The Return of the JEDI APPRECIATION THREAD
Did any of you walk to the theater for any of the Star Wars Prequels?
The Star Wars movies contain evidence that George Lucas makes it up as he goes
Can someone hurry up and comply with my oddly specific fanedit demands?
Holy Roman Empire Strikes Back Discovered
TheBoost said:
I'm not the sort to get all saddy sad when a famous person dies, even one whose work I'm fond of.
But this is making me quite melancholy. RIP Mr. Nimoy.
As the first of the famous Enterprise crew, I somehow thought that he would also be the last. But alas.
The Original trilogy stays the same.
The events of the prequel trilogy need not change and in fact the prequels as they exist now need not change in any way to exist happily with these revised prequels. However, the focus of the stories should be on a new group of characters, with Anakin and Obi-wan featuring in the story only briefly. The theme of the prequels is primarily one of establishing the universe of Star Wars, thus it remains quite basic. There is a war between clones and droids, yet this is merely a backdrop for a smaller struggle for survival going on throughout this tumultuous time. The story follows a crew of space pirates, reduced to scavenging the battlefields of the galactic war. One of these is a young girl who rescues Anakin who has frozen himself in carbonite to prevent a battle injury from claiming his life. Through this encounter, he instructs her in how to be a pilot, a primary theme of the trilogy. Later on, she starts to come to terms with the idea that she may in fact have some power in the force, and her psychic connection with Anakin drives much of her decision making in the films. Having rescued Anakin and rejoined her companions in Episode 1, she joins the Republic in Episode 2, flying a stunt fighter under the command of another Jedi. Then the clones turn on them with the issue of order 66, and she flees into hiding with this Jedi. Episode 3 takes place in the aftermath of the Jedi Purge, where she tests her mettle against the murderer of Anakin, Darth Vader, and there is one final stand to protect the secret location of the child of Anakin (In these, Vader is not revealed to be Anakin, the existence of Luke's twin sister is yet unknown, and Yoda is hardly if ever mentioned).
In the sequel trilogy, it is revealed that the emperor in Return of the Jedi was just a clone, drawing the Rebellion into an inescapable trap where they were almost completely wiped out after the battle of Endor. The true emperor remains at large, and Han Solo, Lando Calrissian, Chewbacca, and C-3PO are all dead or destroyed on Endor. Luke, Leia, and R2 flee the carnage in the Imperial shuttle, and Luke tries to train Leia in the ways of the Force.
The sequel trilogy opens with a new crew of characters, one of them being the son of Han and Leia. There are numerous revelations about the Force in this trilogy. One is that Luke and Leia are not brother and sister. Obi-wan had no knowledge of the 'other' that Yoda referred to, and so he could only trust Luke's intuition in that situation, which was wrong. Another revelation is that anyone can train in the ways of the Jedi, and the dogma that the Force runs in families is a lie perpetuated by the Jedi to keep their power consolidated within a small in-group. However, ability in the Force is fostered much more easily when a Jedi can use their powers of suggestion to make the trainee believe that they have ability, and they even use their powers to accomplish feats for the trainee. This is a closely guarded Jedi secret, one that is lost to Luke until it is too late. For he cannot train Leia to be a Jedi, as her mind is too strong to be manipulated. Here then is the great weakness of some Jedi trained later in life: they are essentially weak-minded. This is why children are taken by the Jedi at such a young age, when their mental powers are still forming, and why Luke was able to be trained even when an adult. With these revelations, Han's son embarks on his own quest to understand the Force, and these revelations will lead to a new clone war with the Force itself used as a weapon of mass destruction.
I really like the shot of the gas giant, looks like Jupiter now!
Just wish I could see all of the highlight detail.
^Should have been a picture of him from the waist up.
http://youtu.be/EyGuBM1ELf4?t=1m54s
Perhaps we could have this in there as well?
Huh, it seems to be back up. Well, no worries then. Any other options are still appreciated of course. :)
It seems like a lot of detail has been lost in the shadows and the highlights. The highlights also do seem to be uniformly blue-green, which is decidedly strange on Mustafar as timdiggerm said.
DuracellEnergizer said:
I still say he looks fat. =P
Well, that's just like your opinion man.
Handman said:
NeverarGreat said:
Corrected a bit.
Would it be possible to recover the cooler colors of the Death Star interior? They're a bit too red now.
Corrected more. Thanks!
Ryan McAvoy said:
This may just be, not only the most badass photograph ever taken, but the most awesome thing since the dawn of man...
...and I'd never seen it before until 30 seconds ago. My circle life is now complete.
Corrected a bit.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Wouldn't a lightsaber cauterize the wounds? ;-P
Not a 1977 model.
imperialscum said:
pablumatic said:
We even saw TIE Fighters, not TIE Interceptors in the sneak peak trailer which to me was saying "Return of the Jedi didn't happen, folks!".
ROTJ or not, seeing the same fighters 30 years afterwards is a stupidity from the story point of view.
They brought X-wings and TIE fighters back just so they can play on the "look we are going back to OT" note. I am sure many fans get "orgasm" by seeing X-wings again... LucasFilm knows that and exploits it for marketing reason of course. On the other hand, the film will suffer in the story aspect because of it.
I don't mind the X-wings, because they're clearly updated as one would expect. Same with the Stormtrooper armor. Keeping one classic ship design somewhat unchanged from the original trilogy seems reasonable to me.
mverta said:
A couple unfortunate things happened either around the time of, or because of, the sale to Disney: My LFL legal contacts moved on to greener pastures, and I no longer have dependable access to The Archives. I don't know if a lot of people know this, but during the sale, the assets in the Archives were either sold, or loaned, or put under the control of (can't remember which) a 3rd party (a non-profit, if memory serves), so you can't just get in there like you used to if you had official business. I've done a lot of work with licensees - Master Replicas, efx, Acme, for example - and it used to be that when we had a project, or were researching a project, or even CONSIDERING doing a project, we could get in there and get references, etc. and a couple of big projects that were well underway just had to stop until the dust settled and/or new rules were established to get access again. To this day all I've heard is that the new controlling entity is still nervous or skittish or something about all that, and the projects remain in limbo.
My friends at Disney are not directly in-the-know about the Star Wars property, and were only able to tell me that a 4K restoration either had been or was being done; they couldn't find out it if was the OT or the Flaming-Shit-Storm version. We can assume they were talking about Reliance's restoration, so on that front I know no more than anyone else.
My hope is, of course, that Reliance has done a jaw-dropping restoration of the OT in 4K, which we will...get... in...4K...some...how? On some future 4K medium? I dunno. But either way, that ain't happening soon for tons of reasons, so I decided to just press ahead!
Even if they do a 4K version of the OT, there are a dozen reasons that this project is more accurate/faithful/important.
It looks like the left hand side needs to be color corrected separately from the right.
I do agree that the sky is too blue - I actually like the colors in Mike Verta's uncorrected version.
Hi all, I'm wondering if there are any good websites where you can post screenshot comparisons. I ask because the site I have been using for over a year has konked out, perhaps for good:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/
So any suggestions?
acemt said:
WOW!!!! Amazing Stuff. I have been following -1 and have downloaded several other fixes for the original including KK's and Harmy's. Your videos show an incredible, almost 3D quality that I can't wait to see. Hopefully, it will be availabe someday soon.
After reading through all of the pages, I cannot see anything that tells when this might be available, other than when it's done it's done. Any updates as to when it may be available? I would love to DONATE. Amazing stuff my friend. Just amazing!
I suggest a closer reading of the pages. If you did that, you would know that it is not going to be released in any form barring some deal with Disney.
In fact, perhaps Mike could edit the original post to explicitly state the principles underlying the project, so as to cut down on this sort of thing.
I feel like you should put a spoiler warning on that site, seeing as they're re-using so many of his concepts for the new show and movie.
;)
As an aside, I find these technical discussions fascinating. And as msycamore's video illustrates, the previous stock designations are printed onto Technicolor dye-transfer prints, and as I understand it, the Technicolor film itself is clear with no markings. It's a shame that there is no working Technicolor lab anymore, I'd think that it would be extremely useful to have one lab which could print a dye-transfer copy of every film - just so there would be a color reference.
Ryan McAvoy said:
I don't recall it being spoken in that scene.
If only we had some sort of authoritative source for determining if such a thing was actually spoken. Alas, all we have is hearsay.
;)
http://zauberklang.ch/filmcolors/timeline-entry/1445/
"With the introduction of the chromogenic Eastmancolor negative/positive process it became possible to shoot with a normal one-strip camera. Three b/w color separations were produced from the Eastmancolor negative and printed by dye transfer on blank film"
http://arstechnica.com/business/2010/05/star-wars/
"Kaminski points out that a duplication of the original negative—commonly printed for the sake of protection—doesn't seem to exist for Star Wars. Something better was created, though: separation masters. "These are special silver-based copies that do not fade, and in theory should be almost identical in quality to the original negative itself, so even if the negative was destroyed you still have a perfect copy (which is the point of making the separation master)." Duplicates from these prints were used to replace damaged sections of the negative during the restoration before the release of the Special Edition."
So essentially the Technicolor film would be created based on the color separations, which were printed on Eastman stock.
Mielr said:
Let's remember that the name "Technicolor" was used long after the dye-transfer prints stopped being made. The company retained the name so "Technicolor" does not automatically mean IB prints.
True, but it's doubtful that normal print processes would have yielded a fadeless source. Unless they were just recently printed, say in the last ten years, which wouldn't make sense either.
I did a few tests of ANH Blu-ray to determine whether 720 was good enough, and for most of the shots of the film, it definitely is, such as the Tarkin shot above. For some shots however, such as some shots in the Tantive corridors for example, there is definite quality loss when going from 1080 to 720.
benduwan said:
can someone colorized the deleted black and white scenes from star wars?
that would be great.
I'll get right on it!
;P
