke also has a loyalty to his friends which runs counter to his Jedi requirements which alone is capable of turning him from his path, except in ESB this problem is highlighted when he realizes that his entire reason for becoming a Jedi (his father) has been corrupted. It is so existential that Luke would rather die than choose. It doesn’t need to be a plot twist to serve this function, but it helps.

In AOTC, the big drama is how Anakin has a romantic interest which runs counter to everything the Jedi require him to be. However, the closest Anakin comes to breaking from the Jedi is after Padme falls from the ship, but he eventually relents. The struggle is never truly existential for Anakin, in that he must choose Padme’s life or the Jedi way - that happens in ROTS. While Luke throws himself to his (supposed) death to avoid this choice, for Anakin the choice is deferred and he ends up in a fight with someone he practically just met and who isn’t even directly involved in Anakin’s core drama. We could have just as easily followed the end of AOTC from Padme’s perspective trapped on that dune and nothing of the core drama would have been lost.

Eyepainter said:

Remove the “I am your father” scene from ESB in its entirety.

You know, that would actually make the ending of ESB like the ending of AOTC, and suddenly the problem with that film’s climactic encounter becomes a lot more clear.

Huh, I haven’t posted my height yet.

6’1.

I am officially the person who helps people reach things at the grocery store. Doubly so when I worked at a grocery store.

I agree. There could be an argument for any number of things keeping Luke on that island, but fear is on a very short list of wrong answers.

My own interpretation, based on Luke’s entire life, is that he is there because of pain.

Throughout the OT, Luke has faced fear in many forms. He didn’t let his fear of the Death Star stop him from going back and destroying it, nor did he let his fear of Vader stop him from facing this villain in Cloud City. He even accepted his fear of death when he went to the Emperor fully accepting his fate.

No, what Luke can’t bear is seeing his family dying, his friends in pain. This motivates him throughout the OT, so if Luke were to see his friends destroyed in Ben’s future, he would do almost anything to stop it. In this it makes sense for him to contemplate destroying his nephew, but it also makes sense for him to realize the paradox of his action. He cannot kill his nephew, but in doing so he dooms his friends.

He flees into exile not because he fears making this choice, or if he does the fear is fleeting, but rather because he will not choose, cannot choose. This is where I believe TLJ got Luke wrong as well. There is no shame in shrinking from an impossible choice. Ben cannot be turned, at least by Luke, and so there is no stopping the dark future that Luke sees. Any guilt he feels is misplaced, because Ben’s heart is already gone.

“I can’t get the vision out of my head…they’re my friends, I’ve got to help them!”

Except…this curse of vision will never end. Luke must cut himself off from the Force, it is the only way to stop the pain.

In the end, he is at peace because he accepts the paradox. Kylo is the relative he cannot redeem, Han and Leia are the friends and family he cannot save. But this is okay because he accepts what he cannot do and embraces what he can, though it lead to certain death.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Isn’t the canon answer that Luke’s green lightsaber ended up with the caretakers? Funny to think about.

Wait, really?

Heh, that’s stupid. But amusing.

That’s what I think would actually be powerful about burying the sabers, though. They are blue and purple, and in the next shot the saber activates with a flash of two colors - it seems odd that it would be anything but those colors if that message is to ‘read’, at least to me.

Also: YES I KNOW LUKE’S SABER IS GREEN AND I AGREE IT STANDS FOR HIS CHARACTER BUT IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE SENSE FOR THIS STUPID SCENE IN THIS STUPID MOVIE BECAUSE SHE ONLY HAS HIS BLUE ONE AND IT BREAKS EVERYTHING BUT WHATEVER I DON’T ACTUALLY CARE.

Ahem. Please continue 😃

Hal 9000 said:

Also, Rey’s saber lights are green and blue, referencing presumably Luke and Leia’s sabers but not that she used their crystals. Having green and purple would retain this nod for this edit. I’d prefer that over blue and purple.

Counterpoint - Rey never sees Luke’s green saber and unless she heard stories about it’s color somewhere she would only know his blue one, the one she is obsessed with ‘earning’ throughout the film.

Thanks for catching that, I just checked and one of the layers had its animation turned off.

I’ll upload a fix shortly.

This must be done.