Nerfherder

digitalfreaknyc said:

Nerfherder said:

I know the music was scored in '82 - I'm saying it's nice to be able to hear it now WITH the scene in question :)

And that dialogue is not re-used - it's all 'new' though certainly sounds familiar on a cursory listen.

 Nope. I listened to it 3 times.

The first 2 "luke's" are looped/exactly the same.

And the rest is re-used.

According to this link:http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swcs/main.html,

...it would seem that I was right.  Probably very little of this footage is actually old.

Yep the Lukes are definately looped. As for the rest I haven't heard it before - the intonation is slightly different to anything in the films even if the dialogue is very similar. However that link you posted isn't working unfortunately - are you saying the dialogue is from the holiday special?

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Fang Zei said:

That's what the most ridiculous part of Lucas' whole "it would be so expensive" comment is....

YOU'D BE SELLING IT FOR MONEY!!!!

I know - it's so insane it's ALMOST funny! The guy is just on another planet! If he did a 'Blade Runner style' box set for each film (original, 97, 2004 and workprint with all audio options) he'd make an absolute KILLING, PLUS all fans would finally be happy! It would make sound business sense too. He'd be back in the good books again. I really cannot see that it's anything other than sheer stubbornness which stops him from doing this. He knows the fans have been asking for the originals in decent quality for years, and yet still insists on throwing out vague scraps of information that MAYBE we'll get the originals in HD like he's doing us a big favor. The SEs have been done - what more work is he talking about that's costing him so much more money to release this set?!

The man has turned into a greedy businessman. Where are these experimental indie films he was meant to work on after the prequals were done and dusted? Where has his true love of film and his creativity gone? He just cannot stop tinkering with Star Wars, and not for the better either. If he had sense, he would have done episodes 7,8 and 9 with the original cast at least 10 years back. Lets face it we didn't know their stories (novels aside) whereas we kind of knew the prequal back stories before they were made. Would have been great to see the original cast back together again with somebody like Spielberg or Cameron at the reigns, or even Kershner again. What could have been......

Anyway I digress. I think a psychologist would have a field day with Monsieur Lucas!

I know the music was scored in '82 - I'm saying it's nice to be able to hear it now WITH the scene in question :)

And that dialogue is not re-used - it's all 'new' though certainly sounds familiar on a cursory listen.

Great. Yeah, it's expensive... But not to a billionaire.

My thoughts exactly - the guy makes me sick!

Ridley Scott managed to get 5 cuts of his film onto one superb and AFFORDABLE blu-ray set (including the workprint - imagine Lucas doing that with Star Wars), and I'm sure he's not as loaded as Lucas...

Right - so we have to wait until next year to get these on blu-ray, and an undetermined amount of time after that (if ever... the wording seemed ambiguous to me) to see the originals on blu - Gee George you're all heart!

He could afford to have the originals preserved easily - heck Mr Robert Harris said he'd preserve the films for a bargain price (or something like that - cannot remember the exact quote!).

What makes me SICK with Lucas is he releases the SE's first, and yet is obviously peppering them with deleted scenes from the originals just to get original fans who HAVE to have this stuff, to buy again. That cut scene with Luke is awsome - love how he looks like the emperor. Very ominous and a great intro. Nice to finally see how the soundtrack fits into the scene too. Instead of all the CGI crap and revisions he's made to the films he could have inserted footage like that instead. Imagine the joy film fans would feel knowing that footage (and more) was on a blu-ray via seemless branching featuring the original theatrical versions! Would really make it a special release.

He's the ultimate stubborn skin-flint - releasing both versions together could have been achieved with ease. But noooo he has to use the old money excuse again. The fact he is one of the richest filmmakers around and knows people that would restore these films for free means nothing evidently.

ARGHHHHHHHH!

Though seeing these cut scenes will undoubtedly be cool - and I will hire this out - the madness ends here. No purchase from me until the originals are given the treatment they deserve.....

Ah nice one - great stuff!:)

Knowledge is power, and the more people that see how Star Wars can still look the better!

Incidently which thread did you post it in? I can't seem to find it. Might be worth posting that link in the following thread to. It's probably the HTF Star Wars thread that will be viewed the most, especially once the Blu-ray becomes officially announced sometime next year (presumably!):

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/299868/star-wars-on-blu-ray-in-october-2011/120

I hope somebody with membership there posts a link to these screen shots over at the Home Theatre Forum. Would be great to remind those that care & who have contacts, or are in the industry what Star Wars can really look like... It just looks so sharp, crisp and vibrant! Amazing!

My God that print's a thing of absolute beauty isn't it!!! THAT'S EXACTLY how the future Blu-ray should look (or one of the versions anyway).

Looks like the pre-THX laserdisc had a colour balance which was pretty close to this print, apart from the un-darkened canyon scene.

Man by the looks of things they really did this print justice - black levels and contrast etc all look spot on. I wish I'd been there!

Wow amazing! A touch emotional too - I wonder if this is the last time the original version will ever be shown in a proper theatre?

Damn you Lucas!!!

adywan said:

Nerfherder said:

Arrived at the party late, so apologies if this has already been mentioned as a possibilty:

When the walker first collapses and the head hits the snow hard (perhaps an extra sound effect to reinforce the damage thats been done?) can you not instead show some energy 'sparks' around the entire head area (similar to force lightning) and this energy rapidly spreads to the main body which goes up with the aid of the snowspeeders firing upon it?

You're sort of close to what i have done to that shot , but i won't be saying what i have done until the film is released

Excellent can't wait to see how this looks :D

Arrived at the party late, so apologies if this has already been mentioned as a possibilty:

When the walker first collapses and the head hits the snow hard (perhaps an extra sound effect to reinforce the damage thats been done?) can you not instead show some energy 'sparks' around the entire head area (similar to force lightning) and this energy rapidly spreads to the main body which goes up with the aid of the snowspeeders firing upon it? This would then all make sense. Speeder pilot sees the possibility that the walker COULD blow from the energy discharges flashing around the head area and helps it on its way?

Nothing major would be needed to pull this off just some extra flashes around the head, possibly spreeding up the neck, and some extra sounds to help pull the illusion off? I'm sure Adywan could do this in his sleep ;)

- John

Haha that's SUPERB - extremely well done!

Looks like they even got two of the original masks out for the two characters about 23 seconds into it!! Haven't seen the original film for a few months but I think that's a new creature shot???

EDIT: My fault - that scene IS in the original. Just looked so clear! Sorry for the redundant post - nothing to see here ;)

Chewtobacca said:

Baronlando said:

The blu-ray world can't even agree on what a good disc should look like and how it should be done.

Isn't that the truth! 

Bill Hunt has failed to reply to me too on several occasions.  Why he puts his e-mail address up is anybody's guess.

Bit perplexing that Bill Hunt hasn't said anything on this (I've mailed him too) and yet he supports this on todays Bits news:

http://trekweb.com/articles/2010/06/05/TrekWebcom-Launches-Internet-Campaign-to-Restore-William-Shatners-Star-Trek-V-The-Final-Frontier-for-a-New-DVD-and-BluRay-Release.shtml

Still must be a busy man and perhaps there are 'political' reasons he's staying quiet on this for the time being...

WOW Nicholas those covers are beautiful - are they available for download yet please? That first cover is the poster I associate the most with Empire from my hazy memories of 1980!

I wish they'd use these poster designs for official releases - every post since 1997 just hasn't has that sweeping epic quality of the originals. Poster art seems to be a dying artform unfortunately :s

I'd love to get hold of the WAV version of the mono mix too since I've misplaced the DVD I had stored this on :s

Many thanks.

Damn I really envy you folks with fast internet connections - we're stuck with 512mb max (yep!) here :s Looks like I'm going to have to miss the party with this one and watch it a later date - curses!

It's have to be the GOUT for me this Friday - still much better than nothing :)

Just wanted to say a huge THANK YOU to hairy_hen for this release - was listening to it on my iPod late last night and instantly felt transported back all those years. Great job and I think you did the best work possible with the source files at hand - I could barely tell the joins, if at all.

It's been quite a Star Wars week already with ABC's terrific soundtrack releases, Adywan annoucing the De-SE'd Empire and this soundtrack. IF only Lucasfilm would show as much love and talent in their own releases ;)

Thanks again :)

Wow this looks amazing! Thanks so much for this unexpected 30th Anniversary treat

:)

Yeah what the hell... it's only money...

Last time I donate to a project though.

All that money people donated to this project and nothing to show for it - I think it's pretty disgusting to be honest...

p.s. incidently I remember reading an interview with the folks at Lucasfilm when the VHS remasters were first released here in the UK (the set that came out just before the 'Faces' edition, which were actually the same mastering, and came out just after the DE LD set). One of the technicians says that the scene with R2 being captured was always meant to be set at dusk, but the colouring of the previous releases hadn't been addressed. So they colour-timed (badly) that scene for the LD/VHS releases from 93.

The screen caps are definately from the GOUT, but there could be some scenes which were taken from other sources perhaps, that just aren't represented in these caps? I'd like to see the scene were R2 is captured by the jawas to see if it's daylight again, or the GOUTS terrible murky darkening of the scene, as well as the infamous '4 eyed stormtrooper' to see if there's any changes there.

"On the capture side, my own experience with the Goldring 1042 cartridge is mixed at best. My friend with a Linn Lp12 had one and I didn't like it at all. However, I have heard other needle-drops on the internet with it and it sounded great."

The G1042 cartridge really needs a more neutral platform to sound its best - the Linn LP12, whilst awsome for Rock and Jazz, isn't particularly special with classical or soundtracks, and is a pretty coloured sounding device - I sold mine on pretty quickly. The G1042 can sound a bit too exhuberant in the treble region, but with a bit of fine tuning it can sound great, as I hope my Star Wars LP captures proved ;)

LP sound is so subjective - even the most expensive decks in the world only capture a 'version' of what's buried in those tiny grooves. Personally I want the most natural sound possible, and that I can afford. I'm not interested in Hi-Fi pyrotechnics, just something that connects me emotionally with the original performance.

I shouldn't really announce this yet, but I have a mint copy of the Star Wars LP now (my third copy of it!) and bought a totally sealed 'new old stock' copy of Empire not so long ago. I am getting both of these professionally cleaned using a Keith Monks device, using this company: http://www.cjs.co.uk/cleaning.htm

I sold my Garrard 401 turntable after being given (lucky day!) a 301 which I prefer. I have now fully restored my Garrard 301 turntable (not a cheap undertaking!) and cartridge of choice is now the famous Denon 103R. These releases will be known as the Star Wars Trilogy Vinyl Soundtracks '301 Edition' after the turntable model number. I just need to get hold of a mint copy of the Jedi LP now. I won't make any 'announcements' until I have the records cleaned and am ready to proceed. Rest assured these will sound much better than my existing (7FN) versions ;)

- NH

P.S. Please NO PMs on these. If/when they are done (I am still suffering from a long term illness) I will let the relevant people know. This 'preservation' release will be for those that ALREADY OWN the soundtracks (purchased!) but wish to hear what the original & long out of print release(s) sounded like. ABC will be the first to hear them once completed.

Its definately a fault on the remix. It was also there in the broadcast versions of the SE, as well as the NTSC and PAL laserdiscs too. I think Ben Burtt just got a little too bass happy and cranked it up too much so that it JUST distorted in a few places. Interestingly it's gone again in the 2004 DVDs if I remember correctly (one of the few things they DID get right!). I've only ever listened to all of them in two channels so as you suggested must be the main channels only? My personal preference for this is the 1985 LD release - the LF rumble is there but not in your face like the 1997 remix.