It would be cool to see a villain who was neither Sith nor Jedi, but who used the Force in its entirety. No focus on anger or fear, nor a demand that these emotions be removed. More a Sequel Trilogy idea, where Luke would have to face an opponent who defied simple classification.
Harmy said:
I don't know, looking at the scene now, it doesn't make much sense in the progression of the conversation - maybe I assumed that, exactly because I thought he couldn't be talking about Luke and it seemed to fit Anakin (even as described in the OT) and Yoda mentioned him before.
Huh, I never got that impression. When Yoda says he looked to the horizon, I pictured Yoda watching Luke's sunset gazing on the farm and his failure to recognize the significance of the droids.
And look over there; TV's Frink is waiting for us.
TMBTM said:
NeverarGreat said:
Has everyone forgotten that Yoda clearly stated in ROTJ that Luke was the last of the Jedi? I figured that if he was able to sense Luke on Tatooine and watch him, he would easily have been able to locate any other Jedi who managed to survive the purge. If another Jedi did survive, that makes two Jedi who lied to Luke's face.
Yoda did not sense Luke on Tatooine. He sent Luke on Tatooine.
And not to forget that he never felt that a Sith Lord was running the republic under his nose. That makes Yoda's power to "scan the galaxy" from Dagobah in search for other Jedi more than doubtful. (all this if you acknowledge the prequels existence, of course!)
This one a long time have I watched.
All his life has he looked away...
to the future, to the horizon.
Never his mind on where he was.
It seems like in Empire Yoda was watching him "a long time", which I assume means he's been keeping watch over Luke for years.
OT Yoda was a wise mentor, but he would be no good in a fight, and certainly would be no match for the Emperor. The villains in the OT either do not realize that Yoda exists, or underestimate his subtle powers (such as psychic vision) and his wisdom.
Prequel Yoda on the other hand was a hyperactive lightsaber wielding frog who was just as stupid as the other Jedi on the counsel and simply gave up after going up against the Emperor and matching him blow for blow. I don't think that you can argue that these two characters are really the same.
DuracellEnergizer said:
NeverarGreat said:
On one hand, it would be a breath of fresh air to dispense with the EU. On the other hand, it would be admitting to the fans that a vast swath of the Star Wars universe simply doesn't exist anymore. I find that to be a less than creative solution. In my opinion, the most important, most sacred duty of writers is to their created universes. If the creators and stewards of a fictional universe treat it with contempt, why should anyone else do otherwise?
Lucas has already shown contempt for his created universe, and has shot out the legs of both the OT and the EU in his pandering to Generation Stupid. If someone else decides to pick the gun up at this point and continue the target practice, who cares? The damage is done.
I don't think that Lucas has contempt for his universe. He's certainly not adept at reconciling the chapters of his changing story, but I honestly think that the prequels were the best that Lucas was able to do, given the twenty years he was out of practice and his misguided view of special effects.
I'll echo a previous point and say that a skilled writer can solve a million story problems by simply being careful about the time and place of the story. Framing is much of what makes a story work, especially in a universe with pre-established history and rules. If Han Solo is not the focus of these movies, there is no need to explain where Chewbacca has gone. If our heroes are in the middle of a new war from the outset, there will be little time to slow down and explain the events of the past thirty years, and a few words of exposition may be enough to get us up to speed. I don't want to hear about things that happened in the EU, as we're supposed to be focused on the present and the future. My point is that it may be easier than it seems to gloss over thirty years of history in a way that seems natural.
DuracellEnergizer said:
lineral storytelling.
Is that like literal plus linear storytelling?
If they really wanted to milk the Star Wars cash cow, they could film Episode 7 from like 3 or 4 different angles, and release each one of them as:
Episode 7: From A Certain Point of View
On one hand, it would be a breath of fresh air to dispense with the EU. On the other hand, it would be admitting to the fans that a vast swath of the Star Wars universe simply doesn't exist anymore. I find that to be a less than creative solution. In my opinion, the most important, most sacred duty of writers is to their created universes. If the creators and stewards of a fictional universe treat it with contempt, why should anyone else do otherwise?
Has everyone forgotten that Yoda clearly stated in ROTJ that Luke was the last of the Jedi? I figured that if he was able to sense Luke on Tatooine and watch him, he would easily have been able to locate any other Jedi who managed to survive the purge. If another Jedi did survive, that makes two Jedi who lied to Luke's face.
I got tickets for Gravity in 2D. The woman says: "It's in 2D. Is that Okay?"
YES! THAT'S ABSOLUTELY OK! SOME PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THE MOVIE IN 2D, AND WILL DRIVE TO A THEATER THAT IS FURTHER AWAY SO THAT THEY CAN SEE IT IN THAT FORMAT RATHER THAN PAY MORE FOR A BLURRY DARKENED IMAGE AND ANNOYING GLASSES!
"yep."
In a somewhat non-random tangent, I think that the Prequels would have been really cool if they had made Anakin more like one of the Mercury 7. Recruited from the best terrestrial pilots to test the smaller, faster "stunt fighters" of the Republic. He would have already been a celebrity by this time, and Obi-wan recruits him after the public loses interest in his piloting skills.
You know what's really weird? I began watching The Right Stuff for the first time last week, but then only got around to finishing it this Friday. Then I learned that Scott Carpenter had died on Thursday. So in essence, one of the seven men that I was watching a documentary about died in the time between starting and ending the movie.
These things don't just happen.
Or they do, I don't know.
Tobar said:
NeverarGreat said:
Star Wars: The Tournament of Death would be an awesome stand-alone movie.
Captured by Shark Men, not so much.
I love how the history of the Karkarodons ends with this:
Later, another Unidentified Karkarodon was shown at the Republic Judiciary Central Detention Center who provoked Rako Hardeen (Obi-Wan Kenobi in disguise) and got his hand stabbed with a fork.
Lolwut.
SilverWook said:
People keep forgetting the chapter titles of the very thing that inspired Lucas in the first place.
Star Wars: The Tournament of Death would be an awesome stand-alone movie.
Captured by Shark Men, not so much.
Episode VII: The New Republic
Not a particularly catchy title, but at least it lets us know what is in the movie, unlike "A New Dawn", and also incorporates the word "new" into the title as a reference to A New Hope.
JEDIT: Hoth-Nudist already got this one on page 5, so I believe this increases the likelihood that it will be a real title.
http://latino-review.com/2013/10/exclusive-working-titles-star-wars-episode-vii/
The short:
Rise of the Jedi and Return of the Sith were titles given by Lucas to Disney for consideration.
So IF Latino Review's story is truthful (big IF), then this is potentially very spoilerish of the ideas that George has "downloaded" to JJ Abrams, and does not give me much faith in where this series is headed. If Lucas really has so little inkling of the possibilities of this franchise that he can only think that bringing back the Sith after they were finally destroyed is a good idea, then JJ might as well give up right now. Either that or ignore Lucas's suggestions and do his own thing.
Moth3r said:
NeverarGreat said:
What really happened to those four imperials on the Falcon? ... It's questions like these that keep me up at night, people!
Well, you could worry about the fact that there two dead technicians and two dead, naked stormtroopers somewhere on the Millenium Falcon for half the movie.
Or you could just forget it and enjoy the movie.
I was kiiiddddinggggg!!!
It's just a 70s movie. Like Zardoz.
Sheesh.
Tyrphanax said:
If you like the kind of remixes/mashups that Pogo does, you will love this.
Definitely worth the listen.
Artoo! is the best in my opinion.
I've never seen Star Wars on the big screen, but after seeing Gravity in the theater I realize why Lucas said that Star Wars was meant to be seen on the big screen. The online trailer for Gravity communicates so little of what was captivating about the theatrical experience, so I envy those who saw Star Wars in 77 and were hooked from the opening shot. Hopefully JJ captures this visceral sense of spectacle for Episode 7.
Heilemann said:
I think the 'Jedi are male' idea, even if it was never spoken, is probably true for the OT. After all, they were modeled on samurai, a strictly male profession.
This is what I was getting at. Obviously women could fight in feudal Japan, it's just that they would never get the designation of Samurai regardless of how skillful they were. In the book, Lucas says that anyone could be strong in the Force if they worked at it, it's just that the Jedi have some peculiar rules.
valinkrai said:
I'm watching too many movies to effectively give reviews, but lately I've seen:
Kill Bill Volumes 1 & 2 (Love the soundtrack for them)
Sunset Blvd. (The narration was well used. Haven't seen any narration that was so effective yet on IMDB quest.)
12 Angry Men (My new favorite movie)
The Rescuers
City of God
Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind
Rear Window
My Neighbors Totorro
Well that's a strange coincidence, in the last year I think I've seen 6 of those movies for the first time. 12 Angry Men should be required viewing in school.
Something that bothered me in Jedi was when Obi-wan knew that Leia was Luke's sister, while apparently forgetting this fact in Empire. The book discusses the "other" on page 70. Kasdan suggests that Ben doesn't know about Luke's sister, but Lucas says that he does indeed, it's just that "He discounts women because he is a male chauvinist pig." I'm guessing that he is kind of joking, and he further explains this inconsistency by saying that Ben wasn't thinking. I explained this inconsistency by considering that the Jedi was a very patriarchal order, and the Jedi didn't consider that women could be Jedi (kind of like some other religious orders today). But looking at the prequels, and the fact that there are women who are Jedi, it seems completely absurd that Ben didn't set up any plan to train Leia, and didn't try to train Luke until he was nineteen.
Lucas's idea of the Jedi in ROTJ was much different than in the prequels, and I think much more interesting. I get the feeling that there was a warrior class and a priest or guru class, and only the warriors were called Jedi. These were doctrinally male, and to become Jedi they were trained by the gurus or priests in the ways of the Force, inheriting lightsabers from their fathers. The knowledge to construct lightsabers was lost long ago, so there's an ever dwindling number of them, and they are rare and highly prized possessions. I really wish Lucas had stuck with this idea through the prequels.
Not sure how to feel about Nellith's Obi-wan reference. Could be good, if Obi-wan picked it up from her.
The gunship is still attached to theirs, right?
This does raise some questions: What really happened to those four imperials on the Falcon? Did they just get dropped off on Yavin 4, or did Han forget that the bodies were stashed in the secret compartments, or did the imperials who placed the homing beacon on the ship take the bodies back? And also, how did a Wookie and an old man in a robe manage to sneak out of the Falcon while it was supposedly being watched by dozens of troops and cameras? It's questions like these that keep me up at night, people!
First three wishes are serious.
1. People would no longer forget their important decisions and experiences, ever.
2. Demand that people make increasing their awareness a lifelong habit. No more being content in ignorance.
3. I'd wish for everyone to become aware of the opportunities to become the best that they could be.
Second three wishes are partly serious.
4. I'd wish for everyone to gain a wonderful sense of humor.
5. I'd wish for aliens to appear on Earth in the form of Norse deities as a giant prank.
6. I'd wish for all of the governments in existence to be guarded a series of trials testing the character and intelligence of anyone applying for higher office in order to continually attract the most ethical and intelligent people to positions of power. I guess this is serious as well.