NeverarGreat

He just puts the ‘before’ images after the ‘after’ images, which is about as confusing as this post.

Glad to hear that there’s progress on this! We can make as many projects as we want on this site, but nothing compares to an official release of the original film.

You can see in the Blu-ray where the gold color has bled into the panels on the left and the soldier’s pants, no doubt due to the yellow degradation in that version.

SilverWook said:

NeverarGreat said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I think we just have to get used to the fact that movie-franchises are made differently now. They are part of larger continuities, and SW in particular now has a commitment to a larger expanded universe. Lucas may not have cared (though even the PT had EU connections), now however, the EU and the movies are strongly connected. RO tried a milder version of it with Saw, and now Solo has fully committed to it. I think Lucasfilm knows that they can’t do exactly what the MCU does (e.g. making three or so movies a year), so they’ve committed to EU connections instead.

And if this whole Maul thing bugs too many people they can always “fix” it by making him a larger part of a future anthology films. Yes there’s no official plans for it right now, but they’ve opened that door now. I don’t see this becoming a huge problem, especially with younger audiences (it’s easy to forget that the post PT generation(s) actually likes Maul), but if it does they can still “salvage” it in many different ways. Like Silverwook said; Thanos wasn’t know by everyone watching the Avengers (or GOTG, etc.), yet it eventually paid off and those who hadn’t read the comics accepted it. Lucasfilm can still do a similar thing.

I was 13 when TPM was released, and liked Maul plenty. The problem is the retconned survival for the purposes of character recognition. Since Maul was killed (for real?) in Rebels yet again at the hand of Obi-wan, there was no reason to bring him back at all.

Now we are told to care about a character retconned back into existence by a children’s TV show who is destined to die in a pointless attempt at vengeance in another children’s TV show. It may come across that I’m annoyed by this decision by Disney, but that would imply some sort of emotional investment in Maul’s story.

People keep comparing this to Marvel and comics in general, when Star Wars isn’t the same sort of story. At its most pulpy it’s a serialized space adventure, but the original film has more in common with Kurosawa than with Stan Lee.

Don’t forget the Flash Gordon serials. Ming the Merciless came back from certain death more than once.

Indeed. But I think we can agree that whatever the inspiration, Star Wars is a wee bit more sophisticated than that. Well, that’s what I had assumed anyway…

I just about wore out the Lego Idea book from the 90’s:

With three of us kids, we had enough legos to make absolutely epic castles with full baileys and keeps and forests. Our inspiration mostly came from our neighbor, who was somewhat older than we were and had a custom castle that was much larger and more impressive than we could achieve. It was he who gave us the idea book. He had more of the 80’s sets as well, and a lot of space sets.

We mostly got the later stuff such as the Dragon Masters and Black Knights sets, and Space Police.
This castle was the best:

LEGO was my life.

ZkinandBonez said:

I think we just have to get used to the fact that movie-franchises are made differently now. They are part of larger continuities, and SW in particular now has a commitment to a larger expanded universe. Lucas may not have cared (though even the PT had EU connections), now however, the EU and the movies are strongly connected. RO tried a milder version of it with Saw, and now Solo has fully committed to it. I think Lucasfilm knows that they can’t do exactly what the MCU does (e.g. making three or so movies a year), so they’ve committed to EU connections instead.

And if this whole Maul thing bugs too many people they can always “fix” it by making him a larger part of a future anthology films. Yes there’s no official plans for it right now, but they’ve opened that door now. I don’t see this becoming a huge problem, especially with younger audiences (it’s easy to forget that the post PT generation(s) actually likes Maul), but if it does they can still “salvage” it in many different ways. Like Silverwook said; Thanos wasn’t know by everyone watching the Avengers (or GOTG, etc.), yet it eventually paid off and those who hadn’t read the comics accepted it. Lucasfilm can still do a similar thing.

I was 13 when TPM was released, and liked Maul plenty. The problem is the retconned survival for the purposes of character recognition. Since Maul was killed (for real?) in Rebels yet again at the hand of Obi-wan, there was no reason to bring him back at all.

Now we are told to care about a character retconned back into existence by a children’s TV show who is destined to die in a pointless attempt at vengeance in another children’s TV show. It may come across that I’m annoyed by this decision by Disney, but that would imply some sort of emotional investment in Maul’s story.

People keep comparing this to Marvel and comics in general, when Star Wars isn’t the same sort of story. At its most pulpy it’s a serialized space adventure, but the original film has more in common with Kurosawa than with Stan Lee.

I hope in Solo 2 we see Maul hover around with a double-bladed helicopter lightsaber.

What? It’s no more silly than bringing him back in the first place.

fmalover said:

Trolling aside, The Autistic Asexual has a point.

Why the hell is TFA held in such high regard? I’ve noticed many people have ranked in the upper half of their lists what is essentially a copy-paste of the first SW movie. The reasons commonly given are:

• It made SW enjoyable again.
• It did an excellent job setting up the ST.
• The characters are engaging and well written.

I say Bullshit! All this movie does is recycle the Empire vs Rebels setting of the OT, rebranding them as the First Order and the Resistance. When I first saw TFA I couldn’t stop asking myself how can the FO be every bit as powerful and wealthy as the Empire when it’s made up of leftovers?
The only character I really liked was Rey even if she was way too skilled at everything for someone whose daily routine consists of scavenging ship parts. Finn was an annoying buffoon an Kylo Ren came off as a whiner rather than a menacing villain.

In case anybody here missed it TFA is currently my lowest ranked SW and has earned the distinction of being the only SW movie I didn’t like at all.

One way I’ve come to look at the First Order that makes sense to me is that the war ended in a ceasefire, and much of the Empire’s strength retreated to a smaller area of space where they only ruled over hundreds of worlds instead of the thousands like before. Now just hyper-focused on a cold war military buildup, they were able to build Starkiller Base and a substantial fleet over the next thirty years.

Ptaaffe2000 said:

An edit could be made in the flashback sequences tongive kylo the skywalker lightsaber. It would explain a few things including why ren says that lightsaber belonged to me, how maz kanata has it and why luke throws it over his shoulder.

He does have the Anakin Skywalker lightsaber.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Aren’t titles/ranks/etc. supposed to be capitalized when used in conjunction with a name?

Yes, when the title is being used as a part of the name, like: ‘Lord Vader, you promised…’. However they are not capitalized when saying things like ‘My lord…’, or ‘The evil lord Darth Vader’, since the lord is not a part of the name, and only references the group to which Darth Vader belongs.

I remember that shot(among others) being very green, and in the first pass I made the Blu-ray match that green. However, after adopting the philosophy of making a consistent grade, these overly green shots stood out like a sore thumb so I corrected them so the skin tones were in line with other shots of this nature. There’s something definitely amiss with these completely green shots in the Tech.

In Empire’s crawl, ‘lord’ isn’t capitalized, making clear that it is a title, not a name. I don’t think Vader has ever been referred to as ‘the evil darth Vader’, where the ‘darth’ isn’t capitalized. That would make it clear that it was just a title. But then again, Jedi is always capitalized even when saying ‘the noble Jedi Luke Skywalker’, so a capitalized Darth may be the naming convention used for Sith lords.

But why use the ‘lord’ at all if all Darths are Sith lords? Wouldn’t using ‘Darth’ suffice? It can’t be to distinguish Sith masters from Sith apprentices, since Dooku and Vader are both the apprentices of Sidious and yet they are both referred to as Sith Lords.

It’s confusing.

I loved the use of that song in-universe.

Greetings and felicitations.

This is one of those places where the 2004 and 2011 versions have eaten away the blue in his panels. In my version the blue (such as it is) has returned:

I posit that either line would have worked, and it’s just dozens of repetitions of that line which have made any other line sound wrong.

DominicCobb said:

This is very hard, but here’s my new ranking:

1. SW
2. ESB
3. ROTJ
4. TFA
5. TLJ
6. TPM
7. Solo
8. ROTS
9. RO
10. AOTC

Doing it right.

snooker said:

ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
TPM
TLJ
SOLO
AOTC
ROTS
RO

Doing it wrong.

Here’s my off-the-cuff ranking, having not had a chance to listen to Solo’s score in isolation and expecting it to climb:

ESB
ANH
ROTS
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC
TFA
RO
TLJ
S

I’d say that she still isn’t convinced to fight for the Rebellion in the Hologram scene. She is actually more interested in finding and rescuing her father. It is only after his death (strangely, at the hands of the Rebellion) that she decides to get the plans. I don’t think she ever really aligns with the Rebellion, more accurate to say that they both have the same objective in the end.

TV’s Frink said:

A young teacher named Mr. Clark…

A young lawmaker named Senator Johnson…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rephrasing it would have solved the problem.

“Darth Vader, a young Jedi who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights.”

Now it’s awkward in a more technically correct way. Yay English!

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

It’s only silly now in retrospect when the PT tells us Obi-wan is such a dummy that he’s basically saying “…only a master of evil, Lord”

The word “lord” is a weird case where you wouldn’t really use it in that way (more likely “my lord”). I always saw Darth as a title used more like “general” or “master” or “count,” where people refer to them by just their title all the time. I’m not a linguist so I apologize if I’m not explaining this sufficiently, though it should be easy to understand.

That makes sense. If Darth is nothing more than a designation (like Moff or General), Obi-wan is saying that he’s no more than this designation, a mere cog in the Imperial machine.

This still doesn’t explain why he says ‘A young Jedi named Darth Vader’. I don’t think there’s a way of interpreting this as anything other than his actual name.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Puerto Rico’s Hurricane Maria death toll is over 70 times higher than the official number

This is a tragedy.

I quite liked the droid rights subplot. It’s a massive injustice in the galaxy that’s been strangely glossed over by our heroes, and to have a droid be an advocate for the cause is totally earned for me. Also, this is no protocol droid, so it probably doesn’t care what people think of it or if it’s grating. I found it refreshing that it wasn’t quiet or tactful.

https://youtu.be/oW2tg2GdYvM?t=5m47s
This joke got me. I wouldn’t mind seeing something like this in Frink’s version.

TV’s Frink said:

towne32 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I clearly don’t remember the theatrical look (oh wait I never saw it in theaters) but when the article says “less green” shouldn’t it say “no green?” I see no green in those pictures at all. Of course you can’t trust pictures like that, it might just be my monitor’s fault. Regardless I think color issues are way overblown, people are always trying to “fix” stuff here that doesn’t need fixing, and basically meh.

There’s still green in the new Matrix images I’ve seen.

I agree with you that sometimes, especially here, color issues can be overstated. And there have been a lot of projects here that seem to want to do away with the idea of grading itself, wanting everything to look as it might in real life. But the Matrix Bluray grading was really really over the top green. From what I’ve seen, the new images look like a nice improvement.

In this case, it’s possible that my baseline is “incorrect” being that as I said I never saw the movie in theaters. So possibly for me, it’s down to personal preference, what I’m used to basically.

With that said I barely see any green in the images shown in that review.

Really? I see a lot of green, for example this shot from the UHD release:

But other times the filmmakers wanted to merely imply the green through costume and set design, which is why the Oracle scene is otherwise very naturalistic.

This is fairly similar to how it was seen on 35mm.
The previous release had gone with a really heavy green tint for everything set in the world of the Matrix, and this destroyed the subtlety of the set and costume choices: