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#1180687
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Idea: 'The Sequel Trilogy - complete redux' (an idea and discussion thread)
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DougieP said:

NeverarGreat said:

The Falcon is stitched into the ST’s DNA. No amount of rotoscoping can change that, since almost every scene with the Falcon relies on it being that particular vessel of nostalgia.

I’m not sure whether or not you mean nostalgic for the viewer or the characters but ether way, I completely disagree.

If you mean for the characters - There are only two scenes as far as I remember that reference nostalgia so far. One with Luke entering and turning the lights on and “Chewie, we’re home”. These can easily be cut or, if really needed, changed. It’s not like they constantly talk about the old days while aboard it.

If you mean for the viewer - While the final film isn’t out yet, I’ve started doing some background replacement in advance for my “Sequel Trilogy Redux” and my son became interested so I showed him parts of the film that I thought might hold his attention while I pointed out characters and names. One was the escape from Jakku and he really liked it, mainly BB8 who he calls “Baby 8”. At no point did he say that “the Falcon held the scene together due to nostalgia”. To him, it was a new ship, it could have been any ship. It really doesn’t matter what ship it is, the Falcon isn’t necessary.

The only scene that I would agree with you on is with how Han picks up Rey, Finn and BB8. The Falcon is needed for Han to be searching for it and he found it because it can be easily tracked (which is flimsy anyway, I can poke holes in that). But since I want to have Rey follow BB8s instructions on where their base is and head straight there, where Han is still a general, this whole scene is scrapped for me. Falcon not needed.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think the trilogy should have its own ship. The Prequels had Padme’s ships, which, while different in each film, all had the same interior, as well as the same chrome texture on the exterior. The Originals had the Millenium Falcon, obviously. The Sequels have…also the Falcon. How about the Falcon is destroyed when it crashes on Starkiller Base. All subsequent scenes featuring it would have another ship in its place. I really hope Episode IX introduces a ship like this to make adding more natural, not to mention not having to design it ourselves. The main issue will be rotoscoping the characters whenever they’re in the Falcon cockpit to place them in the new ship’s cockpit instead. That would probably be a nightmare. We could simply cut most of those shots, since they aren’t that important. We’d be cutting the shot of Luke in it anyways, since all he does is look at the familiar cockpit and retrieve the dice, none of which works if it isn’t the Falcon.

If this were done by someone else and it was good enough, I’d consider asking permission to use it. For me, however, it’s not a big enough deal for me to want it changed since I think there is so much other work that needs done. Whoever did this would probably need to have experience in 3D modeling/animation which I don’t have. Maybe the OP does?

I didn’t mean to imply that every scene of the Falcon is there purely because of nostalgia, just that its initial inclusion was very much for that purpose (and to get Han on board). But once the Falcon is now the ST ship of choice, there’s really no way to change its identity.

Listing all the scenes which rely on it being Han’s old ship:
-Han and Chewie finding and boarding the Falcon
-Han complaining about the compressor, and Rey’s solution
-The Tracking Ball reference and Game table
-Han thinking about hiring Rey to look after the Falcon

-Luke mourning Han’s death and the metal dice
-The Falcon drawing TIEs away at Crait (Requires Kylo’s hatred of Han and the Falcon)

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#1178637
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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After some thought and more than a few rewrites, here’s what I’ve come up with:

EPISODE IIV
THE FORCE AWAKENS

The Jedi Knights are gone.
Without their protection,
the shadow of the Empire
again darkens the stars.

A mighty stellar foundry,
once the backbone of
the Imperial machine,
has remained hidden from
the new Republic. Now
a sinister FIRST ORDER
and its fanatical legions are
forging it into a weapon
of unspeakable power.

Fearing that their doom
is nearer than the
Republic dares to accept,
one general forms a
covert RESISTANCE
and sends her finest pilot
in search of the long-lost
Jedi…

It has five name drops, is shorter than TFA’s crawl, and has much more explanation of the First Order and its power.

I had the idea that the First Order has simply re-purposed a preexisting Imperial forge for their weapon. This would explain their shiny new tech in TFA and even their overwhelming forces in TLJ.

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#1177731
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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I kind of like the idea that it’s vague, since it allows the viewer to imagine as many Jedi as they want. Luke did have a school, so he could have rescued some of his students. Of course he didn’t, but I’d like to leave that possibility open as long as possible, to heighten the mystery around the Jedi at this time.

Here’s another attempt, trying to make the sentences less clunky:

THE FORCE AWAKENS

The galaxy is in peril.
After many years of peace,
the last of the Jedi Knights
has vanished.

In his absence, generations
of fanatic soldiers, stationed
on a secret Imperial base,
have completed a weapon
that can devour entire stars.
Without the protection of
the Jedi, the New Republic
is blind to this hidden
threat.

Only one leader resists
this evil FIRST ORDER.
Mobilizing her most loyal
officers, she sends her
finest pilot in search
of the long-lost Jedi,
master of the vast
and powerful Force…

Needless to say, here I’m playing up the legend for all it’s worth. 😉

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#1177615
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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I wasn’t happy with how much information I needed to force into the first four lines. Now they function as a re-introduction to the galaxy and the fortress takes up the body of the second paragraph like in the original Star Wars crawl.

THE FORCE AWAKENS

It is a time of uneasy peace.
With the long civil war now
only a memory, a new
Republic rules the galaxy.

Yet the old Empire survives.
Created in secret by the
Emperor’s first command,
a zealous order has built a
fortress that can devour
entire stars. Led by a ruthless
warlord, they have driven
the last of the Jedi Knights
into hiding.

Without the wisdom of
the Jedi, the Republic is
blind to this deadly peril.
Only one leader mobilizes
a brave RESISTANCE,
and sends their finest pilot
on a mission to find
the long-lost Jedi…

The number of name drops is now down to four, and I’m very happy with that. The crawl is getting to the place where it could serve as an introduction to newcomers to the story. Leaving the identity of this Resistance leader secret makes more sense of the following scene:
“The General? To me she’s royalty.”

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#1177483
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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Another stab at the crawl, taking into consideration my 4/9/8 line numbering scheme and the recent feedback 😉 :

THE FORCE AWAKENS

The Empire has survived. Forged
by the Emperor’s first command,
his legions are secretly building a
fortress that devours entire stars.

Led by a ruthless warlord,
this zealous order and its
evil knights have caused the
last of the Jedi to disappear.
With the New Republic
fearing to declare open war,
one general leads a covert
Resistance to this deadly
threat.

Desperate for allies,
General Leia Organa
has sent her most daring
pilot on a mission to
find the long-lost Jedi,
her only hope in restoring
peace and justice to the
galaxy…

JEDIT: I’ve also gotten the capitalized names down from 7 in the original crawl to 5, which I think is the absolute minimum possible with this movie (I count Empire and Emperor as variations on 1). For comparison, ANH had 4 capitalized names.