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#1260128
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Get ready for "Star Wars - Shroud of the Sith", a radical fan edit of "The Phantom Menace"
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I really like it through ‘stay close to me and you’ll be safe’. It feels like that’s the end of the lecture to me. Maybe if you put the line about quieting the mind before the ‘stay close’ line it could work better, but I don’t think the last line about ‘time and training’ makes sense without Anakin responding.

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#1260107
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Smithers said:

“A young Jedi named Darth Vader, he was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.”

The only story necessary for the prequels to tell is the story of a jedi knight who turns to the dark side and betrays the Jedi, then proceeds to kill a ton of them, Luke should be seen by the audience as some random Jedi’s son, and that’s it. There’s no reason to give Luke and Vader the same last name, and there’s no real reason to see Vader’s children being born. When the twist finally comes in ESB, the audience should be 5 movies in and still be in as much disbelief as Luke is, the prequels really could serve the twist rather than take it away. Man, what a shame these movies are.

I don’t know how it’s possible to mislead the audience into thinking that Anakin and Luke aren’t related. After all, Padme is pregnant during ROTS and when ANH starts that will be the obvious connection to Luke. There really needs to be some other Jedi implied to be the one who turns evil.

So what Jedi that we see in the Prequels is capable of becoming Darth Vader?

Maul - Acceptable age, but too short and never established as either a Jedi or Obi-wan’s student.
Dooku - Former Jedi, vague connection to Obi-wan, noble title, proper height. Far too old, however.
Grevious - Good robotification, but again not a Jedi and completely different attitude from Vader.
Windu - Good build and motivation, acceptable attitude, but too old and impossible as Obi-wan’s student.

Of these options, I feel like Dooku has the best chance despite the age problem. If he was masked, and had some sound effects to indicate parts of him were already robotic (and providing an explanation of his stiff movement), he could actually work with some creative editing.

For example, when Dooku is at Anakin’s mercy in ROTS, simply cut away before he is beheaded. Have Anakin say ‘I shouldn’t.’ Then deactivate his lightsabers off camera, with Palpatine saying ‘You did well, Anakin’. This would also make Palpatine not so obviously interested in Anakin as a Sithling. When Obi-wan wakes up in the elevator shaft and says ‘Did I miss anything?’ Anakin could say ‘Dooku.’ ‘Oh?’ ‘His fate will be the same as ours’.

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#1260099
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

The Wizard of Oz was an old guy hiding behind a curtain though. Luke really is a space wizard.

It’s all a matter of degrees. I would argue space wizardry has had a serious demotion in the ST, both in terms of what we can expect of it, and in terms of what it takes to become a space wizard.

I don’t know that feats of the Force have gotten more or less impressive in the ST, only that they’ve changed.

It’s true however that according to the ST you can become a powerful Force user in about a week.

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#1259921
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Just got around to watching the The Director and the Jedi.

Overall I appreciated it, but I couldn’t help but be reminded of the appendices for The Hobbit. In both cases the focus was on the scale and intricacy of the production, with the concepts and script treated as a given. By contrast, in the Lord of the Rings appendices there was a huge focus on the writing and adaptation, and it would have been so interesting to get the director’s perspective here as well.

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#1259896
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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John_ said:

Exactly. And it’s situational humor. He wasn’t cracking a joke for the sake of it, he was trying to buy time for his X-wing. It’s something that’s in line with what his character would do.

Granted that Poe’s attitude hasn’t changed, the substantial differences boil down to the length of the joke and how that joke paints the villains of the respective scenes.

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#1259096
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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SilverWook said:

We can’t say for sure Luke is dead when Episode IX might turn that scene on it’s head. After all, the mechanical hand didn’t vanish. 😉

Exterior: Space
Pan down to Ahch-To, First Jedi Temple at dusk.
LUKE’S mechanical hand appears, floating for a moment over the discarded cloak.
A Porg lands on the cloak, and the hand comes alive, brushing it away and snatching up the fabric, which disappears into thin air.

Interior: Lando’s Sail Barge
LUKE appears, hastily adjusting his cloak, before Rey.
REY: (Jumping up from her seat) You came out of nowhere!
LUKE: That makes two of us.

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#1259087
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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Something doesn’t sit right with the idea that the Force is limited by the physical vessel through which it is channeled, at least where the light side is concerned. It is my understanding from the OT that the limiting factor in any feat of the non-Dark Side Force is the belief of the acolyte, with training as a way to allow for greater belief. Luminous beings are we, after all, not this crude matter.

The Dark Side, on the other hand, may very well have some physical cost, as both of the Dark Side users in the OT were either horribly mutilated or clearly insane.

This is one reason why Luke’s death is so inexplicable to me.

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#1258480
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

Fang Zei said:

Did I miss this ghost Hayden rumor earlier when I was avoiding this thread for the first thirty or so pages, or is that just pure speculation on your part?

No, just my own speculation. I don’t think it would necessarily be a dig at the OOT or a validation of the 2004 version of ROTJ at all. Sebastian Shaw is long gone, and Hayden is someone who played Anakin. It’d maybe be a little silly to make him up to appear like Shaw, but I’d be okay with just not trying to pass him off as 23.

I’d only be truly happy with Force Ghost Anakin if he appeared like ‘god’ in The Final Frontier, cycling through images of Prowse, Shaw, Hayden, and Jones throughout the scene.

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#1258351
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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dgraham414 said:

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2018/12/episode-ix-rumors-timeline.html

I hope this isn’t true. Specifically the idea that Rey would just put the Skywalker lightsaber back together… it just seems like a cop out to the toxic side of the fandom.

Also Kylo just reconstructing his helmet. It’s just moving the story backwards instead of forwards…

Thoughts?

I think it is actually a neat idea to apply Kintsugi to Star Wars.

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#1257880
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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Mocata said:

fmalover said:

JokerRulez said:

Here’s the HUGE gamble Disney is making:

fmalover said:

Right now, the only thing I’m really looking forward to regarding Star Wars is Rian Johnson’s SW Trilogy, after all Johnson has earned my full trust with TLJ. I wish I could say I’m looking forward to The Mandalorian, but I don’t have Disney+.

Can anyone create a whole new SW experience that is still , … well, Star Wars?

There is no guarantee of success. Will mediocrity be enough? It’s the only way the film franchise can continue long-term so they’ll invest hugely in this while exploiting all other avenues to milk the franchise (TV, theme parks, comics, etc.).

Oh, in my opinion Rian Johnson is the wrong guy to do this next piece of work given the divisive reaction to his only entry. Need a uniter rather than someone always looking to subvert expectations.

JokerRulez

I don’t get why TLJ is so divisive.

TFA was such a huge letdown I had no expectations in regards to the following episode, and in fact I fully expected TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW. Once a friend confirmed it wasn’t like that I was genuinely excited, went to see the movie, and once the credits started rolling, left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

I don’t think Johnson was trying to subvert expectations, he was trying to come up with the best story he could write and direct, which he did brilliantly.

But there’s your audience division right there: people that thought TFA was a lame rehash and people that loved TFA because it fed into their self importance as fans. RO did the same thing. Then TLJ came along and did it’s own thing and that part of the fandom lost their minds because it stopped telling them they matter.

I think you’re on to something there. TFA went hard on nostalgia, essentially offering up one beloved Star Wars thing after another for the audience to remember and enjoy. It especially made sure that everything felt the same, even if it didn’t quite make sense due to the passage of time. It essentially said ‘your relationship with this is important and valuable’. Then TLJ comes along and says ‘nope, actually you’re a naive idiot for expecting everything to remain as it was’. And this in theory could be really good, but the story still needs to do the work of winning over an audience primed by TFA to see meaning and power in Luke, Snoke, Ren, the lightsaber, etc, etc.

If the reasons for negating TFA ring hollow, it risks negating the meaning of the story itself. That’s what I think has happened here. For some people, the reasons for Luke’s exile are insufficient, the explanation of Rey’s power fails to convince, the futility of Finn’s sacrifice is shot through with ambiguity, and so the center fails to hold.

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#1257785
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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fmalover said:

JokerRulez said:

Here’s the HUGE gamble Disney is making:

fmalover said:

Right now, the only thing I’m really looking forward to regarding Star Wars is Rian Johnson’s SW Trilogy, after all Johnson has earned my full trust with TLJ. I wish I could say I’m looking forward to The Mandalorian, but I don’t have Disney+.

Can anyone create a whole new SW experience that is still , … well, Star Wars?

There is no guarantee of success. Will mediocrity be enough? It’s the only way the film franchise can continue long-term so they’ll invest hugely in this while exploiting all other avenues to milk the franchise (TV, theme parks, comics, etc.).

Oh, in my opinion Rian Johnson is the wrong guy to do this next piece of work given the divisive reaction to his only entry. Need a uniter rather than someone always looking to subvert expectations.

JokerRulez

I don’t get why TLJ is so divisive.

TFA was such a huge letdown I had no expectations in regards to the following episode, and in fact I fully expected TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW. Once a friend confirmed it wasn’t like that I was genuinely excited, went to see the movie, and once the credits started rolling, left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

I don’t think Johnson was trying to subvert expectations, he was trying to come up with the best story he could write and direct, which he did brilliantly.

I think TLJ is divisive precisely because it seemed to be crafted to cater to those who found no interest in TFA. Everything set up in the Force Awakens, from the map to Luke to Hux and Snoke, to the Knights of Ren and Rey’s history, are all either ignored or confirmed as narrative dead-ends to be used at face value and then discarded. It is not that this makes TLJ bad. On the contrary, taken in isolation it works well. But TFA was the start of a very different story, and to follow it with this is like forcing the pieces of two different puzzles together. It doesn’t matter if Rian’s oil painting is better than the crayon imitation of Star Wars from JJ, when put together it still results in a royal mess.

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#1257697
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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This is all I’ve been able to find, most from years later:

https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/10/EpicCollections.jpg
http://chinese-starwars.com/jediarchive/expanduniverse/donald/donald/24_captain_pellaeon.jpg
http://www.battlegrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/expandeduniverse.jpg
Heir to the Empire

It did remind me of this commercial, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOV2dGdFbGk