https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR9jpzABWo
And now I have Holiday Special flashbacks. Great.
twister111 said:
NeverarGreat said:The Machine (2013) appears to have scenes which were filmed at the same bunker location as Episode 7. I can't speak for the interiors however.*sudden influx of new rentings/downloads of "The Machine" (2013)*
Now there's no need for that, it's available as a play instantly on Netflix ;)
The Machine (2013) appears to have scenes which were filmed at the same bunker location as Episode 7. I can't speak for the interiors however.
unamochilla2 said:
NeverarGreat said:
Carthage said:
No diner scenes plz.
Dinner scenes plz.
Reason being that dinner scenes, such as the one from Star Wars, was such a normal occurrence in movies that the audience could easily believe in the reality of the Lars family and their homestead. Juxtaposed with the alien strangeness of the following binary sunset, a simple dinner scene does more to make Luke's character relatable to the audience than any other interaction in the trilogy.
I agree it worked well in the original film, but the diner and dinner scenes in AOTC felt off. Especially when Anakin was showing off to Padme. Even the deleted dinner with Padme's family didn't feel like it belonged in the Star Wars universe... at least to me. I guess it depends on how the dinner scene is presented.
Of course, I did not mean to imply that those scenes in the prequels had merit. What I meant to say was that even such a cliche movie situation can have merit if done intentionally to highlight another aspect of the film. The dinner scene in TPM never gave a clear contrast to the alien aspects of the film as there were two Jedi and an alien in the scene. It may have been more powerful if the business of the Jedi was completed and they left after the storm, then Anakin had dinner with his mother, allowing the surreal nature of the previous events to settle in and show that Shmi was just a normal mother trying to provide some constancy in the life of her gifted child. And I won't even mention the AOTC dinner scene.
doubleofive said:
According to the PT, no one know how to make themselves a Force Ghost until Qui-Gon figured it out after he died (?!), and he taught Yoda who taught Obi-Wan. Which, of course, begs the question on how Anakin himself does it.
Well if you buy the idea that a person can still learn new techniques after they die, then Anakin's appearance makes more sense. In fact, George may have created the character of Qui-gon purely to 'fix' this inconsistency.
I don't think it's necessary to explain away inconsistencies such as Force ghosts though, as attempts to do so usually just draw attention to the problems themselves. Nevertheless, my prequel-free theory is that Yoda (and perhaps the entire Jedi order 800 years ago) knew how to continue in the Force after death, but this mental training was lost and Yoda stopped training new apprentices centuries ago. Obi-wan was the first student in a long time to learn this technique from Yoda, and he actually taught Anakin the mental states necessary to accomplish this feat, though Anakin only recognizes this once he dies.
Carthage said:
No diner scenes plz.
Dinner scenes plz.
Reason being that dinner scenes, such as the one from Star Wars, was such a normal occurrence in movies that the audience could easily believe in the reality of the Lars family and their homestead. Juxtaposed with the alien strangeness of the following binary sunset, a simple dinner scene does more to make Luke's character relatable to the audience than any other interaction in the trilogy.
I was one of those who read many of the EU books up until the Yuzzhan Vong war, and the children of Leia had absolutely zero interest for me.
Characters should be written to serve a purpose in the story, and if the only distinguishing characteristic of the children is that their parent is Force Sensitive, well that's not good enough. It was good enough for the OT, but that's been done.
What hasn't been done is have non-Force sensitive children from Jedi parents. If the children of Leia were unable to become Jedi, that would be fertile ground for a new story that I could get behind, with deep implications as to the will and nature of the Force itself.
point5 said:
Tyrphanax said:
Seriously. We haven't even seen the first episode of this; we have no idea how dark it'll be. The Clone Wars was a pretty light series and even it had some very dark moments.
Humdingers has the right mindset here.
You may be right. I could be suffering from perception bias. I've been trying to think of any Disney animations and movies that have explored dark themes or had dark moments. I keep coming up blank. They do have a reputation for presenting the cute and fluffy in a mostly lighthearted, non-threatening, and non-scary way. They also have a habit of sanitizing out the violence. And if the characters break into song they totally lose me. I am sure there must be exceptions. Maybe others can enlighten me with some examples.
Watch the end of Black Hole (1979). In fact, quite a few Disney productions have rather dark endings, such as 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Though I agree with you that this show is too kiddie for my taste. There is a way to make a lighthearted adventure show that still allows the villain(s) to retain some dignity, and this aint it.
Harmy said:
Well, it seems like you may have had the same idea as I did a while ago - I thought about layering the theatrical BD over the Extended one for the Theatrical scenes and then setting the blending mode of the theatrical BD video to color but I did some tests and it wasn't quite so easy, because the cropping is very different, where the OT BD is more cropped on the right and less on the left than the EE BD (or the other way round, I don't temeber exactly), so you have to crop the EE footage quite a bit for this approach to work, plus the cropping difference isn't consistent troughout, so you'd have to readjust the overlay shot by shot and even the warping is slightly different, so this approach is problematic at best.
What if you just replaced as much EE as possible with the theatrical BD? Restoring the original color to the extended/deleted scenes would probably require good image registration software, but is there a quality difference between the two Blu-rays which would make this unfeasible?
I remember that they did this with the podracers in Episode 1, at least before they got torn up in a storm.
twister111 said:
I'd say yes and no. Yes in that it introduces an incredible piece of music and it was probably the most engaging part of the movie on the big screen. No in that it fails in fridge logic terms. After a while they're just fighting to fight. This is apparent when there's a freaking wall that puts a complete halt to the action and there's no attempt to negotiate things. Regardless of the choreography and whatnot story wise that's the perfect time for the Jedi to at least try to come to terms with Maul. Zero attempt, absolutely zero. Even if it's a long shot they could've at least tried but no.
TV's Frink said:
Interesting that not a single fanedit has attempted it (to my knowledge).Plenty of people on YT have edited it as a single fight though here's one.
I never really thought about the Jedi talking things through, but I don't think that the scene needed that. Lucas seems to work best when he focuses on the music and images. Perhaps in the hands of a good screenwriter some dialogue could have worked, but with Lucas at the helm, the less dialogue the better.
unamochilla2 said:
Seems like I've seen those outfits somewhere, too... including the ladies.
moviefreakedmind said:
TV's Frink said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
The really big BIG news that you missed, was that there is an alleged rumor from a unknown source, that the OUT might someday be released on blu ray, or not, although that hasn't been confirmed.
And that we needed two 40-page threads about it.
One for each rumor/rumour. There were two separate ones after all.
One which was far more interesting than the other. All the useful speculation occurs in the first twenty pages of the 4K Restoration thread.
...
Drumroll please...
I was never much a fan of either the fight or the music, since they both seemed to have little to do with the rest of the movie. And I'm usually a fan of John Williams music, but the song never grabbed me.
moviefreakedmind said:
I'm shocked he didn't add a bunch of ships flying around when Luke looks out into the sunset.
Maybe he did. That scene is now so dark that it's hard to tell!
WedgeCyan said:
-Ghost scene shows Qui-Gon putting his hands on Anakin's shoulders and smiling to Yoda and Obi-Wan
...which means that ghost Anakin is now Jake Lloyd.
Other changes:
-Deleted footage of Luke training with a lightsaber on Dagobah is included, as well as inserting a CG Yoda wielding his ROTS baby lightsaber.
-In order to make a more 'kid friendly' movie, the burnt corpses of Owen and Beru are now obscured by digital rocks, and a CG ronto now conceals the bloody severed arm in the cantina.
- The movie is color corrected again, this time turning each scene into a sea of teal and orange.
I was also looking forward to this, shame that it received so little attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSlsxKjVVFU
"IT'S NOT LITTLE! I've just got a big backyard."
lol
Go watch The Adventures of Robin Hood and then tell me that older films had less color.
SilverWook said:
I think CGI may have finally come of age. I got emotionally invested in a trigger happy raccoon and a talking tree this summer.
Have you seen Gravity? That was one where my brothers and I both left the theater wondering what was CGI and what was real sets. That's never happened to us before.
RicOlie_2 said:
I need to see Spaceballs again sometime....
Close your eyes and the feeling will pass.
It would be a shame if there isn't a ST '13, if only because the cast has the potential to be great. Give them something to work with, and I bet they could best most of the original timeline films.
Most of the color looks very good to me, however it seems like there is not much variation in the blues, and they've been pushed to an almost turquoise color. This is most apparent in the engine glows, but it can also be seen in R2's panels. There is usually some red in R2's panels, though in the original Star Wars the color can change somewhat based on the lighting. I don't recall them ever being quite that green though.
MaximRecoil said:
NeverarGreat said:
In many accounts of Near Death Experiences or OBEs, deceased loved ones are often seen as in the prime of their life, even if the OBE-er couldn't ever recall seeing them that way. So actually, having a young Anakin Skywalker ghost makes more sense than seeing the image of an old man who could have only appeared that way if he was not horribly mutilated decades ago. Of course, that would mean that the ghost of Obi-wan would need to be played by Ewan McGregor, and they would need to make a CGI version of Yoda of him in his vigorous tadpole years.
Those sort of anecdotes vary wildly, and of course there isn't any proof that the stories are true. However, mythology and religion are both well-documented with regard to the claims, and the hope to be "made whole" again in the afterlife is pretty much universal among people who believe in an afterlife.
In any event, the specific requirements of the movie need to be taken into account as well, i.e., the audience needs to recognize the ghostly characters, so it follows that the same actors who portrayed the characters in their natural life would portray them in their afterlife appearance.
Agree with all the above. My point was that I would find younger ghosted forms reasonable in theory, but I certainly wouldn't want it to be in the movie for the reasons you say. And obviously because the originals shouldn't be changed.
