NeverarGreat

Midichlorians

I don’t know what it is about the original troll scene but it’s a total black hole of humor for me, and I even laugh at the Goblin King and the barrel chase antics.

Maybe it’s my preconceptions of how trolls have been portrayed in the Lord of the Rings - could you imagine the cave troll in Fellowship making quippy smalltalk, or gushing about a soup’s boquet? I imagined that they would think and talk slowly, almost Entlike, which is why they were still arguing about dinner when the sun came up. As it is they are just embarrassingly stupid.

If only there was a way to cut the whole thing…

Naboo

Warbler said:

NeverarGreat said:

Warbler said:

NeverarGreat said:

pittrek said:

Warbler said:

pittrek said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I liked Insurrection…

Me too. It feels like a long TNG episode, which for many people is a problem, and it contradicts an episode of TNG, but compared to Nemesis it’s a masterpiece.

Which episode did Insurrection contradict?

I don’t remember the English titles of the episodes, but there was the last episode with Wesley, I think season 7 - the situation was similar - the Federation has decided to forcefully remove a colony of American Indians because somebody else wanted it. Picard’s attitude was “I don’t like it, but it’s an order”. In Insurrection the situation is very similar, but now for some reason Picard decides to do a small insurrection to defend them.

Although the situation is similar in these respects, there is one major difference - in Journey’s End the colony has been recently reclassified as being in Cardassian space and may be wiped out if not relocated, whereas the colony in Insurrection is still in Federation space and under no existential threat.

It can also be argued that the situation Journey’s End did not constitute a violation of the prime directive where as the situation in Insurrection did.

But since it’s later established that the colony in Insurrection has advanced knowledge of warp drive, the Prime Directive doesn’t apply in this case.

In the movie, they sure talk like it does apply.

That’s because they were operating under the assumption that it was a low-technology species until midway through the movie, when they realized that the aliens had the knowledge but simply decided not to use it in their lives.

Warbler said:

NeverarGreat said:

pittrek said:

Warbler said:

pittrek said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I liked Insurrection…

Me too. It feels like a long TNG episode, which for many people is a problem, and it contradicts an episode of TNG, but compared to Nemesis it’s a masterpiece.

Which episode did Insurrection contradict?

I don’t remember the English titles of the episodes, but there was the last episode with Wesley, I think season 7 - the situation was similar - the Federation has decided to forcefully remove a colony of American Indians because somebody else wanted it. Picard’s attitude was “I don’t like it, but it’s an order”. In Insurrection the situation is very similar, but now for some reason Picard decides to do a small insurrection to defend them.

Although the situation is similar in these respects, there is one major difference - in Journey’s End the colony has been recently reclassified as being in Cardassian space and may be wiped out if not relocated, whereas the colony in Insurrection is still in Federation space and under no existential threat.

It can also be argued that the situation Journey’s End did not constitute a violation of the prime directive where as the situation in Insurrection did.

But since it’s later established that the colony in Insurrection has advanced knowledge of warp drive, the Prime Directive doesn’t apply in this case.

pittrek said:

Warbler said:

pittrek said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I liked Insurrection…

Me too. It feels like a long TNG episode, which for many people is a problem, and it contradicts an episode of TNG, but compared to Nemesis it’s a masterpiece.

Which episode did Insurrection contradict?

I don’t remember the English titles of the episodes, but there was the last episode with Wesley, I think season 7 - the situation was similar - the Federation has decided to forcefully remove a colony of American Indians because somebody else wanted it. Picard’s attitude was “I don’t like it, but it’s an order”. In Insurrection the situation is very similar, but now for some reason Picard decides to do a small insurrection to defend them.

Although the situation is similar in these respects, there is one major difference - in Journey’s End the colony has been recently reclassified as being in Cardassian space and may be wiped out if not relocated, whereas the colony in Insurrection is still in Federation space and under no existential threat.

DuracellEnergizer said:

NeverarGreat said:

First Contact is great and I will fight anyone who dares say otherwise.

*puts on boxing gloves*

It’s not great.

Well this isn’t an argument, it’s just contradiction!

Obi-wan Kenobi

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Possessed said:

ESPN Jeapordy.

yeah so this isn’t as good of a category as I envisioned. To dahmage and all my other adoring fans, I’m sorry I’ve let you down.

Yahtzee

DuracellEnergizer said:

Yahtzee

I’m so sorry.

First Contact is great and I will fight anyone who dares say otherwise.

As for returning to the original timeline, it could work if it comes from a place of visionary optimism for the human species. The trouble is that it’s hard to escape the gravitational influence of edginess and cynicism in any form of media these days.

Great idea and execution!

suspiciouscoffee said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

★★★★★★★★★☆

After some reconsideration, I’ve decided to upgrade my rating to a perfect 10.

Satisfied, Java Man?

Of course I’m not satisfied. Why do you think I write? A man writes because he is tormented. Because he doubts. He needs to constantly prove to himself and others that he is worth something.

Deep.

It’s a puppet which was present in the original film.

TV’s Frink said:

You started and ended on high notes there.

Like any good performance, really.

US Republican Party voters/supporters - Your thoughts and prayers

The Original Ending of Baba Yaga

George Lucas, Comma

Some Actor in Star Wars

When Han Solo was Frozen in Carbonite How did he survive so long without Watto?

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I’m almost 60, and I’ve been hearing this Fall of the Roman Empire stuff since I was in elementary school.

True, but it’s always been applied to the USA in general, not to ‘the left’.

Mrebo said:

This article helped me understand the intense dislike some have for Jordan Peterson.

I read that entire article and still have no idea what this Peterson guy is on about or why people dislike him.

Also, and sort of a tangent, what’s this about Leftism being like the final days of the Roman Empire? It’s an overly ominous attitude about the Left that has seemed to grow on the Atlantic these past few years. I’ve noticed it especially in their pieces on Trump, where the authors write as if his policies and tweets are couched in some form of intelligent strategy or overriding ideology instead of what they almost always are - an attempt to distract from the latest scandal and/or channel the media’s attention. This means that the Atlantic, and many other publications, play right into his hands when they ought to know better, and in fact they often do. When you read right to the end of the pieces, the authors often admit that they know just how cynical his ploys are, but the impression I get is one of defeat from the authors in their assumption that their article will not change anybody’s mind so why bother.

This is from the same publication that wrote this when supporting a presidential candidate for only the third time since 1857:

“In its founding statement, The Atlantic promised that it would be “the organ of no party or clique,” and our interest here is not to advance the prospects of the Democratic Party, nor to damage those of the Republican Party. If Hillary Clinton were facing Mitt Romney, or John McCain, or George W. Bush, or, for that matter, any of the leading candidates Trump vanquished in the Republican primaries, we would not have contemplated making this endorsement. We believe in American democracy, in which individuals from various parties of different ideological stripes can advance their ideas and compete for the affection of voters. But Trump is not a man of ideas. He is a demagogue, a xenophobe, a sexist, a know-nothing, and a liar. He is spectacularly unfit for office, and voters—the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box—should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent.”

This is why the Atlantic infuriates me. If they are convinced that Trump is such a danger to the Republic, they should fight him regardless of how partisan it makes them look.

Since TLJ can serve as an end to the series, Episode 9 will be our remaining heroes traveling back in time through a wormhole to just before Episode 1, opening the door for an entirely new prequel trilogy directed by Rian Johnson.

Anakin was a dear friend of mine

I wouldn’t be surprised at anything that extended the deadline for JJ completing the story.

It’s Too Hot in the Desert and All My Friends Speak Binary, or Luke and the Loadlifters

Rage Against the Imperial Machine

DEATH STAR: Galaxy of Fear

Jedi and the Holograms

Vader, Moff Ben Tarkin Biggs: Organa Leia Han Artoo Wan Kenobi Antilles Darth Beru Owen to Alderaans.

Just got to watch this - or rather, watch a selection of scenes.

It’s great! Just as I remember from the DVD.

These are the questions I’ve been fighting with as well all day.

In regards to the two options of the FO’s pulled punches, I prefer the ‘Kylo’s Mission’ angle, since it doesn’t present the First Order as incompetent. In the end, I expect that there will remain some of Hux’s incompetence, but it’s far better for the audience to wonder ‘What is the crazy space wizard’s plan?’ rather than ‘Why is Hux still in charge of anything?’.

I think Poe’s character arc would still work even with much of the first scenes truncated or eliminated.

The Hyperspace Tracking plot is the most intractable problem right now. With the current idea of cutting so many scenes in the beginning of the movie, Leia and Finn discussing the impossibility of the tracking would be cut in favor of having Finn know about this technology and revealing its existence to Rose. The issue which immediately arises is that he should have brought this to Leia’s/Holdo’s attention immediately upon learning that they were running from the First Order. Instead he brings this to Poe’s attention, but Poe decides against telling Holdo.

One tantalizing idea is that the ‘cloaked’ binary beacon is not so cloaked as the Resistance thinks. Combined with the idea of Rey being the one who gave the beacon to Finn on the sly, the scenes could easily be reworked to make it seem like Finn is trying to get the beacon off the ship to protect it from further tracking. Of course this falls apart when they make their plan to disable the tracker, since all they need to do is get the beacon off the ship to solve the problem.

Yes, links are allowed (in PM form only). Count me down for one who thinks a 2:30 runtime can work for this trilogy, though the ideal edit remains elusive. I’d love to see this. 😃

I should probably clarify why I want to cut so much Leia material - simply put, it doesn’t directly relate to our heroes (Rey and Finn), which means that things like Leia using the Force or even Poe’s scenes with Leia are beside the point when the movie is already on the long side.

There’s a very instructional segment in the Lord of the Rings Appendices about this problem, and the solution that they found was to cut anything that wasn’t directly related to Frodo, with very few exceptions. I think this is a good rule of thumb in this case.