NeverarGreat

I was listening to some ‘complete’ episode 2 and 3 soundtracks on youtube last night and heard a leitmotif of Across the Stars that I hadn’t heard before, which I quite like. It’s a bit more complicated than the usual version, but I’m not quite sure whether it was in Episode 2 or 3.

It’s rather awkward to admit this because I’ve listened to much of the soundtrack again as well as some others, but I can’t seem to find it again. It’s driving me a bit batty. I’ll keep listening, but does anyone here know what leitmotif I’m talking about? I think it was to mark a scene change, though I could be wrong.

He’s a silent guardian; a watchful protector; a Darth Knight.

DuracellEnergizer said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

The real Palpatine is safely on Coruscant this whole time drinking thousand-year-old wine and chuckling quietly to himself.

Would that even be safe to drink? Is it even possible to age a wine to be that old?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speyer_wine_bottle

“Micro-biologically it is probably not spoiled, but it would not bring joy to the palate.”

No wonder he’s so hateful, what with that swill flowing through him.

I’m not much of a fan of the ROTJ Emperor either. It is very clear that he was set up to be far more of a threat than he ended up becoming, what with condensing the sequel trilogy plot into the third act of the OT. That’s why in my version of ROTJ, the Emperor is just an insane clone of Palpatine who’s been led to believe that he’s the real deal and sent to that Death Star to lure the Rebels into a trap. The real Palpatine is safely on Coruscant this whole time drinking thousand-year-old wine and chuckling quietly to himself.

Charles Daniels said:

Remarkable.
This has to be the most well structured, interesting, and dramatically satisfyimg idea I’ve ever read on this topic.

The theme is excellent and coherent.

Perhaps too intelligent for Hollywood. Really compelling.

Wow, thanks!

I really should check these forums more often.

Oh good. I’ve noticed some more laser deletions since then, but they’ve been much more minor, on the scale of only a few pixels, so it’s not something to worry about. 😃

TV’s Frink said:

IF I EVER BREAK I DONT WANT TO FIND OUT MY FAMILY HAD A BACKUP

YOU CANT REPLACE ME FAMILY

This would be much more funny if it wasn’t in service to your computer shtick.

^That reminds me of the deleted scene where Qui-gon slices the probe apart. It could fire on them first, so that Qui-gon isn’t seen as a cold-blooded droid murderer 😉 In all seriousness, your idea would make the podrace both more and less interesting from a plot standpoint. It seems silly to have the crew hang around just to free a slave while there’s an invasion in progress. On the other hand, making the podrace the epicenter of a Sith attack does make it more interesting.

I had an idea yesterday which would also need some effects work, about the giant reactor room in which the Jedi fight, which was originally supposed to be the planetary shield. It occurs to me that the room feels like the Death Star, with beams in it that look like a massive version of the Gungan shields, so what if Palpatine had stolen the shield tech from the Gungans and developed an enormously powerful ion cannon in secret?

There are several problems with the movie which could be fixed with this single idea. Why do the Nemoidians want to invade Naboo? Sidious gives them info about this ion cannon, which aside from being hugely valuable from a R&D standpoint is also what will protect them on Naboo from any external threat. When Sidious sends Maul to Naboo, it is to use the ion cannon to take out the Nemoidians after he has no need of the invasion. He is, after all, the Senator from Naboo.

That is why Maul is hanging out near the generator room at the time. During the lightsaber fight, he mentally flips a switch on the control panel beside him, and a closeup shows the ion cannon targeting the droid control ship. The Jedi don’t notice this of course. As they fight towards the bottomless shaft, the shield grid closes as a precaution as the ion beam fires out of the bottomless pit and strikes near the Control ship. Anakin is knocked off course and spins toward the landing bay, which is momentarily unshielded as the ion beam wreaks havoc with the battle. Then Anakin nukes the landing bay, it begins to blow up, and as the shield grid closes for a second time the second ion beam lances out and takes out the control ship’s power again, allowing Anakin to escape.

The glowing ball at the end of the film signifies the return of this technology to the Gungans, healing their feud. Of course, Palpatine continues scheming of even more powerful superweapons…

Yeah, I could see that there was a patch of lighter sky around the place where the laser should have been.

Clone brush operations are used to pull detail from one place in one print to the same place in another, in order to find the best information among all of his prints. Rotoscoping is used to isolate elements in a shot which exhibit a different channel misalignment than other elements in a shot, in order to bring all of the elements into alignment. These techniques could be considered manipulation, and it would be true to say that this isn’t a preservation of his 35mm prints. It could be seen as a restoration of a mythical Original Negative. Since we don’t know what channel misalignments occurred on the negative itself, he’s using this as an opportunity to fix all of these problems in his project. It could very well be that he’s surpassing the quality of the original negative in some places by doing this, but whether you consider this good restoration work or evidence of simply another Special Edition is open to interpretation. As for myself, I think that as long as you don’t change something which was intended to be that way by the original artists, and your changes aren’t anachronistic, it isn’t a special edition. So for example, I can’t imagine any effects artist wanting a channel misalignment in their work, and it was possible to make an effect with no misalignment in the 70’s, so fixing that wouldn’t be a change to the intent. However, altering a composite to remove its matte lines, although probably within the intent of the artists, would be anachronistic. Therefore matte lines should stay.

I took another look at the SSE, and I’m pretty sure that it was supposed to be there and accidentally deleted. 😃

I hadn’t considered that. They may have been deleted, since they are single frames. It seems odd that they would be though, I haven’t detected any other errors of this nature so far.

Here’s a weird one. Top is Silver Screen, bottom is GOUT:

There are a few laser bolts in this shot that aren’t in the Silver Screen, and presumably weren’t in the theatrical release. They appear to be in the '97 edition and they are definitely in the Blu-ray.

The description mentions a vinegar smell, so someone needs to get this scanned ASAP.

Bingowings said:

Buckaroo Banzai certainly isn’t so bad it’s good it’s just something that should be fun and is quirky and full of ideas but just doesn’t work for reasons which aren’t really easy to define.

It’s almost like the product of an alien culture where the points of reference are unknown so nothing it attempts to do really clicks.

If you sat down and tried to describe it to someone the film in their head particularly with that cast would be much better than the actual film.

I liked the movie for exactly the reason you seem to dislike it. I think it is intended as a huge inside joke. It’s not meant for you or me, or anyone in particular for that matter. It’s a middle finger to people who demand that entertainment be instantly relatable or even understood at all.

Nothing exemplifies this more than the watermelon scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpVXpCNFOSg

There is no in-movie payoff for this exchange, only weirdness. You have to do some outside research to figure out the backstory of this strain of high velocity fruit, but when you do, it’s oddly gratifying. There IS a logic to parts of the movie, even if much of it defies easy characterization.

If nothing else, the shot of the star destroyer has sold me on the look. It is miles better than the one in TFA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaYv3Y8tyoQ

It’s coming.

I always interpreted the ‘First Order’ to be a reference to a religious order such as the Jedi Order. However, I recently invented a more amusing reason for the name: The Imperial officers who did not desert when the Empire was routed took to calling themselves ‘officers of the first order’. The praise stuck and became the official name of the new movement.

My thoughts on the trilogy:

Rey should just be Luke’s daughter. This should not be a big deal like Vader’s revelation in Empire. People don’t allow their parents to define them like they used to, Rey is her own person first and foremost.

Include some spiritual messages/words of wisdom. TFA was lacking on this front, whereas even the Lucas prequels had some sort of message. The closest TFA got to a message was that good and evil will always exist. It’s not particularly deep or interesting, so the sequels need to hit this out of the park. Why is this time period worth three movies? Will the Jedi way finally die? Will it be reborn? Will it finally become meaningful to the galaxy at large, or remain in the hands of a small group of religious warrior monks? I don’t hold out much hope of any sort of interesting answer on this front, but one can always dream.

On this note, move the story from the perspective of Jedi vs Darksiders to one of honest investigation of the Force itself. What abilities will be born from such an investigation? Cool ones, I hope.

Reveal the politics of the galaxy. Again, something that TFA should have included to a greater extent. Where is the political power in the galaxy, now that the Hosnian system is no more? If there is no centralized power, does the galaxy fracture into warring states? Do the Resistance and the First Order form two superpowers? I would find such exposition acceptable, but it would be even better if the sequel trilogy concerned itself with governance more than previous trilogies, since Luke and Leia are now de facto the most powerful people in the galaxy, save the First Order baddies.

Recruit a voice of the people. I want to know what normal people think about recent events in the galaxy. We had the viewpoint from the upper class in the prequels, and our best indication of the state of the galaxy in the OT was Luke’s deleted scene with Biggs on Tatooine, far from the economic hub of the galaxy. The ST needs to provide the perspective of the everyman (or woman).

Incorporate an Asian Force user. A swordfight between an aggressive Force user and a calm master is on my top ten list of things I want to see in Star Wars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ESfN3lUNRM

A fighter chase near the surface of a star. Just do this already.

‘Snoke is the key to all of this, if we can get him working.’ In all seriousness, a character this powerful had better have a very compelling reason to play his hand at this point, and a convincing argument for why he should rule the galaxy rather than democratically elected officials. I wouldn’t mind if he and Kylo attempted to convince Rey like Vader and the Emperor in ROTJ, but it has to be more than familial bonds, the promise of power, or seduction via anger. It would be cool if Snoke was the last of the race of Celestials, beings which predated galactic history. If Luke was searching for the first Jedi temple because he suspects that it contains information relating to the Celestials, so much the better. The Celestials could even have been the ones to ‘invent’ the Dark Side, as an unnatural offshoot of the spiritual power of the Force. If the Sith were merely the most recent users of this Dark energy, the entire ST would be justified as it reveals that the greatest game in the history of the galaxy is approaching its climactic end.

TV’s Frink said:

Yes, he’s immature. That makes him a bad character?

I didn’t suggest that. I quite like his character.

Lord Haseo said:

A lightsaber duel with a severely wounded, mentally unstable, overconfident and under trained Dark Side warrior

The physical toughness of these characters is not in question, it is their emotional maturity.

TV’s Frink said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geif6zpMHLA

Everything can use more Hitchhiker’s references.

I also just finished watching this, and it’s a great edit. The opening of each film is a bit rushed to me, but each film flows well from that point and at no point did I miss the nixed side plots. I also agree that Azog would be better if saved for the end, and there are some more scenes such as Bard’s dragonslaying scene and the lighting of the forges that could use more cutting, but very serviceable indeed.

JEDIT: Thinking back on the fanedit this morning, it came as a literal shock that Radagast, Sauruman, and Galadriel were eliminated from the film with almost zero issues. I had completely forgotten that they were in the Jackson versions.

There is one small issue that arises because of their deletion, which is simply that no reason is given for Gandalf leaving the party when they leave Rivendell. In the goblin tunnels, he then magically reappears. But it’s a small thing that doesn’t take me out of the experience too much.

Smithers said:

All of the Dubrovnik photos I’ve seen so far look nothing like they should be in star wars, they remind me a lot of Naboo except higher class and everybody wears Earth fashion clothing.

Agreed. I don’t mind the architecture, but the chrome speeder and tuxedo-ed aliens really bother me. The speeder feels like it’s out of a futuristic sports car magazine rather than a lived-in, retro sci-fi world. And the aliens look like a visual spoof, almost like it’s from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

Oh and before people point out that these things will mesh in the finished film: when the first photos leaked of R2 in Episode 7 it was clear that parts of his design were just incorrect. People told me to stop nitpicking, since it was just a production picture. Well I’m pleased(?) to report that R2 looked just as wrong in the finished film. It is perfectly legitimate to criticize an aesthetic from production photos in my opinion.

I assume then that the queen is captured and held captive on the Viceroy’s ship, and the Jedi have to rescue her? How do the Jedi get on the ship, and does it just cut away as they are slicing through the bulkhead to the bridge? I’m not sure how you’d pull that one off.

After reading your thread, it seems that Bingowings beat me to the punch in describing the Coruscant, Tatooine, Naboo sequence of events. Ah well, great minds and all that.