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Killing a student who had turned to the Dark Side is a very Jedi thing to do, from a prequel point of view. Even Obi-wan in ROTJ was saying that Luke needed to kill Vader, and Yoda said that there was no coming back after beginning the dark path. Sure, Luke seemed to grow beyond that in ROTJ, but the concept of killing a relative lost to the Dark Side was the primary conflict of that movie. I think he genuinely wrestled with that question, even at the end. To consider that he could return to that state of mind in a moment of weakness isn’t beyond the pale to me at all.

My ideas are in the Fanedit thread for now, but I couldn’t wait to post the new topic. 😃

Rhindle said:

Ironically, I think the prequels can be greatly improved with fan edits, but I don’t think there’s any way to fan-edit out the objectionable stuff in this one to make it better.

Wait, switch that, reverse it.

Still true - and I’m thinking The Last Jedi has a lot of that going on as well.

The issue for me is that we now get a sanitized vision of the galaxy where we don’t really see those class divisions between droid and human society that were extremely clear throughout the PT and OT. I’m left wondering if this is because the Clone Wars are a distant memory (and thus people really don’t view droids with suspicion anymore), or whether the filmmakers just forgot.

I’d recommend checking out the latest version of Restructured. It pushes the Ilenium plot point until the very end of the movie, and all that is necessary to remove it for good is to reinstate the Ackbar scene in its place.

At least here it’s explicit - the entire trilogy is a game of Exquisite Corpse.

But that’s also a wonderful opportunity for interpretation and re-imagining. Not even George Lucas can claim ownership of this sprawling and contradictory set of tales formerly known only as Star Wars.

With my biggest issue being the fragmentary storyline, I’d like to see an edit where the First Order is still hunting for the Resistance base at the start of the film. This would require using a modified version of TFA Restructured, where they never learn of the Ilenium system in the first place.

With this change, I could frontload The Last Jedi with Luke and Rey material, picking up right where we left off in the previous film. There would be more time to breathe (and reach out!) in this part, now that there’s less of a ticking clock Resistance plot to draw us away from Rey’s journey. It could be implied that she spends a great deal of time on the island trying to get information from Luke and learning things on the way.

Near the end of her time on the island, we’d introduce the Resistance as the they try to evacuate their base. The slow, illogical cat and mouse fuel plot can then be reduced. Rose and Finn still travel to Casino planet, but only because Rose knows from experience that their hacker can be found there.

The rest of the movie plays out pretty much as it is. I agree that some of the humor is too much even for Star Wars, like the AT-ST. It should be quite grim after the Casino planet.

Broom boy should probably stay. It’s just a great moment.

Collipso said:

If Luke went to the island to die why was there a map?

Maybe they suspected that Luke was looking for the First Jedi Temple, and the Church of the Force was the first group that actually figured out where that temple might be.

Luke need not be involved in the map’s creation.

Collipso said:

Is there a repeated Poe shot? The one that he looks over to the hole in the oscillator. Is that the same one used for when he’s looking at the Starkiller’s laser?

I think so.

Originally I had used the shot of the female pilot reacting to an explosion (which I think fits better), but I suppose it was too obvious a repeat if the original scene was going to be played verbatim. I think some editing could be done to put her reaction back in the Starkiller firing and simply remove that reaction from the original scene.

Whenever I get that deleted scene from SirRidley that should be the only thing I have to do, unless I’m missing anything.

Yeah, it even manages to subvert the fact that it’s a middle chapter, and that’s wonderful. I am so glad that there are few obvious paths forward in this galaxy, because that means that whatever comes next will be different than any previous Star Wars movie.

It could go anywhere, with any time jump. There’s room for our heroes to have years of adventures before facing the final chapter.

She may not get a hero’s death, but she certainly got a hero’s life in this, and I’m so much happier for it.

I’ve read tons of reactions to this movie and the one thing that people who hate it all seem to agree is terrible is the ‘Space Leia’ moment. People who like the movie largely don’t mention it.

I don’t know what that means.

For the record, I thought that did look a little weird, but I ended up quite enjoying it.

My biggest issue, other than the fragmented storylines, was that the starship chase and Godspeed Maneuver™ made little tactical sense.

Why couldn’t the First Order simply swarm the capital ship with TIE fighters until it went down? Why are all the ships traveling at a fixed speed? Why hasn’t anyone else used the Godspeed Maneuver™ as a weapon? It seems like a hyperdrive would be one of the most deadly weapons in the galaxy if just any ship could do this.

Oh, and I don’t care if Phasma stays or goes.

Just got back from seeing this.

My overriding thought from beginning to end: This is an absolutely Exquisite Corpse.

Rian takes JJ’s entry, laughs at it, and savagely ends the two most useless characters while finishing the trilogy in one movie, giving Abrams nowhere to go if he attempts to make a ROTJ lookalike.

Sure, I could pick apart the logical gaps in the spaceship pursuit and the Godspeed Maneuver™, but that’s for a future fanedit.

This movie is multiple main course meals, and for that alone it’s worth putting up there with the Original Trilogy.

They are a single adjustment, yes. But I would have to fine-tune this using a lot more frames before I’d be happy with it.

Comparing the Sword in the Stone Amazon WEB-DL to my digitized VHS, there’s a lot of the typical oversaturation, but in addition I found that the blue/cyan part of the spectrum had been brightened. This resulted in the once-murky forest becoming very bright and unnatural:


Here are the two example images with the same correction:

Oh good.

That was pretty forced.

I’m hoping that’s the case. Of course we’ll see in the next few days. 😛

Yep, I think I might have read a major spoiler in the comments of a comedy video about avoiding TLJ spoilers.

People suck.

Another little idea:

What if Han’s freighter was stolen from the First Order?
That would make Finn’s assertion something other than completely wrong, and it might just give the scene some suspense.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

The Phantom Menace (1999) - 4/PERFECT
Attack of the Clones (2002) - 6/PERFECT
Revenge of the Sith (2005) - 7/PERFECT
Rogue One (2016) - DEFECT/PREFECT
A New Hope (1977) - 9/PERFECT
The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - 9/PERFECT
Return of the Jedi (1983) - 6/PERFECT
The Force Awakens (2015) - 7/PERFECT
The Last Jedi (2017) - PERFECT/PERFECT

Made that consistent for you.

Wouldn’t that add to the confusion though, since we wouldn’t then know what they’re firing at?