I’m kinda wondering why that wasn’t a thing in the '90s. Not enough processing power?
I expect that it was a problem of miniaturization, as VHS players require a bulky play head to read the analog signal from the tape. A laptop would have to be much thicker than that to contain such components.
No offense guys, but you were the ones who were insulting him and berating him behind his back, I’ve just gone through this thread after the link was posted on a Star Wars Reddit (SaltierthanCrait) thread, he isn’t forcing anyone to give him money, or pay for the edit, if people want to give him money in appreciation for the work then that is their prerogative.
If he loved doing the work so much he wouldn’t be asking for people to pay him so he can do it full time. He wants to be paid a wage for doing it and pay others in the process. That goes against everything fan editing is about . And the quickest way for Disney to crack down on fan edits and shut them all down. He is profiting from material he doesn’t own the copyright to.
Exactly.
Username: A slightly ironic misspelling of Nerevar (+ the word Great) from The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, which was carried over from the Elder Scrolls forums. Not super applicable here, but it serves.
Feeling nostalgic, I tried to find some of my old posts from the Elder Scrolls forums. Turns out that the forum sank into the swamp years ago, was replaced by another which again sank into the swamp, and finally replaced with a third one which eventually stayed up. The only evidence which still exists is the Wayback Machine, and from after my join date in 2008 there is only one page capture:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080827190321/http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums
I wonder, will the same thing eventually happen to OT.com?
I believe that the 4:3 version is the uncropped film, so there’s no more picture information to be gained by a widescreen source (if such a thing was ever made).
You might as well create a new trilogy. It would be cheaper, I think.
I liked the sequence. It didn’t need to be so drawn out, and it would have been nice if we had some emotional connection with the Jedi, but it was still effective.
It’s very very hard to cut around Han in Jedi. Believe me, I’ve tried. He does a lot of the action and has a lot of the exposition.
I remember toying around with having Han getting saved AFTER the Battle of Endor, but it messed with the flow too much.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s possible to make the Endor scenes work without Han. What do you think of the condensed idea, where the Shield Generator subplot is dropped entirely?
Yeah, the video transfers of Star Wars have a very distinctive look that isn’t like the film prints.
Does NeverarGreat’s version match to a digitized IB Tech print or to a projected IB Tech print?
Digitized. I don’t have access to a film projector, unfortunately.
However, since the grade is very precisely matched to representative digital frames and balanced scene by scene, it would still be a far better place to start than the uneven blu-ray, and get you a lot closer to the look of the Tech. If someone had access to a print and a projector and wanted to correct it fully to what they saw, it would probably only take a single LUT. Dre was trying to do something like this if I recall, putting his custom LUT’s on my project.
You could combine ESB and ROTJ:
It is a dark time for the
Rebellion. Although the
Death Star has been all but
destroyed, the Rebellion is
scattered to the far reaches
of the galaxy by the dreaded
Imperial Starfleet.
Guided by the voice of
his master, Luke Skywalker
journeys in search of Yoda,
a warrior with the power
to defeat the Emperor and
his sinister agents.
With the Starfleet deployed
against Skywalker and his
friends, Darth Vader awaits
the arrival of his dark
master aboard the Empire’s
ultimate weapon…
-Open with the Emperor arriving on the Death Star, where they talk of Vader resuming his search for Skywalker. Omit talk of Luke getting stronger. Cut to establishing shot of Emperor’s tower, and Vader asking of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing near Sullust. The Emperor dismisses this talk and tells Vader to go to the command ship.
-Luke arrives on Dagobah, and meets Yoda.
-Establish Hoth, and Han deciding to leave. They discover the Probe droid and destroy it.
-On board the Command Ship, the Imperials find the Rebel Base. Vader doesn’t suggest that Luke is there.
-The Rebels evacuate the base under duress, without Luke’s presence (This incidentally avoids the issue of Luke escaping with ease while his friends are chased).
-The asteroid chase is cut, going straight into docking on the Star Destroyer bridge. There is no Emperor hologram, since he’s already been established.
-Luke trains, fails, etc etc.
-Much is the same until the Carbonite, where Han dies.
-Shortened fight with Vader, leading to the revelation and the end of Act 2.
-There is a single establishing shot of Yoda’s hut, and a robed figure materializes out of the mist in front of it, making its way forward as darkness surrounds the hut.
-Vader returns to the Death Star, using the scene from the beginning of ROTJ, shortened to simply that Vader will motivate the workers.
-Luke returns to Dagobah to find Yoda already in bed and at death’s door. He admits that Vader is the father, then insists that Luke not underestimate the powers of the Emperor. Luke’s sister is not mentioned.
-The fleet is assembled, and Mothma explains the attack. Han is not present, and it is edited to make it seem like Leia is joining Lando’s attack force. Luke joins as well. They take off in the shuttle.
-The landing and speeder chase happen, sans Han. Leia meets the Ewoks, who recognize her from the Rebel base previously on the planet.
-There is no roasting of Luke and Chewie, instead 3-PO tells the story and they are admitted to the tribe, then Luke and Leia discuss Luke’s parentage. Luke turns himself in.
-The ending happens pretty much the same, except without Han.
There could be a short version of this, however:
-Emperor’s arrival on the Death Star
-Events of ESB as described above, except that Luke allows himself to be taken prisoner by Vader after the revelation.
-Leia and Lando escape with the help of R2.
-Closeups of Luke in the Bacta tank, colored with an evil red light signifying Vader’s dark purposes for him.
-Vader returns to the Death Star to much fanfare, cutting right to Vader and Luke in the elevator to the tower. Vader hands a lightsaber to the Emperor, but this is Obi-wan’s blue lightsaber, not Luke’s. Luke says that he’ll soon be dead, and the Emperor suspects that there is an imminent attack, which then emerges from hyperspace.
-The shield around the station is generated from within. As the Imperial fleet engages the Rebels, the Emperor orders the station to fire, destroying a capital ship.
-As the ships keep going down, Luke becomes more and more angry, until he attacks the Emperor. They fight and then Luke disengages, going into hiding.
-Vader reads Luke’s thoughts, saying ‘Your feelings for them are strong, especially for…’ (We see an image of Leia, and the exact Rebel ship which holds her. ‘…so, your feelings have now betrayed her too.’ Luke snaps, cutting of Vader’s hand. He then realizes what he has done, looking at the hand that Vader bequeathed him, which in this version is cold, metallic, and lifeless.
-Ackbar orders the Command Ship be brought down. When it crashes into the station, it does enough damage to shut down the shield protecting the station. The fighters go in.
-Vader is redeemed, the Emperor defeated, Luke escapes, the station explodes for good, and Luke takes Vader into the forest on Yavin 4 for a proper funeral.
-The final scene is from ESB, where Luke gets a more human hand and Lando leaves in the Falcon, now truly redeemed by his heroic acts. He could even be searching for Han, if it is decided that he doesn’t die in Carbonite.
It makes sense that this reel looks so yellow, considering that the SE was timed to the Tech print in George’s possession and the Tech prints look very yellow here as well.
It’s well established by this point that no archival project can eclipse oojason’s patience.
Going to take a gues this is footage from the battle for endor, mixed into ROTJ
Quality sleuthing, Holmes.
Hmm, I think this is a good compromise. Because narratively, it is a good character choice to have Kylo reveal reveal his face to Rey, and I don’t think it is really worth losing for just saving the reveal. While we don’t really get a good look at him here, Rey does at least so it maintains that relationship building technically, while still saving a clearer reveal for the Solo confrontation.
That was my intention, sort of to have the cake and eat it too. Later in the scene, where there are more closeups of Kylo, I’m planning some Force vision stuff which could replace those shots.
EDIT: Also meant to say I did like your village edit too. While I don’t personally mind Poe’s dialogue, since I think it endeared him to the audience immediately, it is a really cool idea displaying Kylo’s mind reading abilities early on in that way. I kinda think Poe shooting Kylo feels a little quick, maybe I’m just used to it, but I get the logic of him trying to go for the kill when he has the chance. I think music-wise I don’t like losing some of the strings immediately when Kylo freezes the laser, which is now overpowered by the fading trumpets.
Glad you liked it! Definitely the most jarring thing with this change is Poe’s immediate attack and Kylo’s sudden lightsaber activation for a single shot. There doesn’t seem to be a way to fix that however, unless I cut to a shot of Tekka being led by the troopers or something. The music was all very rough and spur-of-the-moment in editing, so any ‘official’ edit would attempt to weave the music together more coherently.
The reason I won’t be using this idea in the final movie actually has to do with Finn. In the original edit, the massacre brought the focus of the scene back to Finn and his dilemma, whereas in this edit the focus always stays with Kylo, and Finn becomes more of a background character.
And like I have mentioned on Hal’s TFA thread before, I think it would be nice if you could crop the shot where Kylo pauses right before killing Lor San Tekka, since it seems like his saber is on even before we hear it activate.
That’s a good idea.
I’ve experimented with the lighting of the interrogation scene before, but this time it serves a more practical purpose:
https://vimeo.com/298092270
Password: fanedit
Digmod has attempted to preserve the Kylo reveal by keeping the mask on in this scene, but it might be more simple and effective to have Kylo be in perpetual darkness here with this selective lighting and some cutting around Kylo’s closeups.
If they do take a five year break they should get rid of Kathleen, restore majority of the EU, promote Pablo as creative director, redo the prequels and restore and release the OUT. If anyone has a problem with this please pm me instead of derailing the thread.
Why would you think the guy in charge of this should be creative director?
Not trying to be negative, just honestly perplexed as to why people seem to think he’s the new visionary leader of Star Wars.
A restructure of the village scene, a what-if not intended for inclusion in the final edit:
https://vimeo.com/297185306
Password: fanedit
Jumping backwards again, I’ve never been a fan of the glitchy Stormtrooper reveal at the beginning of the movie.
Here’s a look at the opening shot without the Stormtroopers, with the score replaced with ambience and an alternate composition for the scene:
https://vimeo.com/297109785
Password: fanedit
JEDIT: What if there was no music at all until BB-8 rolled into frame?
JEDIT2: Video reuploaded, now with cleaned music track.
It’s funny, I thought that it was supposed to be the same pilot in both films, with Rian just forgetting that he did in fact die in TFA.
I like that idea. His dubbing feels a bit out of place anyway, in the kind of goofy exaggeration that JJ seems to like.
The trench run is definitely unfortunate, but it might be a case of cutting all of it or none, due to how it’s held together with the music. I have some ambitious ideas for this part of the movie right now, but I’m going to see if they are at all feasible before saying anything else…
I’ve found that over the last year or two the RedLetterMedia people piss me off more and more. I think it has to do with the disgusting worship that a lot of their fans have for their opinions, but I also think that it has something to do with the way they pretend to be these common folk that aren’t pretentious (which is a quality they claim to hate) but their commentary is some of most pretentious that I’ve ever seen. Just because they put it forth in a vulgar and casual way doesn’t make it less so. And I know I shouldn’t be talking because I think I’m right about everything and I think almost everyone that disagrees with me is wrong and stupid, but I admit it. I say all this as someone that used to be a die-hard RLM fan.
Jay has always been somewhat snobbish, which has only gotten more severe over the years. I don’t know if that is exactly equivalent to pretentiousness though.
Mike however is not at all pretentious IMO. If anything, he comes across to me as self-deprecating. Maybe you will say this is his ‘common folk’ persona hiding his true pretentiousness, but whatever.
With the ability to edit again, I’m jumping around rather haphazardly and playing with a bunch of ideas. One of them is to remove the alien subtitles from the Rathtar scene, since Bala-Tik already says the important bits. Instead, I would like to add subtitles first to the alien pirates in Maz’s castle, but also to Teedo’s scene near the beginning of the movie to help flesh out the world:
https://vimeo.com/296737963
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Just like with the crawl, I’ve tried to accomplish a lot with a small bit of text. For example, Rey opens with a declarative statement which conforms to the structure of the classic mind trick, which shows that she is well aware of how this power was used. Placing this scene right before Kylo’s interrogation of Poe illustrates how much stronger Kylo is at this point in the movie than Rey. That Rey believes BB-8 is a person due to Jedi legend shows how much Luke Skywalker in particular had to do with reshaping the Jedi image in the past 30 years, and gives his character power and influence right out of the gate. Similarly, Rey so easily falling back on Jedi legend shows her to be sort of a religious devotee, which fits with her superiority and isolation from other people. Finally, Teedo’s denigration of the Jedi as a superstition shows how much Luke as a physical presence is needed in the galaxy.
JEDIT: After giving it some thought, it’s too much too fast. Here’s a stripped down version that just focuses on Rey’s attempt at a mind trick or two, which connects to the Unkar Plutt subplot:
https://vimeo.com/296788907
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