They are doing and saying all the right things for this train wreck of an idea. I may just become interested in it by the time the trailer drops.
My thoughts on phenomenology are phenomenal. I should really write a book. Oh wait, I am.
I improved it! I fixed the volume dip (thank you ForceGhostRecon), mixed better (thank you MalàStrana) with more tie sounds, and added a new score (thank you Kexikus). There’s still room for tweaks and fine tuning but I think it works much better already! Take a look:
Most impressive! Now I only need that shortened Rathtar scene in this edit and my life will be complete! I appreciate you fellas so much, wow.
JEDIT: BTW, now that we have that awesome “they found us” line… should something be done to Maz’s “Those beasts, they’re here!” (at 01:09:30 in the current edit)? Feels a bit funny that no-one informed her about the incoming attack. Not as important as some other cuts though.
I feel like a broken record saying this yet again, but why isn’t the castle a seething pandemonium when they see the First Order on the attack? Why doesn’t Finn and company immediately pull up and leave upon seeing this, since running was exactly what he said he would do in such a situation? Why don’t Han and Chewie immediately go to the Falcon to help fend off the attackers? Why in the face of annihilation is everyone instead taking some time out to ogle Luke’s lightsaber? I feel a bit like Yarael Poof here.
nightmare scenario: Alden Ehrenreich has the CGI face of young Harrison Ford.
^It might work well if the entire line was dubbed, but since it’s just a section, I can definitely hear the edit.
I’m not sure how to fix this scene. I’ve just finished a very rough animatic for the sort of thing I was imagining some pages earlier with the damaged spaceship, but I’m still not completely happy with the idea. I think there’s still too much being changed when the optimal answer would be something simple.
I don’t like the idea of Han and company seeing TIE fighters in the sky and ignoring them for another scene, nor do I particularly like introducing another spaceship only to have it be destroyed, since that entails a lot of effects work. Anyway, here’s the animatic if anyone is interested:
https://mega.nz/#!mRFzTLzT!_sU9oHbMQr9-ZzMKWXKflhCxF_biyI0K_xAsQhUOtIQ
Oh no you don’t! I just finished this reel to my liking, so you guys will just have to live with my less than perfect work.
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I guess that explains why I got an L in Roman Numerals class.
suspiciouscoffee said:
I called it Episode C just to pick a number.
I think I found your problem.
There is definitely some confusion as to the capabilities of Starkiller. Since the Hosnian system isn’t destroyed early in the film, we aren’t shown that it can destroy something many systems away, and the first time we are made aware of this is apparently during Hux’s speech.
When we were watching this edit, we had a discussion about whether the Starkiller had any sort of propulsion system like the Death Star. Since I am familiar with the Corellian system in EU, I thought it was plausible that the Starkiller would be able to trundle up to any old star and use it as fuel for its hyperspace laser weapon, but this seemed absurd to certain other people. I don’t know how to deal with this problem, but I’ll keep thinking about it. 😃
He puts more energy and hatred into that speech than anything I’ve seen in Star Wars.
The first post is ALWAYS up to date 😉
I can hardly imagine a scenario where Rey isn’t Luke’s daughter, especially since Daisy Ridley all but confirmed it. It makes a lot of sense that Han and Leia would be her aunt and uncle figures, since they basically act like her relatives throughout TFA.
He was using the popular Blue Rays sunscreen.
I’m still getting used to having 3PO blink at me. I can almost sleep at night.
I think that the Alderaan explosion was the one most in need of an update, but the one they gave it did little to make it better. If it was just the larger explosion it would have been fine, but they gave it the praxis shockwave, which just made it look dumb.
An obvious indication Ben was spanked as a child … or perhaps not spanked enough.
I’ll leave it up to personal interpretation which is the correct conclusion.
Trying to have it both ways?
Say what you will about any other film from I - VI, but each film added something significantly new in one way or another, and all of them stood on their own narratively without having to wait for the next movie in the series to explain all the nonsense it created.
But again, that was a personal preference list.
If we’re talking objective filmmaking the list would probably (for the most part) look like a lot of the other lists on here, but what’s the point of posting the same list over and over again.
I’ll bite.
ANH brought the most new things to the table in terms of ideas since it was the first, obviously. The Force, the Jedi, Empires and Rebellions, etc.
ESB essentially brought the Dark Side to the table, although it had a passing reference in the first one. The idea of Jedi Masters was also stated outright, and massively expanded the mythos of the Force via Yoda with visions of the future, nightmare encounters, and Force-sensitive trees.
ROTJ didn’t introduce many new ideas, and if one were to look at it in a forgiving light, one could make the argument that it merely had to reconcile the disparate ideas of the first two films in the mind of our protagonist. He understands the need for emotion in his life, but also recognizes that taken too far, it could consume him. He becomes more than a Sith or a Jedi, and finds a different path, one that ultimately leads to his father’s redemption.
TPM introduced the idea of a scientific basis of the Force in Midichlorians, as well as the idea that the Force itself can conceive of life forms. Taken together, this implies the mythical ‘Chosen One’. Also introduced, though already existing with out name in the originals, was the idea of the Sith as philosophically opposed to the Jedi. This one was definitely idea heavy, though most would agree that the ideas were bad.
AOTC introduced the idea that Jedi cannot form attachments, and this became the overriding theme of the film. This was definitely a risky move, since it flew in the face of much of the EU at the time.
ROTS suffers from the same problem as ROTJ in that it brings little new to the table, but again an accommodating interpretation is that ROTS must merely allow the conflicting ideas in the previous films to be juxtaposed in the protagonist’s mind. In this case Anakin had to reconcile the attachment that forms the meaning for his life with the admonition against attachment of the Jedi Order. Also implied in the immaculate conception by the Force is the idea that his life is solely the result of the Force, and by extension he can do nothing to change his Chosen One destiny. This is in conflict with the understanding that the Force obeys your commands. It is free will versus determinism on a galactic scale, so on this level at least the film gets a pass.
TFA on this scale may be the weakest of the bunch, since it is the job of the first film in the trilogy to introduce the big ideas. ANH and TPM were both very strong thesis statements followed up by equally challenging ideological rebuttals, but what is the thesis of TFA? I honestly don’t know.
One more suggestion for V2 - Due to the Hosnian system surviving into act 3, the scene where Leia asks Korr Sella to go to the Hosnian system can be reinserted after Leia’s introduction. It would have to appear before Leia learns about the Starkiller base from the reconnaisance/Finn, but after she returns to the resistance base. Therefore, the only possible place it could work is right after Finn and Poe’s reunion, after Finn’s line ‘I need your help’.
I just saw this scene (search ‘Leia and the Resistance’ on Youtube), and in my opinion it is essential. A wonderful Leia AND Carrie moment.
I may try to implement the sabotaged freighter idea, since the moment needs a tragic event rather than an impending attack.
the resulting file would be enormous.
No joke there, I tried to make a lossless single disc copy of Das Boot recently (the uncut, almost 5 hour long version), and it went from a 7.73 GB source to over 31 GB! Which of course didn’t work as an SD Blu-ray. I seem to have a knack for picking problematic video projects 😃
Actually, a lossless AVI rendered from a 2 hour, 30GB movie would be at least 300GB.
There will be an eventual V2, so please do send any FX shots or mock ups you may have! Anyone who can help this be better, please do so.
I never noticed that detail. Thanks for posting. Could you send me a completed shot?
You’re welcome! It shouldn’t be too difficult to incorporate this mockup into the full shot.
JEDIT: Here it is:
https://mega.nz/#!iM1VQBiT!SAnMpevz8n-KnIc6K3Nl-lVWF8_y7B_p6IyWjbRIE3I
JEDIT 2: Updated Comparison: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/196498
There was one shot that took me out of the moment, that I seem to remember being discussed earlier, but perhaps it was lost in the shuffle. It is when the X-wings begin their attack on the base, and the weapon is still smoking. I had a go at fixing this:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/196391/picture:0
And I created a basic matte for the shot:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/196391/picture:1
I know this project has been finished, so I’m just leaving this here in case somebody wants to incorporate it into their own versions. 😃
Yes, the forum feels much more inclusive recently.
I just watched this with some friends, and we agreed that the edits are well done and improve the movie. Great job everyone!
Thanks all!