NeverarGreat

Should I create a thread in the Preservations section where people can report resellers profiting off of fan projects?

The Snoke scene and the Ackbar line are both hobbled by a lack of usable dialogue for repurposing. Since both Ackbar (probably) and Snoke (definitely) will appear in TLJ, it doesn’t really make sense to spend a ton of time trying to force a less than optimal solution. I’d say to just go with the V1 sequence of events for now.

The title is covering up Luke’s thumb, which is a dead giveaway.

I think the Leia scene is essential for V2, so that should definitely go in.

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

There has been a recent (at least, in the news) fight on the left over abortion and if you have to be pro-choice to be part of the Democratic party. One side says you absolutely have to be, the other says that anti-abortion voices have to be included in order to win House seats and state legislations in Conservative states/districts, in order to then push pro-choice positions.

I find both sides have compelling arguments, unfortunately. I guess it’s the old “does the end justify the means” argument.

There’s more sides than just that. For example, there’s anti-abortion leftists whose goal is to reduce the number of abortions, which they see as completely unrelated to the availability of abortions. To this group, Obama provided a clear leadership example–he did not do anything (that I know of) to reduce the availability of abortions, but his policies successfully reduced the number of abortions to levels lower than they were before Roe v Wade. To your standard “I want to throw doctors and women in jail” anti-abortion type, Obama was as bad as any other recent Democratic president. To your “I just want to stop abortions” anti-abortion type, Obama is a hero/saint/example to us all.

Admittedly this anti-abortion faction is a small group without easy access to bumper sticker technology.

That’s the problem right there. These moderate groups exist, but good luck finding out about them, much less making them the face of the Democratic party.

Anakin using the Dark Side to end the Clone Wars in a single stroke is an absolutely brilliant idea. Now I imagine Anakin being trained by Obi-wan while fighting the clones, and throughout the film (which mirrors Empire) he knows that there is a critical battle for which he trains. As the Jedi (including Obi-wan) are dispatched to the battle, Anakin is told to stay behind beccause he is not ready to face this challenge. However, the Jedi are in trouble and begin to be killed, and in order to save his master and end the Clone Wars, he intervenes, tapping into the ‘quick and easy’ Dark Side to literally save the galaxy.

MalàStrana said:

I would be in favor of not “echo-ing it/radio-ing it” (don’t know how to say it 😃), since it’s a complete sentence and for sound continuity it would be less jarring to avoid toying with sound filters.

What’s the current state of this edit by the way ? I was under the impression it was near the finish line. In order to follow its progress more easily it would be cool to have a “first post update” with the current status of all the ideas implemented or in progress to be implemented.

The feeling is that it’s near completion, but the Leia and Sella scene needs to be integrated into the edit, and for this to work it will require pushing the music of the scene back into the D’Qar establishing shot, and this will probably require reconstructing the audio effects for several shots in the sequence. So there’s still some work to be done, as well as figuring out exactly what to do with the trench run. If everything else is done and the edit is just waiting for the Ackbar line, I wouldn’t mind just cutting it and returning to the edit later for V3. I expect the release of TJL may change some of the interpretation of this film as well as providing more material for better edits.

littlebiggtoe said:

I’m not sure if this is the appropriate place for this, but since I’ve seen discussions regarding ebay sellers in this thread I thought I’d ask.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Despecialized-Trilogy-Blu-ray-Box-Set-Star-Tours-Holiday-Special-/263130379243?hash=item3d43caf3eb:g:5ZcAAOSw5cRZGnTV

The above seller has listed a very expensive set of Harmy’s Despecialized edition blu-ray’s at the link above (at least he credited Harmy I guess…). From the looks of it, he has sold quite a few. Does the community actively look for and report these sellers? And if so, where would one post links in the forum for others to report them?

The community does report these sellers (I have reported that one). There was some discussion of this problem in this thread, but it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to these issues.

TV’s Frink said:

Neverar’s Amazing Star Wars Technicolor Recreational Dreamcoat

Urge to make this the actual title…rising…

yhwx said:

I have a feeling that a lot of people here think that I’m an annoying/bad person of the “SJW” type.

Well I don’t think so. 😃

It seems like the left has gone from simply including and promoting minority voices to outright adopting the interests of these voices. This is a very important distinction when it comes to attracting more conservative members. For example, when the Democratic party goes from a coalition of interest groups each with their distinct set of values to a monolithic entity with a single constitution of values comprised of these interest groups, it is the difference between ‘the various states of the Union’, and ‘The United States of America’. One could argue that this is a noble advancement, since the values of all groups are now shared by all members, but it could also depress recruitment as it becomes expected that every new member is required to pledge allegiance to every value in this union. I expect that it would be difficult to be an evangelical and also be a liberal, since to be a liberal today generally means being pro-choice, pro gay marriage, and pro science. This is why there is such an anti-religious tone on the Left - the values which were fringe only a few decades ago have now become mainstream and to be religious and liberal is more and more an act of outright hypocrisy.

What the Left really needs is an understanding that the intersection of its disparate value systems should not be a monolithic dogma but a varied ideological terrain, with some parts naturally assuming only the most general values of liberalism such as tolerance for minorities, a higher standard of equality for people, and an appreciation for scientific understanding.

dahmage said:

TV’s Frink said:

I HAVE ASCENDED TO A DIGITAL EXISTENCE WHICH HAS RENDERED GENDER MEANINGLESS

I ALSO HAVE MORE STORAGE NOW

So, your bit has more Byte now?

No, he’s just got a full time gig on this forum.

DuracellEnergizer said:

But I’m a Cancer.

I had a 2/24 chance of being right.

ray_afraid said:

NeverarGreat said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I couldn’t care less about horoscopes. They’re stupid but harmless.

Typical Sagittarius.

Electric Six reference, or am I too hopeful?

Too hopeful.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I couldn’t care less about horoscopes. They’re stupid but harmless.

Typical Sagittarius.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

13 years! Is this a new record for OT.com?

I think there were a few extreme necrobumps last year for no particular reason.

I actually do enjoy the end credits John Williams themes very much.

I’m down with the sickness.

Here’s a bit more detailed outline:

Rogue One
It is a time of oppression. The Galactic Empire is secretly building a weapon which will crush any rebellion once and for all.

Desperate to halt its construction, the fledgling Rebel Alliance has sent an elite group of spies to capture the mastermind of this terror weapon, Galen Erso.

Little does the Rebellion know that the daughter of this Imperial scientist is hidden in their ranks…

Pan down to Eadu. The ship (whose only identifiable occupants are Jyn, Cassian, and K2SO) crashes on the planet and the two cloaked figures head out in the rain towards the facility. On Yavin 4, ships are scrambled to attack the base. We see the cloaked figures ascend the ridge and survey the assembled scientists, but when Krennic’s ship flies overhead, one figure (Jyn) disappears. Krennic informs Galen that he has an announcement, and to gather the scientists. Nothing is said of the Death Star’s completion. He tells the scientists that there is a traitor among them. We see Jyn climbing to the platform, and Cassian tries to call off the attack (not calling Jyn by her name), but it’s too late. The moment Krennic shouts ‘Fire!’, the entire platform explodes under fire from rebel ships. Jyn’s reunion with her father is brief, and he can only call her ‘Stardust’ and say that he has much to tell her before he dies. There is still no confirmation that Galen is not an Imperial agent, hence Jyn’s continued emotional distance later in the film. They escape on the stolen ship and head back to Yavin 4. The recriminations between Jyn and Cassian never take place in this cut (the costumes, wet hair, and tone are probably too different to incorporate into another scene). In fact, the entire Cassian ‘shades of grey’ subplot is cut, since not only does it have no logical space in this edit, it simply confuses the methods of the Rebellion as opposed to the extremism of Saw’s rebels.

Bodhi Meets Saw’s Rebels, and is taken to their base.

Back on Yavin, Alliance brass has learned of Jyn’s real name. They question her, realizing that they now have a potential in with Saw’s Rebels. Some continuity-breaking lines are gone. Jyn is formally introduced to K2SO, and her ‘I remember you’ line continues to make sense here.

We are introduced to Saw.

Krennic meets Tarkin in front of the Death Star, and they discuss the situation on Jedha.

The quest for Jedha remains largely unchanged. Her brief dream of Coruscant remains, but is lengthened to show the farm, the death of Lira from Jyn’s perspective, and Jyn’s escape into the hideout where she is found by Saw. She doesn’t recollect the conversation between Galen and Krennic. Galen’s hologram gains an added weight now that we know that Galen has just died. There is real tragedy this time, as Jyn learns that she was wrong to doubt her father all these years and they can never make amends.

After escaping the destruction of Jedha, Krennic and Tarkin discuss what is to be done. Tarkin informs Krennic that these security breaches ‘have laid bare your inadequacies as a military director’. Krennic responds with ‘we’ll see about this’ and exits.

There is a brief cut to Yavin 4 where they learn that Jedha has been destroyed. All other dialogue is cut.

Krennic departs the Death Star, and reminisces about his recruitment of Galen. We are shown what transpired from his perspective, and this completes the flashback.

On the U-wing, Jyn is deep in thought as well - seemingly reminiscing about the same event as Krennic - but is pulled back to the present by Bodhi, who asks if she is the daughter of Galen. The conversation happens largely unchanged, except of course that there is no going to Eadu.

Krennic meets with Vader. This scene is unchanged, and leads to the scene on Yavin 4 as in the original. The team departs for Scarif (sans the R2 and 3PO reference).

The final act proceeds roughly the same as the original. It is not necessary to change anything from here on out, but I would shift sections of the battle so that it makes sense from a logistical perspective. For example, the fighting on the beach, up to and including Bodhi’s death, all happens before Jyn decides to transmit the plans using the dish. This way, there can be no rescue in the transport. Similarly, Bodhi’s successful transmission to the fleet is what compels them to ‘begin probing that shield’. The bombing runs on the shield gate and the Star Destroyer decapitation maneuver are both the result of this communication. Krennic is told of the data breach the moment after Cassian fails to use the right hand of the officer, and the waves of Stormtroopers are a result of Krennic’s direct orders.

The film cuts to black after the final shot of Vader staring at the departing Blockade Runner. In this version, with the removal of the R2 and 3PO shot earlier, there is ambiguity as to whether this is the Tantive IV or whether it later beams the plans to another Blockade Runner. The final shot of the Tantive going to hyperspace could happen directly before or after Vader’s final shot, depending on how the music works out.

yhwx said:

Yikes.

https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Sidenote: This is not to be anti-Google or pro-Apple or pro-/anti-anything. These sorts of ideas exist in many many companies in this country and I’m sure just as many abroad. I am 100% sure that Apple might have these problems in the same amount or maybe even worse. This happens to all corporations. It’s a systemic issue.

I found myself agreeing with one of the guy’s main arguments, which is that there is a specific difference in gender regarding whether a person has an interest in people as opposed to things. See this for why that is, and a fascinating look at just the sort of problem this guy has encountered at Google. In short, there is a huge difference in genders in this specific area, and the cause for this single difference may be more biological than cultural. This in turn could force a company to resort to ever more aggressive policing of microagressions and perceived sexism in an attempt to attract more women to an area of a company that realistically will never reach complete employment equality.

Now, the 10 page ‘screed’ has many other issues and I’m not defending them, but it seems like the response to the essay is as problematic as the essay itself. I’ve found that a good rule of thumb for anyone interested in a serious discussion online is to always assume the best of the person you’re debating, and always seek to de-escalate the conversation in order to avoid ad homninems and other petty attacks. I find it concerning that the comments for this airing of grievances do not attempt this sort of thing, but are exactly the type of virtue-signaling that conservatives hate about liberals.

And yes, I get the issue that a member of a privileged group is complaining that his privilege is under attack, and I have no interest in defending his privileged status. But he clearly thinks there’s a problem, and a whole lot of people who elected our current government feel the same way. At some point it becomes counterproductive to antagonize conservatives for losing the culture wars, and it becomes important to find some common ground. This isn’t a zero sum game.

It’s pretty much all lightsaber and blaster effects.

I like the sound effects, but sometimes they interfere with the music. Making them more muted than the song would solve this.

That doesn’t sound too hard. I have a PhD in horribleness.

TV’s Frink said:

You’d never seen those before?

With so much posted to the internet, some things are bound to escape a mere human’s notice. I suppose that wouldn’t be a problem for you. 😃

Figured as much.

Apologies to Watterson, but these got a laugh out of me.
http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/donald-and-hobbes-is-genius/

From here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DonaldandHobbes/?count=50&after=t3_5f3ok2

Every Jedi has a Klingon Bird of Prey which beams them up whenever they’re in a tough spot. They can always just communicate later via hologram.