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#1030329
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Everybody's Top Ten Favorite Movies
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If I could only take 10 movies with me on a 5 year mission through space:

Sunshine
The Fellowship of the Ring
Star Wars
The Princess Bride
The Adventures of Robin Hood
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Dark City
The Matrix
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
The Iron Giant

I debated about having both Dark City and The Matrix in a single top ten list, but I think it’s remarkable how similar concepts can yield such vastly different films. They both stay for now.

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#1029995
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Why Doesn't the Resistance have Tie Fighters in The Fore Awakens?
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It would go a long way to making Starkiller Base a reasonable weapon if construction began just after the destruction of Alderaan. This way the first Death Star would have been a proof of concept, allowing for the massive allocation of resources to such a project as well as giving the galaxy a feared weapon in the Death Star while their ultimate weapon was being developed over several decades.

After the revelation of the Death Star’s weakness, the official answer would have been to give it an energy shield, and with most of their resources tied up in the Starkiller project, the Empire provided only a quick and dirty proof of concept for the energy shield with the Second Death star. Unfortunately for the Emperor, he got cocky and got himself killed. This had the effect of freezing innovations on the Starkiller project, which kept the planetary shield tested with the Second Death Star but didn’t boast any other defenses of note.

As the Empire lost more and more ground, their ability to complete the project was impaired, so it took 30 more years and a change of management to finally finish Starkiller Base.

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#1029982
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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Another milestone, reel 1 complete!

Reel 1: Preliminary Grade 100% - Finalized 100%
Reel 2: Preliminary Grade 90% - Finalized 20%
Reel 3: Preliminary Grade 100% - Finalized 90%
Reel 4: Preliminary Grade 100% - Finalized 100%
Reel 5: Preliminary Grade 100% - Finalized 93%
Reel 6: Preliminary Grade 85% - Finalized 85%
Total Preliminary: 95.8% - Finalized 81.3%

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#1029947
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A place for self reflection.
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darthrush said:

I’m really stressing out over something that I shouldn’t be stressing out over. I’m taking a ton of AP classes this year (and last year) which is difficult but challenging in a fun way…usually. Last year I got a 4.0. This year I have all A’s except one class. I have worked my ass off and I’m gonna be probably ending up with a B+. I know this shouldn’t mean anything since most people I know would love to have even a B in some of their classes. I’m just very worked up over this sort of shit and my parents expect a lot out of me. The most relieving thing is when I remind myself that it literally doesn’t mean shit that I’m getting a B+ in a class. All my friends are nice and try to get a good laugh out of how stressed I always am about my grades. But in a way, now I’m kind of happy that I’m losing the 4.0. A 3.95 GPA with less worrying about perfection sounds a helluva lot better.

I apologize for ranting about a god damn B+. I’m surprised I didn’t delete this post because of how much of an idiot I sound like. I just really don’t want to have people not think I’m smart just because I got one B+.

I got mostly A’s and B’s in high school, with some AP classes in the mix. Then after a few furtive attempts at college, I decided to work my ass off and get a transfer degree with all A’s. It was during one of those late nights that I developed Tinnitus, probably due to stress, which has stayed with me for years.

I guess the moral of the story is that I’d rather have B’s or C’s in all my classes than a lifelong case of Tinnitus. These are the lessons you learn afterwards.

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#1029682
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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I would guess that the other films have the same issues, though I haven’t taken the time to investigate it. There are certainly plenty of color errors and missing gradients from just a cursory watching of Empire.

That said, it’s still an open question whether I’ll do the other films at all. Since Star Wars was the only one to be done in the Technicolor process, there’s the argument to be made that it should be the only one that looks like this, and I wouldn’t have any certainty about the colors of Empire or Jedi. In any case, it will be a long time before you hear about them from me, and by that time there will hopefully be an official or fanmade restoration that renders such work irrelevant.

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#1029388
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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Williarob said:

I use After Effects for stabilization. I find the image registration is more useful to me for overlaying one source on top of another, for example when erasing CGI dinosaurs…

I was just reading above a little about the troubles adjusting 3P0 and wondered if you had tried out 3D LUT Creator? http://3dlutcreator.com/ It makes adjusting individual colors real simple.

Color Cone is another great tool for this: (http://www.picture-instruments.com/home/index.php)

AE sounds like the best thing to use for the footage except that I don’t have that either. I have only been able to afford Premiere CC and Photoshop CS6 for this project, so I was hoping that someone would be kind enough to help out on that front. In the meantime, I’ll keep looking for solutions.

About individual colors, If I would have known about 3D LUT Creator when beginning this project I definitely would have put it to good use, and I made a LUT in Speedgrade (using the free trial) for eliminating the magenta in the film, and that seems to have some of the specific functionality of 3D LUT Creator. However at this late time I can’t justify the expense, and Premiere has managed to produce decent results with a bit more thought and effort.

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#1029324
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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I only have Photoshop CS6, so I don’t know if that script will work.

I just imported a shot (the second medium shot of Luke vs the tracker) as animation layers, then used auto align layers (reposition only) command. It took about 7-8 minutes to process all 100 frames, and the result was that the first few frames were stabilized and then one frame was stabilized about halfway through the sequence, but other than that, there was no stabilization. Perhaps the program deemed the shot steady enough, but my manual stabilization corrects all of the gate weave, which is what I’m after.

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#1029182
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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Williarob said:

NeverarGreat said:

UnitéD2 said:

Thanks to you Neverar and another question : when you recruit color from another source, does it mean you combine luminance information from the BR and chrominance from the source ?

That’s it exactly. I usually replace 50-90% of the chroma with the improved source, sometimes just a few gradients or a small part of the frame, but sometimes the entire frame gets the chroma replaced. In the first 4 reels, I’ve probably replaced the entire color of just 5 or 6 shots, but reel 6 in particular has such horrible color problems that during the dogfight it’s used on probably 1/3 of the shots. It’s surprisingly effective, but it’s essential to make sure everything is registered throughout the shot or you get worse problems like color fringing.

What tools do you use for image registration? Or do you do it manually? I’ve tried Elastix, some ImageJ plugins, and Photoshop’s Auto align layers usually works pretty well.

I’ve done it manually so far, the same process that I used for registering the lightsabers in the Obi/Vader battle. I’ve tried Auto Align Layers on some warped sources and it didn’t improve things, so I didn’t even consider it for this purpose. I suppose that would work though. It would need to be individual images run through as a batch process, right?

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#1029173
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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Some colorists say that you should grade everything for consistent skin tones, since out of all the elements in the scene, this is the most important for the audience. The argument goes that if skin tones look correct, the rest of the frame can be hot pink or neon green and nobody will bat an eye. Yet skin reflects the environment, and people photographed in a bright desert will look different than people photographed under studio lights surrounded by dark blue/green walls. So I get them consistent for the location, but I don’t worry too much about consistency over the entire film. And besides, as you said, makeup can be inconsistent.

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#1029162
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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UnitéD2 said:

Thanks to you Neverar and another question : when you recruit color from another source, does it mean you combine luminance information from the BR and chrominance from the source ?

That’s it exactly. I usually replace 50-90% of the chroma with the improved source, sometimes just a few gradients or a small part of the frame, but sometimes the entire frame gets the chroma replaced. In the first 4 reels, I’ve probably replaced the entire color of just 5 or 6 shots, but reel 6 in particular has such horrible color problems that during the dogfight it’s used on probably 1/3 of the shots. It’s surprisingly effective, but it’s essential to make sure everything is registered throughout the shot or you get worse problems like color fringing.

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#1028926
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

EDIT: Then again, I think that this entire forum is overly concerned with color correction. I think I might be in the minority there, though.

I’m with you.

Yeah, what kind of loser obsesses over the exact hue of the Death Star control panel lights?
I mean really, nobody cares!

I care about obvious shit like Hoth being blue or Vader’s lightsaber being pink, but half the time I see before and after pics here and they look nearly identical.

The sky being 0.02% too blue in one shot does not bother me in the slightest.

The Joke

On topic, I’ll believe that the OUT is on Blu-ray when I see it. There are a hundred and one things that could go wrong with it, not least of which is excessive DVNR, erased blaster shots and other effects, or getting yet another special edition to add to the pile.

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#1028842
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Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(Final Version Released!)</strong>
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Dreamaster said:

Just to keep things clear… (SO MANY VARIATIONS NOW!) this is Dr. Dre’s version:

The top one in Neverargreat’s comparison was from my single pass regrade of SSE 1.5, before 1.6 was released.

Something interesting about this shot is how much of the “sky color” is reflected in the “sand color”. Getting a nice, deep blue sky nets an unusually blue sand, probably showing the sky shouldn’t be quite that blue in the shot?

Thanks for posting that shot, it’s great… in fact… it’s kind of NeverarGREAT! 😃

The sky was certainly intended to be quite gray, but in the actual photography it was probably on the blue side, like a normal sunny day. You can see the green tones in the sky of the SSE example reflected in C-3PO’s head, and on the oversaturated Blu-ray this turns him into a multicolored mess. However, it may be more true to the photography to have that blue sky reflection, it’s just that in the Tech references he’s quite monochrome in the desert because of the desolate look. I’m still not entirely happy with how red the sky is in my version, but it’s phenomenally difficult to change while retaining the proper blue of R2’s panels.

JEDIT: Reduced the reds! Updated images above.