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#1432174
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I’m suddenly remembering the scene in RotJ where a character speaking an alien language recounts the story of the previous movie to a cute group of childlike aliens.

This new puppet show is just making ST even more of an OT remake/knockoff lol. I think JJ would be proud we’re advancing his vision for the story.

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#1431987
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Tiny nitpick, but do we need the alien to say “Skywalker” three times, or even twice? The second time it says Skywalker, it sounded to me a bit like it’s just reusing the same audio as the first time he says it, maybe it’s just because he pauses after the word both times. Maybe I’m being silly, but I’m just thinking of what the alien actor’s “translated script” could have been and wondering how the same word is used so often in just one or two sentences. Maybe replace one with “Jedi?”

On that note, I also wonder if the voice actor (I forget who exactly, my apologies) couldn’t ham it up just a little bit with their cadence and tone to better match what’s happening on screen in the final cut. Maybe a quick dramatic pause before Luke deflects the blast, then a little flair and excitement in their voice when it happens. Like, in a way the kids could be laughing at how he’s telling the story, and not just at the visual of the puppets.

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#1428442
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal wants to release a Rey Nobody version of Ascendant, but all the work on the specifics of Rey Nobody is being done in a different thread for the benefit of all editors: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/REY-NOBODY-The-Official-Fan-Editing-Thread/id/76772

Any discussion or scene edits of Rey Nobody should go there. This thread is still about Ascendant 2.0 and will be until it is released, which could be a while.

I’m sure someone out there has an edit of the opening that goes from the title crawl to Kylo in his ship, but there’s not a Hal-made Ascendant version. That idea was discussed and rejected long ago.

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#1428159
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I think Leia appearing as a ghost in the Palpatine fight would hurt the payoff on Tatooine where Rey sees Leia, without adding enough to the Palpatine fight to compensate. Rey hearing Leia’s “always,” which Hal has already incorporated from the trailer, is satisfying enough without being distracting.

Maybe it’s just me, but when the ghosts appear against Palpatine, I see it as a kind of catharsis where these Jedi that have spent decades against The Sith are finally getting their due; Sidious is literally facing his ghosts. For Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Luke, that works and is satisfying enough, but for Leia? I’ve never had the impression from the movies that Leia and Palpatine had any real connection. Of course she was one of the major political and military opponents against the Empire as a whole, but she never had a big Jedi vs Sith connection, or a connection with Vader the way Luke did. Of course TROS finally introduces some more Jedi stuff for Leia, but in a fairly limited way, and if anything it felt more like the focus for Leia was on supporting Rey and saving Ben than battling Palpatine.

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#1428134
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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That many Jedi just makes it too comically busy, like I’d literally laugh if I saw that in the theater (as I did at many other things in TROS that this edit has tried to downplay). Qui-Gon died over a decade before the Emperor revealed himself and Windu doesn’t really have an emotional connection with the audience besides prequel nostalgia. Obi, Yoda, Luke, and Anakin are the ones that matter, and the only ones movie-watchers have already seen as ghosts.

Hal 9000 said:

Just have a regular, corporeal version of Ashoka walk in from stage right.

If Filoni had his way. Ahsoka is the Forrest Gump of Star Wars.

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#1427657
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Alright I believe that the Vader’s castle stuff is all we’re going to use out of all this, then. I can’t think of anywhere else in the movie where the rest of these things could go. Unless I’m not thinking hard enough.

Ach-To shot could be used if Hal didn’t want to use the existing one anymore, but it may not be worth the effort.

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#1427216
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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axlanian said:

https://vimeo.com/544409972
https://vimeo.com/544410005
https://vimeo.com/544410033 <— This is the fast one

Could 3P0’s line in the first video begin as soon as the scene cuts from Finn to the trooper? The initial silence of the transition is awkward, like something has clearly been cut. Maybe rework the trooper’s response to compensate, or take the time for 3P0’s line delivery to be slower and more natural.

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#1427003
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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sherlockpotter said:

Alrighty, Dagger discovery scene! The last time I tried to edit this clip, there was some concern that 3PO would know that this Sith artifact is the one they’re after. So I did a bit more dialogue tinkerage - now he thinks that “this must be the clue Master Luke was looking for.”

https://streamable.com/iy6dpe

There might be some subtle sync issues with the echoes in the cave, but I didn’t really notice until I muted the center channel and cranked the volume up, so I think it will be okay?

(You know, whether or not the other Dagger Vision components can be figured out, I do think that this scene and the new Jannah scene really help to smooth over some of the internal logic of the film. At least, that’s my impression.)

I like this a lot. The theatrical version felt almost like a parody, “what do you know, this random knife says exactly where the wayfinder is!” Just saying “this is the clue” is much better, and the quality sounds believably fine as far as I can tell.

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#1424680
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Brewzter said:

natestarwarsfan122 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

sherlockpotter said:

Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeader’s ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?

(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)

I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.

Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.

It’s actually explained well in the book Resistance Reborn by Delilah S Dawson. It seems dumb when randomly referenced in the novelization, but has a lot of emotional implications for Poe, that ROS evidently ignored.

Do you remember when it was in the book? I don’t remember that part and don’t have time to go back and reread the entire thing lol

It’s the overall main plot of the book. The First Order had been capturing the biggest Resistance allies as political prisoners in a wide-scale organized attack, including some notable names from previous books by other authors, and so Poe & Finn go to rescue them on Corellia while the main Resistance hides out on Ryloth and another team acquires new ships from the junkyard planet in Jedi Fallen Order.

It was actually kind of fun with characters from other canon EU stuff (Battlefront 2, Jedi Fallen Order, Bloodline, Aftermath), all coming together to prepare for the final movie (too bad about that, lol).

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#1423338
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Coming into this current discussion late, but was the “heads up” at the beginning of these clips always there? Because it sounds clearly added in post, and also… doesn’t make sense with the visual? We hear Poe (I think?) say “heads up,” but then he and the rest of the cast spin around in sudden surprise, like they all just hear the horse hooves at the same time and nobody actually said “heads up” in the scene because nobody was keeping watch.

Probably not worth doing anything about, especially if it’s been there since the theater and I never noticed it, but these clips all starting with that moment just made it stick out to me.

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#1421323
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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oojason said:

Part Two of the Deleted Scenes for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is now out!
 

Ooh, even more appropriate for this setting. Your video will make a fine addition to my collection.

Happy April Fools everyone, btw. The joke is that this thread has 11k replies and we’ll still probably debate the Mustafar scene again at some point. 😛

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#1420814
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A Batman v Superman Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Alright, here’s a “radical redux” idea:

Re-contextualize the senate stuff to be about the Black Zero event instead of Africa. Several edits have done this before. But then, move the entire Senate subplot to sooner in the movie, and push everything else back.

Black Zero flashback, the Wallace stuff, all of Lex and the Senator’s interactions, and a heavily edited version of the Africa scene that’s basically just Clark saving Lois on some adventure, all happens before Superman goes to appear before the capitol and the bomb goes off. Oh, and a little bit of Lois investigating her bullet from Africa, like getting a flight to DC from Perry and sending it to the lab.

During the bombing, Superman helps victims and looks sad at Lois, but don’t show him in the fire or fleeing the scene. Edit out any scenes with Mercy in the capitol. Lois tries to console Superman over his failure to see the bomb in an edited version of their hotel scene (he doesn’t say he wasn’t looking, obviously). Oh yeah… and remove implications that Lex was the one responsible, like the piss jar. Wallace should seem like the actual bomber, making a violent statement on Superman’s inability to save people.

After that, all the rest of the movie that’s still able to happen, happens, but now with new and somewhat more logical context. Lex only begins getting into Zod’s ship and importing kryptonite now that the person who was stopping him happens to be dead. Bruce only begins violently hunting for Lex’s kryptonite after being impacting by Wallace’s actions (Alfred’s “turns good men cruel” line takes a dark new context, huh?). Superman keeps trying to be Superman, occasionally saving people and mostly focusing on the violent turn the Batman has recently taken, but he’s very depressed the whole time and is having an existential crisis, which is actually understandable now given his failure at the capitol. And Lois is still investigating the bullet after learning that it’s a Lexcorp metal, which of course ultimately results in the big reveal and her solving the mystery that Lex was actually behind everything all along. And, as an incredibly minor “bonus,” Diana Prince can make her first appearance in Gotham after the events in DC have already occurred; Diana lived in DC in WW84, so perhaps the incredibly loose chronological audience interpretation could be that Lex swiped her photo while he was there and she has now followed him back.

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#1420800
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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If you’re interested in extra-canon context for your decision Hal, and forgive me if someone else mentioned this it previously and I missed it:

In an early set of leaks for the movie, the rest of which were ultimately confirmed to be true at various points of production, Lando explicitly was on Pasaana all this time, but not for the wayfinder. Jannah was planned to be his daughter, taken from him by the First Order on Pasaana, and he never left because he never found her.

Personally I’m fine with or without the line.

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#1420795
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

With the line removed, it is heavily suggested that Lando has pulled a Luke Skywalker over the past 20 years and has given up on everything. He is rotting away on a desert planet, and hasn’t left it since he was with Luke.

I didn’t get that implication at all in the movie. Luke was clearly very dour, but nothing about the way Lando acts in his scene implies he’s “given up” or “rotting.” If anything he’s pretty jovial. Maybe he stayed on Pasaana because he kept looking for the wayfinder, or maybe he hasn’t been on Pasaana this whole time and just comes back occasionally. Heck, maybe he’s there to party at the festival.

The “transmission” line does help take some of the coincidence out of the meeting, and I don’t think its existence contradicts with the previous movies (TLJ specifically mentions the Resistance has “allies” not present in the movie, and Snap is not in TLJ but is in TFA and TROS), but removing it doesn’t damage Lando’s character if Hal wants to remove it.