NeverarGreat

DuracellEnergizer said:

If ever I have misgivings of the EU’s de-canonization (which I don’t), all I need do is remind myself that this existed

and I’m happy again that the EUphiles’ favourite tin god was torn down and hammered into dust.

I see images like that and wonder how they are in the same universe as that quaint 70’s movie. You know, the one featuring a farmboy, a down-on-his-luck hot rod driver and his giant doglike sidekick, and a sassy Mexican Revolution styled princess.

It must have to do with the cartoonification and superheroication of Star Wars.

bromeo said:

Now that many people have mentioned the “Apocalypse Now” shot, it got me wondering… what was the purpose of it in the first place? Simply homage? The TIEs have a sunset behind them and it is (or seemed like) the middle of the day on Takodana. Oh well…

JEDIT: Ok, never mind about the middle of the day…

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/ae/Takodana_surface_1.png/revision/latest?cb=20160416023739

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d8/Takodana_surface_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160416023807

The time of day seems to change on a whim on Takodana. It’s late afternoon when Rey steps out of the Falcon:

…then it’s mid-day when she runs away from the castle:

…then the apocalypse TIEs happen at sunset, then it’s mid-day again through the attack, then it’s nearly sunset when Leia arrives:

What if the entire battle was graded to take place near sunset? I did a quick adjustment to see what that might look like:
https://vimeo.com/199888518
Password: colars

I have noticed that WMP significantly darkens and yellows the videos I try to play, whereas VLC plays them perfectly (and has the screencap function). I don’t know if anyone else has this issue with WMP.

Another way in which primitive displays is good for story is that it forces the creators to distill graphical ideas down to their most basic version. A problem with movies today (MCU) is that their super advanced displays can often confuse as much as explain.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I am too aggressive a soul to post in this thread.

It has been made aware to me that a violation may have been made by this post concerning this thread and the rules that have been established for it.

It is being felt by Neverargreat that writing by him should never again be appearing in this thread.

Bingowings said:

During the Imperial conference when Tarquin declares the dissolution of the senate Trump should call it False News.

Wrong.

…

It’s FAKE news.

Yeah, no single book could capture everything that the movies captured, you have to pick and choose elements to focus on. For example, Children of the Jedi, despite being heavily derided, provided a wonderful look at how Jedi may have lived before the prequels made them into an oppressive baby-kidnapping cult.

It looks like the saturation is too high for this shot. Lowering it would probably be a good starting point.

DominicCobb said:

DominicCobb said:

I am reading Heir to the Empire right now but am only about a quarter of the way through and and will certainly not be done before TFA. But it’s great so far and I’ll definitely have it done at some point!

You know that feeling when you lose track of a TV show that you’ve been obsessed with, and then months later just don’t feel much of a desire to go back to it? I think this kind of happened to me with HTTE. I definitely liked it, and I won’t deny that the fact that TFA came out sort of derailed my EU novel marathon, which was done mainly as prep for TFA. I definitely needed to take a break from SW this summer, too, so that didn’t help.

But still, when I tried to read some more a few weeks ago, I just couldn’t really get into it. Anyone else not in love with the Thrawn books? It seems like everyone says their the best the old EU has to offer. And yet, nothing about them has particularly grabbed me yet (and I’s day I’ve made it about half way through HTTE). I’m a little worried it might just not be what I’m looking for in a SW story. Too much military stuff, too much sci-fi (ysalmiri - ugh). I don’t know. I’ll definitely finish at least the first book, but I don’t know if I’ll move on to the others. There are other SW books I want to read and I don’t want to waste too much time on a book that I rarely feel like reading.

I hear you. Everyone kept saying that the Thrawn trilogy was so amazing, so I bought the books and read through them. It was only after I’d finished the first one that I realized that I had already read them years earlier. They are that forgettable. Zahn is good at military sci-fi fiction, I’ll give him that, but he doesn’t understand what makes Star Wars tick. Granted, it’s a difficult genre, and even George Lucas clearly doesn’t understand it based on what we got in the prequels. I don’t know if any EU writer has managed to capture the wide-eyed wonder and fun of the originals, complete with archetypal yet layered main characters, retro lived-in universe, dystopic anthropological and technological undercurrents, magical spiritualism, and fairytale endings.

It’s a difficult quest at the best of times.

^Precisely my read of the situation.

Handman said:

NeverarGreat said:

Handman said:

Essentially snip out all the “Leia is my sister” bits in ROTJ and add the “There is another” line into that dream sequence in TFA and that’s pretty much all you can do to make that happen. A lot of effort for something small.

If Leia has real Jedi skills in Ep 8, this idea might not work as well.

Indeed, but Leia was established as being Force-sensitive in ESB, we can fiddle with what we get. The only bad thing is I really enjoy the Luke v. Vader duel in ROTJ, and Leia’s relationship plays a pivotal role in that.

There’s the argument that Luke is the only one using the Force when he contacts her on Bespin.

Also, I prefer the interpretation (originally proposed on Star Wars Minute) that Luke’s mind immediately jumped to Leia as ‘your sister’, but his real sister was someone entirely different. Ben, knowing that the only way his real sister would be safe is if she stayed anonymous, played along with Luke in case his thoughts later betrayed him. Lyin’ Ben strikes again!

I feel like the movie walks a tightrope with trying to be upbeat while also paying respect to Han. For this edit it’s even more difficult, since you don’t necessarily want everyone to be mopey and depressed at the end. After all, the enemy was technically defeated in the end, and everyone’s still probably on a high from that. Perhaps the destruction of the Hosnian system hasn’t yet sunk in. I’d buy that interpretation.

I just can’t imagine where they would have put the green lights in this scene. It appears that there is a light behind the camera which illuminates the edges of the panels, but this looks yellow if anything. The other two lights are at the end of the corridor, and are red and white/blue. Perhaps these lights were too strong on set (the red one is too strong in the Blu-ray at least), so in an attempt to reduce the red and blue of Leia and R2, the shadows became green for these shots.

In the first version of my correction, these shots were very green. After living with them like that for almost a year, I decided that it was too distracting and I brought them into a more neutral color scheme, though still with some green. Basically I corrected the entire scene to the colors of the previous shot. In this hallway shot, you see some set elements such as the piping on the upper left and the dividing panels which also appear in the previous shot, albeit with different colors. So all I did was match the colors of those elements - the panels becoming gray/green, the pipe becoming somewhat blue.

Handman said:

Essentially snip out all the “Leia is my sister” bits in ROTJ and add the “There is another” line into that dream sequence in TFA and that’s pretty much all you can do to make that happen. A lot of effort for something small.

If Leia has real Jedi skills in Ep 8, this idea might not work as well.

That’s right, I had forgotten that!

Mike Verta seemed to think that the grain wasn’t original to the prints, and in his comparisons the Blu-ray grain is quite a bit larger and has much more color noise than the Tech grain. The increased contrast of much of my grade can make the grain appear more severe, as well as raising the brightness. The binary sunset in particular is unusable without noise reduction, simply because I have to brighten it so much.

I use Adobe Premiere Pro CC for this project.

It looks like the HD workprint has about the same detail as Screener 1, just quite a bit oversharpened.

Why thank you!
I’m not using any grain, it’s just a color correction using whatever grain that is in the Blu-ray.

Interestingly, the blu-ray grain is almost certainly digital noise added by Lucasfilm in an attempt to camouflage the grain removal and sharpening they did on the negative.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Harrison IVed

I feel so validated right now.

Here’s the Lone Star (destroyer) AVI:
https://mega.nz/#!rR1nHJQB!WAXhIb5j9bzsncnTcgZn9IAy-8VgaXWNBK1A0qB8e38

I increased the opacity of the clouds, hopefully that is more realistic. 😃

Comparison with Restructured V1: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/197343

JEDIT: I updated the video and comparison from version 7 to version 8 due to fixing a perspective issue.

That has to be something that he filmed for a laugh, never intending to put it in.

Here’s the latest Star Destroyer Only attempt, this time incorporating some of David Bissig’s Finalizer model. Unfortunately the underside of the ship isn’t well-rendered, so I had to continue using the cutout on that section:

https://vimeo.com/199588360
Password: destroyer

@Sir Ridley: Feel free to use this for your Kylo shuttle version if you’d like. I will probably upload the full AVI soon 😃

It may not be necessary, but I thought some form of alien dialogue would help explain why he turns, other than the random distant shouts in the original. The Hosnian destruction leads to our expectation of that reaction in the original since we want him to turn and notice it, but not when that scene has been excised. We just assume he will look to the sky because we’ve watched that again and again in our edits, but for someone who is watching this for the first time, there may be some slight confusion.

NeverarGreat said:
…there could be some dialogue offscreen from the large brown alien, though he only has one line of dialogue in the film.

It looks like the TFA deleted scenes come to the rescue again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRFrY8NFfAQ
Thanks to ImperialFighter for pointing it out!