NeverarGreat

point5 said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Agreed. Please put large spoiler tags on each of your posts, the two of you...

You must be kidding right? These are not spoilers. They are part of a discussion about what we do not want to see in Episode 7.  They can only be spoilers if they ARE actually in Episode 7. Do you have a crystal ball?

 /Film, which has previously reported on almost every other leak of Episode 7 material, decided not to report this particular potential spoiler because it was so huge. If on the off chance it is in the movie, knowing it would be like spoiling 'I am your father'. For the record, I don't think this has much chance of being real, but it's the principle of the matter.

Potential spoilers should remain in the appropriate thread...

I know updates will happen when they happen, but just wanted to say that I'm looking forward to seeing what this print looks like!

darklordoftech said:

Pessimistic philosophy (such as "there will always be evil"). Star Wars is supposed to cheer us up, not depress us.

 I really hope that the nature of evil in the Star Wars universe evolves. It has a more complex vision of good versus evil than it is often given credit for, and I hope that JJ and company don't think that simply giving us another cyborg wielding a red lightsaber will be acceptable in this regard.

One of the most interesting things about GL's sequel outline is the idea that they will be more surreal and spiritual in nature. If nothing else, Disney should take this aspect of GL's ideas into account.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/10/star-wars-conspiracy-theory-boba-fett-owen-beru-lars

This is somewhat interesting, but I don't like that it relies on the Special Edition of ANH to make it plausible.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Assuming the "Dark Luke" rumour is true, it might not be the real Luke; it could be a shape-changer who's assumed his form.

 Or Luke could be possessed by the Force ghost of Palpatine, though that doesn't explain why he would be holding Vader's helmet reverently.

If they try to tie this strongly to Star Wars Rebels, we could be seeing a shapeshifter who was one of the inquisitors.

The automata of the Star Wars galaxy are sick of hearing you defend 'percussive maintenance' as a viable alternative to mechanics. It's droid abuse!

It was my impression that the Falcon is always on the verge of breakdown. In fact one of my favorite moments is when it fails to start and Han hits a spot beside the door to start it. There is a faded place in that area of the door, indicating that he had to 'persuade' the Falcon to start regularly.

Oh come on, this thread's not even trying anymore!

Givin' em what they want. And it's working.

I hope to see stormtroopers with effective chrome armor that actually deflects glancing blaster bolts.

DuracellEnergizer said:

As bad as the whole "Leia is Luke's sister" retcon is, I feel that re-retconning (Or should that be de-retconning?) her back into a character who isn't related to Luke would be worse. Besides, what would be the point? To reignite the Luke/Leia/Han love triangle? Han won Leia at the end of ROTJ -- why upset that relationship, especially at the ages they are at now?

The damage has been done; just let the wound heal and move on.

Yeah, the only reason I can see them doing this now would be to make the Luke/Leia makeout session more PC. I still hold that Leia as Luke's sister was the worst mistake Lucas ever made with the OT.

Wait a minute, does Ben ever know who Leia even is in the OT version of events? It is assumed that he knew who she was from the hologram, but he may not have had any communication at all with the outside world in 19 years, and may never have learned that Leia was the princess in the hologram. He never actually says that Leia is Luke's sister, only that Luke's 'insight' serves him well. He could very well be in the dark about this 'other', and seeing that Luke has some idea about who it could be, he thinks that the galaxy's best bet is for Luke to trust his instincts once again. So it could very well be that Leia is in no way related to Luke, and that the 'other' is still at large. This also raises interesting questions about whether Ben is actually a presence in the galaxy or simply a presence in Luke's head.

I highly doubt that Episode 7 will go this route however.

hairy_hen said:

TMBTM said:

Best story to me would be if Leia is married to another man at the beginning of episode 7 but still have to ask Han Solo's help somehow. Maybe they even did not see each other for a long time. That way you can still keep a certain romantic/nostalgic tension between the two characters and write some entertaining dialogue.

Maybe Han Solo could even have to deal with Leia's kids (with that other man). You know: he does not like them at first, but they learn to know each others during the movie, etc... (I know it sounds a bit like Indy 4...even if in that movie Mutt really was Indy's son) Could be a bit tongue in cheek, but could work, if done well. And would be more interesting than if they were his own kids, with children/parents usual problems, blah blah.

 That is the worst idea ever.

http://youtu.be/d5TiaQeuNO0?t=55s

So I take it that Jacen, Jaina, and Mara should not be in the newer films.

Sevb32 said:

Scroll down and enjoy. http://www.20minutos.es/fotos/artes/el-taller-secreto-de-star-wars-al-descubierto-10808/

Interesting that there seem to be roots growing around the concrete walls of the bunkers, perhaps there will be trees added in post. Endor as a location may not be too far off the mark. Hope not though.

SilverWook said:

NeverarGreat said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR9jpzABWo

And now I have Holiday Special flashbacks. Great.

 Just because there are some Wookiees? Wake me when Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman show up in the cantina scene. ;)

 The whole thing gave me Life Day vibes, and that aint cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR9jpzABWo

And now I have Holiday Special flashbacks. Great.

twister111 said:

NeverarGreat said:The Machine (2013) appears to have scenes which were filmed at the same bunker location as Episode 7. I can't speak for the interiors however.

*sudden influx of new rentings/downloads of "The Machine" (2013)*

 Now there's no need for that, it's available as a play instantly on Netflix ;)

The Machine (2013) appears to have scenes which were filmed at the same bunker location as Episode 7. I can't speak for the interiors however.

unamochilla2 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Carthage said:

No diner scenes plz.

Dinner scenes plz.

Reason being that dinner scenes, such as the one from Star Wars, was such a normal occurrence in movies that the audience could easily believe in the reality of the Lars family and their homestead. Juxtaposed with the alien strangeness of the following binary sunset, a simple dinner scene does more to make Luke's character relatable to the audience than any other interaction in the trilogy.

 I agree it worked well in the original film, but the diner and dinner scenes in AOTC felt off.  Especially when Anakin was showing off to Padme.  Even the deleted dinner with Padme's family didn't feel like it belonged in the Star Wars universe... at least to me.  I guess it depends on how the dinner scene is presented.

 Of course, I did not mean to imply that those scenes in the prequels had merit. What I meant to say was that even such a cliche movie situation can have merit if done intentionally to highlight another aspect of the film. The dinner scene in TPM never gave a clear contrast to the alien aspects of the film as there were two Jedi and an alien in the scene. It may have been more powerful if the business of the Jedi was completed and they left after the storm, then Anakin had dinner with his mother, allowing the surreal nature of the previous events to settle in and show that Shmi was just a normal mother trying to provide some constancy in the life of her gifted child. And I won't even mention the AOTC dinner scene.

doubleofive said:

According to the PT, no one know how to make themselves a Force Ghost until Qui-Gon figured it out after he died (?!), and he taught Yoda who taught Obi-Wan. Which, of course, begs the question on how Anakin himself does it.

Well if you buy the idea that a person can still learn new techniques after they die, then Anakin's appearance makes more sense. In fact, George may have created the character of Qui-gon purely to 'fix' this inconsistency.

I don't think it's necessary to explain away inconsistencies such as Force ghosts though, as attempts to do so usually just draw attention to the problems themselves. Nevertheless, my prequel-free theory is that Yoda (and perhaps the entire Jedi order 800 years ago) knew how to continue in the Force after death, but this mental training was lost and Yoda stopped training new apprentices centuries ago. Obi-wan was the first student in a long time to learn this technique from Yoda, and he actually taught Anakin the mental states necessary to accomplish this feat, though Anakin only recognizes this once he dies.

Carthage said:

No diner scenes plz.

Dinner scenes plz.

Reason being that dinner scenes, such as the one from Star Wars, was such a normal occurrence in movies that the audience could easily believe in the reality of the Lars family and their homestead. Juxtaposed with the alien strangeness of the following binary sunset, a simple dinner scene does more to make Luke's character relatable to the audience than any other interaction in the trilogy.

I was one of those who read many of the EU books up until the Yuzzhan Vong war, and the children of Leia had absolutely zero interest for me.

Characters should be written to serve a purpose in the story, and if the only distinguishing characteristic of the children is that their parent is Force Sensitive, well that's not good enough. It was good enough for the OT, but that's been done.

What hasn't been done is have non-Force sensitive children from Jedi parents. If the children of Leia were unable to become Jedi, that would be fertile ground for a new story that I could get behind, with deep implications as to the will and nature of the Force itself.

point5 said:

Tyrphanax said:

Seriously. We haven't even seen the first episode of this; we have no idea how dark it'll be. The Clone Wars was a pretty light series and even it had some very dark moments.

Humdingers has the right mindset here.

 You may be right. I could be suffering from perception bias. I've been trying to think of any Disney animations and movies that have explored dark themes or had dark moments. I keep coming up blank. They do have a reputation for presenting the cute and fluffy in a mostly lighthearted, non-threatening, and non-scary way. They also have a habit of sanitizing out the violence. And if the characters break into song they totally lose me. I am sure there must be exceptions. Maybe others can enlighten me with some examples. 

Watch the end of Black Hole (1979). In fact, quite a few Disney productions have rather dark endings, such as 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Though I agree with you that this show is too kiddie for my taste. There is a way to make a lighthearted adventure show that still allows the villain(s) to retain some dignity, and this aint it.