I don't know, there's something rather attractive about it. It's got that massive green fading that a lot of prints suffer from, but that gives it a sense of antiquity. The skin tones are really nice, all things considered. I'd like to see this compared to the Senator frames, like the dinner scene or Obi-wan's "the Force will be with you" shot.
I'm happy with the settings at this point, so I'll be putting them here soon. Meantime, Here are some more shots that benefit substantially from the blue removal and the new settings:
CO said:
NeverarGreat said:
I'm dreading the appearance of the Millennium Falcon, Han Solo, and dozens of other universe-shrinking callbacks in the Sequels.
I agree that the ST could be a colossal blunder for the reasons you cited, but Lucas tried to cater to the OT fans with the PT too with many examples of universe-shrinking plot points:
-C3PO being built by Anakin-Jango Fett is the clone of all stormtroopers, and just happens to be Boba Fett's dad.
-C3PO living on Uncle Owens Farm during AOTC, yet Owen doesn't remember him 20 years later when he buys him?
-Chewbacca and his home planet just happen to show up in ROTS and they have good relations with Yoda.
Indeed, I'm not defending the prequels. It may be, however, that Disney doesn't fully appreciate how badly these plot points damaged the scope of Star Wars.
I've just added a link to the video on the first page. To get it to under 500 mb in good quality, I had to chop it up, but I tried to get a good cross section of scenes, such as the Binary Sunset, Burning Homestead, Lightsaber Duel, Trench Run, Medal Ceremony, etc. So go check it out and leave some feedback!
skyjedi2005 said:
To me the biggest divergence is that the new star wars are solely made for money by Disney studio and not the singular vision of one man.
The three new films are not Lucasfilms even if Disney can now slap that label on them because they purchased the trademark to it.
Lucas directed 4 out of the six original movies.
He is not writing or directing anything on these new movies nor will he have any say in their editing or be behind the B camera on set like on Jedi.
This is not the sequel trilogy Lucas would have given us in 2005 had he decided to continue on, nor is it any of the other attempts at having it made.
I have a suspicion that many many will look back on the Prequels with more forgiving eyes after the ST, since despite their catastrophic flaws, they are still the movies that Lucas wanted and made, not the movies that a company thought that the public would want. He took a stand and said something about corrupt political leaders and a hero with a tragic flaw, even if the movies had a botched execution.
I'm dreading the appearance of the Millennium Falcon, Han Solo, and dozens of other universe-shrinking callbacks in the Sequels. I am very worried that it will be like Star Trek 09 or Into Darkness, simply because Disney prefers the most marketable Star Wars characters and situations over something new. I just watched Star Trek 09 the other day, and realized near the end that the analytical part of my brain had atrophied from disuse while watching that highly polished entertainment product. It's fun and entertaining, but there's no substance or bold reinterpretation of the material. This is what worries me the most about the Star Wars sequels.
Sure, I was about to show today's progress. Unfortunately, Premiere Elements apparently can't do a screenshot of a layer with subtract as a blend mode, so I am taking screenshots right from my monitor. It will therefore not be exact.
You can really see in this last shot how the blue saturation has been taken way down. There's still blue there, but it's not "pooling" on the image like in the DVD. These images are the result of three layers. I attempted to pull up the violets while keeping the greens in the shadows, and the result is much closer to the Senator I think.
That's kind of what is happening, I think. However, the violets remain even after removing the oversaturated blues and reds, so they have high luminance already, just not quite enough to push them into the highlights. So I think that the violets can be fixed with added luminance, whereas the oversaturated reds, and especially the blues, have no corresponding luminance and shouldn't be there. If that makes any sense.
I was thinking about this problem last night, and this morning I realized that it was much simpler than I was making it out to be. It turns out that you could stack as many video layers as you want to get to the correct brightness and then put one more layer on top to remove the oversaturation in the blues and reds.
Do accomplish this, all you need to do is isolate the offending saturation by bringing the brightness of the image down to zero and optimizing the isolation with the gamma level. This essentially deletes everything in the image except for oversaturated colors, and from there you can use the channel mixer to delete some of the red or blue from the isolated colors to soften the effect. Then simply set the blending mode to subtract, and it eliminates the problem areas, and does it better than my previous convoluted method:
Here are some examples without comparison, to save space:
I haven't completely fixed the highlights yet, but it's getting there hopefully.
Thanks all!
I'm at a bit of an impasse right now, as the brightness boosting technique of using "screen" on several layers and this newest technique seem to be mutually exclusive. Meaning that I can remove the blue, but I can't fix the brightness without putting an unaltered video stream above the rest of the video streams, thus reintroducing the blue that I've worked so hard to remove. I'm sure there's an answer, other than rendering the video and then re-importing it to fix the brightness, which might be a mess.
Anyway, I'm glad people are interested in the work, and hopefully something will be useful for other projects at some point.
Onward!
I revisited this endeavor a few days ago, wondering if I could remove that terrible blue ring from around the Death Star explosion on the DVD version. I realize that this was "fixed" for the Blu-ray, but my thinking was that this blue ring was part of a systemic problem with the entire movie. Previous attempts to remove it with a global change had failed, or had pulled all blue from the movie. So I came up with a more surgical approach:
Starting over with an unaltered base movie layer, I pulled up the values of the green and red in the channel mixer, in order to blow out the luminance. The layer on top of that was set to saturation blending mode, meaning that the luminance and hue was carried over from the base layer, with the saturation of the blending layer. To this layer I brought the saturation down to zero, meaning that now I was left with an image that was black and white, but with no saturation and blown out luminance. Finally, a third and final layer was set to "Darker Color" blend mode and placed on top of this black and white image. Now because the blue and red tones are the result of oversaturation, bringing the saturation to zero in the second layer had the result of targeting the blown out tones and making them darker. When darker color was applied to the top layer, the oversaturated colors were erased, while keeping the overall color balance of the DVD:
There's still some blue remaining, but this is still much improved over the original. I checked some other scenes next, and found that R2 had become much less blue:
I thought that this couldn't be right until I went and checked it against the Mike Verta frame found elsewhere on this blog. Turns out that R2 is actually this shade of blue!
There are many improvements in many scenes, such as the hologram scenes:
There are some blown out reds in the film, such as when Leia is hiding from stormtroopers at the beginning, and these are brought under control as well with this change.
The one problem with this technique is that some of the highlights are messed up, but this technique is still a work in progress
SilverWook said:
The first part of that trailer gave me chills.
I hope that they don't bring back ghost characters like Yoda and Obi-wan, but for a different reason. Years from now, a whole lot of kids will have seen Episode 7 before any of the other movies, and to ruin Yoda and Obi-wan and spoil Anakin before they've seen the Originals is as bad as what the prequels did. There will come a time when nobody will have experienced Luke's revelations concerning Yoda and Vader as revelations, having been told this information in both the prequels and the sequels. And that does great damage to the Originals in my opinion.
Thanks you guys!
@ TK: Not a stupid question! I had the WookieGroomer version of the HD broadcast at one point, but a computer virus wiped it out. However, I took some screenshots of it, and comparing them to the DVD version it looks like the DVD version is brighter and has better skin tones, as well as less-crushed black levels. However, this could be from many things, such as the WookieGroomer compression or something, but if the HD broadcast was exactly the same as the DVD version except in higher quality, then perhaps it would make more sense to use it or the Blu-ray. However, the main reason that I used the DVD version was to cut down on rendering times.
@ frank678: I'll consider it, if nobody else wants to use these settings for a future release (Despecialized 2.6? Maybe?).
@ g-force: LOL. Wait, there are other color corrections of the 04 DVD out there other than Adywan's and Harmy's? Where have they been hiding?
Password starwars.
I often return to this photo of the Senator Technicolor print because the DVD differs so wildly:
How does a cup go from green to blue between versions of the film? I figure that the blue cast is probably not entirely accurate to the scene, so I'm fine with a neutral white, but all three of these screenshots are very different from each other, and the GOUT is different again. Anyway, any thoughts and suggestions are always welcome.
Settings (to whom it may concern):
Copy the Star Wars video twice, so that you have 3 layers total, a top, middle, and bottom layer.
Top Layer: Set opacity to screen, enable Shadow/Highlight. Set highlight amount to 100, and the first four options below it to 50, and clip the black at 32%. Set all other sliders to 0. Channel Mixer (top to bottom): 77,10,10,0,5,90,5,0,-30,20,120,0. Adjust: Color: Lightness -25, Saturation -25, Gamma 28, Lighting (top to bottom) 100, -100, 0.
Middle Layer: Set opacity to screen, enable Shadow/Highlight. Settings are same as top layer, except with no black clip. Channel Mixer: 95,65,0,0,10,60,43,0,0,0,140,0. Adjust: Color: Lightness -25, Saturation -25, Gamma 15.
Bottom Layer: Image Control: Saturation 90, Shadow/Highlight: Highlight amount 20, all other options set same as middle layer. Channel Mixer: 90,5,-10,0,-3,95,30,-10,-3,83,0
Whew! Enjoy the fruit of those convoluted settings!
At long last the testing is done, and the settings are applied and rendered. They are rather complicated, but they don't blow out the highlights like previous attempts (Correction on bottom):
I'm finally happy with how the Burning Homestead scene has turned out, and the rest of the film is actually brighter than previous attempts
In comparing these settings to the Team Blu screenshots, it's remarkable how close this one is:
Full res pics to be uploaded soon, as usual. I'll also post the settings, though it's getting increasingly unwieldy to apply and render them. The last render took exactly 18 hours, compared to 5 on my single layer corrections!
emanswfan said:
Another screenshot with nonanamorphic grain and proper filmic adjustments:
Why do I suddenly and for the first time believe that Coruscant is a real place?
Fang Zei said:
Neverar, that's actually reminiscent of the original plan for the ST circa 1980. Wasn't Luke gonna defeat the emperor and vader in VI and then go off and find the actual real big baddie in VII or am I remembering wrong?
I think that the "original" Lucas plan was to reveal the Emperor at the end of the third trilogy, Episode 9. The Sequel Trilogy would also focus on Luke's search for his twin. Of course, Episode 6 ruined this plot, but I think that the Emperor reveal could still work if the Episode 6 Emperor was a clone.
And for those who say this change would render most of Episode 6 pointless, I would say that Episode 6 would become much more like Episode 5 in tone. It allows for a triumphant victory if you wish to end the story at Episode 6, but when you see Episode 7, you are forced to reexamine one of the main weaknesses of Episode 6 - the frankly unbelievable defeat of the Empire - as the villainous masterstroke that it could potentially be.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Has anybody considered that JJ might lead off the new sequels with the idea that although the Death Star was destroyed, Vader and Palpatine killed and the Imperial fleet driven off... that the Empire is still fully in control under a new ruler?
Maybe things in the galaxy have got even worse. Maybe the defeat at Endor caused the Imperial governers to close ranks and go on a scorched earth rampage. Assasinating the governments of planets like Mon Calimari, Sullust and Corellia. Installing martial law accross the universe, perhaps the Rebellion died away and are only just starting to rebuild their forces.
Most seem to assume it's going to remnants or total peace. But the original Yub Nub ending left it very ambiguous. I'm not saying this is what I want to see but it's possible.
I just posted an idea similar to this on the scriptwriting section (Jedi Dawn). I would definitely like something like this to happen if they're going to be throwing the EU out the window. In Jedi Dawn, for instance, the opening crawl establishes that the "Emperor" on the 2nd Death Star was just a clone of the true Emperor, who now rules the galaxy with an iron fist.
The biggest problem with the new trilogy is that you have to introduce a new set of villains, while having a glut of old heroes. This solves both problems quite neatly.
I have a bit of a problem right now, hopefully someone can help...
In attempting to fix the blown out highlights in the Burning Homestead scene, I used Photoshop Elements to experiment with the histograms. By using the "darken highlights" tool in the highlights/shadows toolbox, I was able to obtain a very promising result with both underexposed and overexposed parts of the film.
Here's the problem. The shadows/highlights tool in Premiere Elements 11 doesn't work for me, because it seems to be unable to darken highlights. Does anyone know of a plugin for Premiere that will do this, or some sort of workaround?
JEDIT: Nevermind, it seems to work, and the results are quite good! The tool is not particularly intuitive though.
Some evidence for the "cloned Emperor, disreputable troops" idea:
The Emperor's "best" troops are babes in the woods, easily dispatched by teddy bears.
The inept Admiral Piett was stationed on the bridge of the Executor, Vader's flagship. Vader was instructed by the "Emperor" to return to the ship, but Luke's arrival on the planet disrupted this plan. The bridge shields of the Executor failed during the attack, to the seeming surprise of the officers onboard. This could have been a deliberate sabotage in order to ensure that Piett (and possibly Vader) were done away with.
The Imperial fleet is given direct orders to hold back and only keep the Rebels from escaping. After the destruction of the Death Star, they presumably retreat beyond sensor range to ambush the Rebels before they leave Endor.
Speaking of the Death Star, this time it has shafts running directly into the core, as if someone specifically wanted it to be destroyed in this way. The Death Star itself is honeycombed with cavities, saving on supplies while doing the bare minimum to make the station operational.
Vader only ever sees a hologram of the Emperor in Empire, and the hologram looks very different from the Emperor in Jedi. This hologram could show the true Emperor, with the clone decoy aging very quickly in the time since Empire so that he looked substantially different from the real Emperor.
The real Emperor, suspecting treachery from Vader, who failed to kill Luke after his attempt to turn him failed in Cloud City, chose to send a clone decoy to the Death Star to turn Luke to the Dark Side with the help of Vader. Whether or not Luke was turned to the Dark Side was irrelevant, as he planned for the destruction of the Death Star to make an example of the inept engineers who failed in designing the first Death Star. If against all odds the Death Star survived the Rebel attack, the confrontation between Luke and Vader and the "Emperor" would be instructive as a test of Vader's loyalty. If Luke was turned, he would have a new ally who could kill Vader, and if Vader turned traitor, father and son would not escape the Imperial fleet.
The "Emperor" brought dignitaries with him to the Death Star. These would be men whom he suspected of traitorous intent or ineptitude, and as the real Emperor was constantly in hiding for his continued safety, they would not recognize a decoy.
As to the specific events after Jedi, our heroes spend the night on Endor as the Rebel fleet protect the Ewoks from Death Star debris. Leia senses Luke is in turmoil and leaves Han Solo and the village early the next morning to find Luke and R2 miles away prepping the Imperial shuttle for liftoff. He says that he senses impending danger, though Leia states that there is no way that Imperial reinforcements could arrive so soon. Luke says that he was no match for the Emperor, and that his victory was actually a failure. He is going into exile to become a master, like Yoda.
It is then that the Imperial fleet attacks the planet, and the damaged Rebel fleet is no match for the Imperial forces. The capital ships are shot down, and the Ewok village is bombarded from space. Han Solo, Chewbacca, and Lando are killed in the bombardment, never having gotten to their ship, as is C-3PO (Han Solo never actually saw the Falcon again after his fateful statement before the battle). Luke, Leia, and R2 barely escape the destruction with their lives.
Leia is carrying the child of Han Solo, conceived in the first hours of Rebel Victory before his tragic death. Luke vows to rebuild the Jedi order and train Leia in the ways of the Force.
It is a time of galactic tyranny. The cunning Emperor, using a twisted clone decoy and his most disreputable troops, lured the Rebellion into a false victory at Endor where they were crushed in the grip of his Imperial starfleet.
The galaxy, losing all hope of rebellion, was quickly subdued by Imperial forces eager to avoid the wrath of the Emperor, and for thirty years the people of the galaxy were subjected to the horrors of despotism.
Now, beyond all hope, the Rebel hero Luke Skywalker has returned, and with him are the beginnings of a great order of Jedi Knights bringing the light of peace and justice to the darkening stars....
Alright, so this is not a script that I'm going to be writing, but just an idea that I've had for some time, and wanted to know what people thought of it. Would you like Disney to use an idea like this for Episode 7, if it turns out they won't be following the EU anyway?
I just listened to The Last Crusade soundtrack again today, and man, several parts sounded like they were right out of Empire.
I agree that Williams is best with themes. The Holy Grail theme is just so great, woven into the rest of the music, it gives the trilogy the perfect sendoff.
In trying to bring more brightness to the movie, this latest stab has three layers of video, two with the "screen" option enabled. This means that I can technically have a channel mixer on each one, and alter the highlight color and luminosity separately from the midtones and shadows. With so many settings at once it's kind of overwhelming, so I essentially left the colors the same, but I managed to pull the brightness of the movie up again without crushing the whites. Some shots are right at the far edge of the histogram, which is what we want:
Compare this to the GOUT, and this version may be even brighter:
In my humble opinion, I think the same shot in Harmy's Despecialized 2.1 could stand to use these settings, as it suffers from the magenta tones of the DVD/Blu-ray:
It's funny, but I don't have that movie right now, as it's the only one of mine being lent out to a friend. It's interesting what audiences latch on to, seeing as this is so similar in feel to the beginning of the Matrix, and came out a year before the Matrix.
The best part of the movie is how the detective keeps saying that our hero doesn't strike him as a murderer, when that's exactly how he strikes me.
Williarob said:
The second image in the album (this one), looks like it came from Team Negative1's LPP print, note the green stain and the frame edges.
Aye, it did. That album has last year's attempt at a correction, as well as that attempt to repair the Negative1 frame, among with some other miscellaneous items. The most recent album is titled "7-9-13 Star Wars Color Correction", that shows the final effort, and has almost a hundred comparison shots in it.