I don’t know of such a thread, but I don’t mind discussion here as long as it stays pleasant 😃 There is little point in it as it pertains to my project, but if people wanted to discuss reel 2 (garage scene, Tusken scene, etc) there would be a non-zero chance of it influencing my final grade. 😉
Never, I am really enjoying what it is you are doing here. Thank you for sharing the journey with us.
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You’re very welcome. I enjoy the discussion as well, even if it is sometimes a bit technical or subjective to me.
Vader conceivably could have kept Kenobi’s saber on his person, therefore it survived DS 1 blowing up. After that, who knows?
Well the Kenobi lightsaber prop was re-tooled for Luke’s lightsaber, so now I’m imagining a Rogue One type story between Empire and Jedi where Luke steals Ben’s lightsaber from Vader and improves it, since he lacks the skill to make one himself.
[Trump said:]
At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America. And through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.
When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.I sure am glad he’s moderating the authoritarian overtones.
/s
JEDIT: His entire statement is so much worse:
"At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity.
When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.
There should be no fear. We are protected, and we will always be protected. We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement. And most importantly, we will be protected by God."
“There should be no fear” - A tacit admission that everyone is terrified, and feel the need to invoke the police, the military, and God to protect them.
It also sounds like ‘God’s people’ is limited to just ‘Americans’, since that sentence is in the paragraph about fanatical patriotism! What happens when ‘God’s people’ wish to pursue solidarity with other nations? This just keeps getting better and better.
Does the projector use the yellow bulb common in the 70’s?
Also, the tone is consistent with the Senator screening photos, though there is more contrast, the highlights are more blue, and the shadows even more yellow:
[Trump said:]
At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America. And through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.
When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.
I sure am glad he’s moderating the authoritarian overtones.
/s
I don’t think the Poe shot detracts from the overall tone of the scene. After all, we see the pilots celebrating after returning to the base, presumably still on a high from the immediate victory. It makes sense that in the moment, Poe is playing the optimist as he does throughout the film.
(Perhaps I’m just sad that my favorite musical theme of the film is being sliced and I should just get over it)
As far as Global Warming is concerned, I believe that there is plenty of evidence to conclusively say whether or not humans are substantially involved in planetary warming and predict many of the deleterious effects of said warming. However, I personally have
In fact, I don’t think that any single person knows enough to say with certainty anything about AGW, as it is a question uniquely suited to a large network of people pursuing disparate yet parallel lines of investigation. In fact, if anyone were to claim that they knew conclusively that AGW was a myth, I would ask to see how many lifetimes they have spent investigating the problem.
Therefore, I will refer to the scientists on this one, and the vast majority say we should be concerned. So I will be concerned.
a big fuck you goes out to Governor Christie for saying this:
[Governor Christie said:]
I understand why people are interested if you are a public figure, as to who you root for,” Christie said. “They’re interested. But the hostility, I will tell you that I take for being a Cowboys fan — and this is what I say to Giants fans all the time, and Eagles fans. Now Eagles fans I can understand it from a little more because the Eagles do suck and they’ve sucked for a long time. And their fans are generally angry, awful people.
Fuck you, you fat piece of shit.
I’m no fan of Christie, but if you’re an Eagles fan, doesn’t what you just said count as an Own goal?
ROTJ is up.
Screen shots:
Wait.
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Here’s a 2nd generation bootleg from '78, with and without a correction:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/197780
Original Colors:
After taking out as much green as I dare:
Notice that R2 is still blue in the escape pod.
For my project, the green levels of the offending shots are in line with the shot of C-3PO in the access hallway, so they are slightly reduced compared to the bootleg.
Wow, how this edit has grown! I am loving all of the changes so far for version 2. I think it will probably be the version that I will be working from for my own personal edit that removes all references to Kylo being a skywalker until the end. Keep up the great work everyone!
Glad you find my replacement shots acceptable! It’s been a learning curve for sure, getting them up to the previous standard.
I remember watching a few scenes from some show/movie on TV in the 90’s involving some uniformed children (scouts?) trying unsuccessfully to rescue an older man from quicksand. It then cut to some pirates (I think) climbing the inside of a tower, using a spiral staircase. Seeing that their path was blocked, one of them said ‘Throw me a hook’, and getting it, he leaped into the middle of the tower onto a massive rope connected to a bell at the top. When he landed on the rope, the bell rang out, and somewhere else (the top of the tower?) a group of gaudily dressed people heard the tolling of the bell during their rowdy reveries.
That is all I remember, and it bugs me that I don’t know what show or movie this bizarre sequence was from.
That’s Angel. He used to post here back in the day but left after some disagreements…
Huh, I must not have been around then. It’s a shame, he has some neat ideas.
Some of his ideas are brilliant, but I can’t stand how he adds blue lights and blue panels and blue highlights to every. single. shot.
I’ve been thinking about the rathtara. Not sure at this point.
Rathtara. [rath-taar-uh] The homeworld of the Rathtars.
I had no idea this was a thing but there are many of them. https://youtu.be/TQGgnciEOGM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RAWYMxygeBk
It’s telling that for a 4 minute video, only 30 seconds of it feature ships from the OT landing, and even then only two from the original editions actually land on camera. What is it with the PT showing us every ship landing and lightsaber drop?
Just my two cents, since this is still my thread (I think 😉) - In discussing this shot with someone who happens to have a degree in technical theater and was a stage manager for some years, they say that green is never used to light a scene unless you want someone to look like a witch or a zombie, and the green gels are very expensive, so you’d get chewed out if you tried to use one outside of those applications.
I don’t know as much about the film side of things, but I bet the same principles apply. A green look could easily be achieved in the color timing step, and there was probably a concerted effort to avoid green in shots, especially with the Technicolor process that shifted things to green anyway. All this points to normal white/yellow/blue/red lights being used.
My philosophy is to grade an entire location so that objects in it appear the same color in every shot. I can’t imagine that the filmmakers wanted a wildly different look for different shots in the same location, so this corridor shot has a green tone like the rest of the shots in this scene. It’s not overpowering, but it’s there.
I should also mention that this part of the film has been completed and rendered for quite some time, so it’s not like I’m going to go back and work on it again. You’re welcome to continue debating the intricacies of color grading and production lighting in this shot, but I don’t really see the point now. 😃
Okay, I can see what can be done with the sunset battle idea in full.
While watching V1, my friends and I were discussing a possible edit that hasn’t been mentioned here, so I’ll just mention it: Poe’s survival and arrival at the battle could be more surprising/emotional if his introductory whoop was moved to just after Finn yells “That’s one hell of a pilot!” Then it could quickly cut to “Don’t let these dogs scare you”, so we keep all of his dialogue. Just an idea to chew on.
It would be pretty wizard if the whole battle looked like this:
Probably outside the scope of this edit though 😃
I am gruntled by this.
The other clear influence, I believe, is high seas swashbuckling. As with other influences, it’s always been there in SW from the start, though I do believe in some ways it is more pronounced here.
I remember my first general impression of the score was that it sounds far more like classic pirate films than any of the other scores do, and I think that fits the tone of the film rather well.
The main character, Rey, is a scavenger, who salvages parts from beached shipwrecks. Finn definitely feels like a soldier who’s jumped ship and shacked up with pirates. Speaking of pirates - Han’s always been one, and that’s perhaps never been more true than in this film (where we see him board and capture his old ship, haul dangerous creatures from some far flung land for money, and end up with other pirates boarding his ship looking to collect on a number of debts). He later brings the crew to Takadonna, which yes is has castle, but 100% feels like a Tortuga type island refuge for pirates.
There political situation has parallels. There’s no one power that controls all of the galaxy (seas). I just watched The Sea Hawk recently and some of the similarities are striking. In it, the Spanish Empire has been taking over a great deal of land, with secret plans to eventually invade England (and take over the whole map). England and the Crown is “peaceful” with them, but the Sea Hawks (English privateers) have been attacking Spanish ships. The Queen is publicly dismissive of them, but covertly supports them. There’s even a section of the film that deals with finding a map!
Then there’s the end of the film. Rey finds Luke on an island, and indeed the whole planet feels very much like an island in uncharted waters. The trip to Ahch-to feels very much like a journey off to an unknown spot in the New World (even if the location is supposedly ancient).
Very good points! Perhaps they used the Sail Barge in ROTJ as a springboard into full on pirate references in TFA 😉
Use both at the end of every sentence, just to be sure?!
If ever I have misgivings of the EU’s de-canonization (which I don’t), all I need do is remind myself that this existed
and I’m happy again that the EUphiles’ favourite tin god was torn down and hammered into dust.
I see images like that and wonder how they are in the same universe as that quaint 70’s movie. You know, the one featuring a farmboy, a down-on-his-luck hot rod driver and his giant doglike sidekick, and a sassy Mexican Revolution styled princess.
It must have to do with the cartoonification and superheroication of Star Wars.
Basically put to words what I have always thought. I think that’s what the new movies have done well with doing so far, making designs that feel like they exist in the same universe as Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Han Solo, Yoda, and more, while not being too derivative too, save for a few things here and there.
Compare the utter ridiculousness of these Darth Maul on meth designs to something as simple, clean, and elegant as Kylo Ren. Honestly, I like Darth Maul but his design was still pretty straightforward and not too cluttered. He had the simple black robes, scary tatooed face and was good to go. So many EU designs, for villains especially, bordered on the ridiculous.
Darth Kryat (spelling?), Darth Bane (armor wise), the rest of the One Sith and more just all reeked of cluttered nonsense. Even the rest tended to be uninspired… I mean Darth Plagius’ master was a cantina Bith fused with helmetless Vader. Even Plagius himself was one of those Banking Clan aliens from the prequels with a respirator.
Some villains like Thrawn and Darth Revan had simple and memorable designs but also unique characterizations and stories to boot, so it’s no wonder there was and is so much clamor to bring them back.
I think a lot of what makes Kylo Ren stand out from the standard red-lightsabered rogue’s gallery of the EU is that he exists in a world of medieval Christian imagery and iconography, from the rough burlap of his cloak to his crucifix lightsaber. He worships a holy relic, travels in a starship with a cross on its bow, and his battlefields include something resembling a crusader encampment, an English castle and grounds, and a Germanic forest. If the locations weren’t clear enough, the final location of the film is literally a Christian monastery. His personality and visage under the mask is reminiscent of a Spanish Inquisitor, and he undergoes emotional (and perhaps physical) torture as a way of strengthening his twisted faith.
While this is rich iconography for TFA to explore, I think one of the reasons it doesn’t resonate as well as the originals is because of this singular European influence. Star Wars has always been projected through a lens of American values, even if it draws from a wide variety of other cultures. Since the primary iconography is now European, it feels removed from the American zietgiest. I would be curious if it resonates more with European audiences, but I would doubt it.
