NeverarGreat

Quick comparison:

1: Blu-ray

2: Blu-ray with predictive colormatching from 16mm source

3: 35mm frame with slight color correction to remove red fading

4: Blu-ray with curves adjustment

While the colormatching algorithm works amazingly well when using identical shots, I'm not sold on its predictive power. In the above example, the predictive shot has crushed and dull highlights, and the blue in the background inexplicably turns to purple.

It's good, but I would have corrected the 16mm source to be less contrasty.

Tobar said:

I didn't see them complaining when the EU overwrote DROIDS which had A-Wings pre-ANH. The Rebellion is a large organization with many different cells. The main fleet is mostly composed of X-Wings. That there are different cells with access to different ships makes sense on a galactic scale. The Battle of Endor saw the gathering of many different cells into one massive fleet to take on the Second Death Star.

If by 'massive fleet' you mean a meager collection of barely military craft such as Blockade Runners, transports, a Medical Frigate and some converted luxury cruise ships along with a handful of fighters, then yes, they did.

;)

DrDre said:

JawsTDS said:

That Tech IB match looks amazing. I would love to see the Blu-ray matched to that, even with the changes. Would you ever consider releasing the Blu-ray rips matched to these sources for the basis for other projects?

That's certainly a nice idea, but it would be a 6 month endeavour to color correct the bluray, and some scenes are impossible to correct without separating the elements. I'm afraid with the projects I've got lined up, it won't happen any time soon. I will be sharing the user interface I've created for color correcting, so maybe someone else would like to do it?

 Color me interested :)

doubleofive said:

Why are we not complaining about this?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/11/9309335/see-the-star-wars-scenes-shared-between-the-two-trilogies

Have we lost our vitriol? A video supposedly showing the "like poetry, it rhymes" that could also just prove that "Lazy Lucas, was Lazy" is making the rounds, "proving" that the PT was "reverent" to the OT because the director only has so many ways he can shoot a medium/closeup scene.

Why would we complain? I thought the music in the video was quite relaxing, and it did a good job of juxtaposing similar shots from the different trilogies. Is it usually lazy filmmaking? Yes. Could it ALSO be poetic? Absolutely.

As much as I like picking apart the problems of the prequels, it is not a vitriolic exercise for me, and hatred isn't going to bring anyone around to my side. Enthusiasm for what I DO enjoy just might.

^^Well that does look a lot better!

DrDre said:

 Those last frames look spectacular!

I think this method will be the way to go when doing color corrections of the Blu-ray, as it automates what would be (and was) hours and hours of work trying to rescue these shots using manual color correction. There will still be problems with the Blu-ray that need to be corrected by hand of course, such as R2's dome in the above shot, which is oddly green with purple panels. That's just the nature of the blu-ray, that some shots are missing color channels and gradients and nothing can be done to fix that without pulling in color information from another source.

Zyrother said:

NeverarGreat said:

My download inevitably fails after the first 300MB or so, and has for every large file I've tried to download from Google Drive. Have you considered uploading to Mega? Those downloads seem to work for me at least.

 May want to try another browser. Chrome always works for me. Firefox should have no trouble either.

I always use Firefox, haven't tried Chrome yet. Though I think it may just be an internet connection problem on my end.

My download inevitably fails after the first 300MB or so, and has for every large file I've tried to download from Google Drive. Have you considered uploading to Mega? Those downloads seem to work for me at least.

That's really cool. The only thing that irks me is Ford's hammy expression as everyone else gazes stoically into the distance.

Also: 200 pages of randomness!

How are you dealing with the luminosity of the blu-ray? I noticed that the last group of three comparisons darkened the blu-ray even more, while the r2 frame brightened it.

These look wonderful, though still a bit on the green side.

The true genesis for that name (which I just made up upon seeing this thread) is that someone on an outer rim world asks Obi-wan who he thinks he is, dressing up like a Jedi, asking if he really wants to be associated with that group of has-beens. He asks who Obi-wan is again, seriously. Obi-wan retorts: 'a has-been', and the guy asks if he could call him 'Ben' for short.

That will do nicely, I think.

They look pretty good, though the golds tend to shift to green. That's probably since there's no gold reference in the shot of leia and stormtroopers. Is it possible to build a color profile with this program using multiple reference frames so that the results are similar to a LUT?

Not that it makes any difference, but if they were going for a villain on each Blu-ray cover, it should have gone:

Maul

Dooku

Grevious

Tarkin

Vader

Emperor

Boba Fett had even less of a role than Grevious in Empire, so it doesn't make any sense to put him on the cover. (If you did, however, you should put him on Empire then replace Grevious with Vader)

EyeShotFirst said:

If I liked the artist before I found out who they really are, I can still like their art. If I found out the artist was a piece of shit before I discovered there art, I can never look at their art in a good light.

If I had seen this painting not didn't know who the artist was, I would say it's very nice and well done... But knowing it's Hitler, I can't appreciate it.

Using anything Holocaust related as an example is a little far reaching, but rape is torture.

 That is actually quite well rendered. I never thought to look at Hitler's art before.

This was also by Hitler, and I actually really like it. Does that make me genocidal? The world is filled with people who do terrible things, and some of these same people also do good things. Hitler's art doesn't redeem his atrocious acts, certainly, but I can certainly appreciate his few good ones.

It's funny to imagine Yoda in that picture thinking the words in your user title :)

Gorgeous!

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Prequels-35mm-4K-Filmized-Editions-by-Emanswfan/topic/15033/page/1/

I don't know the status of this, but it seems to be the best bet for such a re-graining.

As for fixing episodes 1 and 2, I think that TPM could be vastly improved by changing Jar Jar's character through a new voiceover, making him possibly more of a wise jokester and someone who actually has good advice on occasion.

It would be interesting to start the edit on Tatooine, if only because that seems like the natural beginning of Anakin's story. I think there's a lot of potential in those scenes, especially in the podrace if it can be cut down and strengthened. Mostly wrapping up the story with the Tatooine scenes in Episode 2 may be a bit anticlimactic, but would at least bring the new edit full circle. Perhaps some expository flashback on Naboo at the beginning of Episode 1 before the Tatooine segments, then the marriage scene on Naboo ending the edit.

Anyway, just kicking around some ideas. Good luck with your edit!

Also, It might be interesting to see who's been here the longest. From the aforementioned thread, I see that at least three of the posters created accounts on March 10, 2003: Luke Skywalker, Bossk, and MeBeJedi. Did the site begin on that date?

Here's one from June 2004

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-The-Edits-and-DVDr-releases-thread/topic/801/page/1/

crampedmisfit1990 said:

mumbles_ said:

I think Jedi is pretty important to preserve considering how butchered the film was with all the special editions. It was my favourite of the three as a child but now I think I like them all just the same.

 I share this opinion, I do not like Jedi any less than New Hope or Empire. In some ways it is my favorite, in others it is not. I always feel like watching all 3 together and feel weird if I only watch one at a time.

I think it would be weirder for me to watch all 3 together. Sounds like a mess ;)

I also hope this thread...awakens, if you will. ;) But what should we talk about?

I saw this video recently, which offers a breakdown of JJ's visual style. It's pretty interesting, though perhaps less snark is in order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tx5z1kAFwQ

I totally agree that the Yoda reveal should be preserved in ESB. Directors should take a sort of Hippocratic oath when making prequels/sequels/spinoffs of movies, in that they vow to 'first do no harm' to the original story and characters.

FanFiltration said:

"Attack on Titan"

The best anime series I have seen in a very long time. This one will be a classic.

I can't wait for the second season. From the admittedly limited amount of anime series I have seen, this is my favorite.

Also, there's a live action movie in the works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InF16sp7J0M and it looks just terrible.