Obviously they meant the Star Trek Enterprise theme.
Hal 9000 said:
We currently have completed:
- Duel in Kylo’s quarters
- Duel on the DSII
- Everything on Exegol
Still needed are:
- Opening training sequence (I can’t boot into Sierra right now to check, but it claims to be created last year so I think this is just kewlfish’s original, but it could be from Luka Frik and be finished)
- Underground with the worm, and faceoff with Kylo’s TIE
- “I think you’re okay” on Kijimi
Care to explain these changes in more detail please? 🙂
That’s just a list of all scenes where the Skywalker saber is lit. The first three already have the crackling effect added to the blade by editors here, the last three don’t have finished crackling effects yet.
Could the whole scene be rescored? Or are the dialog and music too heavily integrated into the same audio channels?
It’s one of the most impressive special effects shots I’ve seen in this edit (not to lessen any other work that’s been done), especially given the original scene is practical effects in broad daylight.
And any references to TLJ Luke that can be put in this thing greatly improve the continuity. I’ve said it before, but probably the single most baffling thing about all of TROS is that TLJ ended with Luke’s legend spreading hope across the galaxy, TROS ends with individuals from across the galaxy uniting together, and there is NO direct connection between the two. It’s like TROS was written by… no one?
What’s currently incoherent/unpresentable? Are you keeping some spots open for yet-to-be-finished additions, or are there bits and pieces of incomplete changes already integrated?
Not that I’m in a rush on the “v1.5” idea. We’ve already waited this long, and 1.0 is still solid for showing newbies.
Took five minutes to find a sound effect and threw it on Sherlock’s clip, so here’s my example of what I’m suggesting, in case anyone’s curious:
I’ll try that when I get the chance - the hum of a lightsaber that’s just been activated might be enough to disguise it successfully. The ignition sound doesn’t even need to cross over the dialogue, the hum would be a better sound anyway.
Edit: I misunderstood your comment, BUT, I think the way I interpreted it might solve the problem! I’m imagining:
“And I…” (SNAP-hiss, vrmmm) “…am a Jedi.”
I’d be curious to hear this version too, but I’m not sure there’s enough time visually, as we see her un-ignited saber til right before she talks.
Relies on the surrounding rescue of Chewie being re-edited a bit but I like keeping this sequence intact anyway: https://vimeo.com/549085906
That’s really solid! I like that version a lot.
A sudden thought upon rewatching that “I am a Jedi” clip: could we get a noticeably audible Skywalker Saber ignition sound in there?
When she catches Anakin’s/Luke’s/Rey’s saber behind her back, it’s turned off, and then when things go silent and she says “… am a Jedi,” she pulls it up already turned on. I think it would be nice if, after she says “I am a Jedi,” right as she pulls up the saber, we hear it loudly ignite off-screen as the sound that breaks the silence of the moment (rather than the growing crackle of the lightning).
It would really solidify her declaration of being a Jedi, and the idea that she’s taking up the Skywalker legacy, if in that moment we clearly hear that iconic, distinctive lightsaber sound, for the final time.
Chase Adams said:
Somehow I feel like V4 worked a little better…
Can’t speak for everyone else though.
I agree here. I think ideally, I’d like a v4 (the “end” seems to hit harder there) with a very brief pause after “Leia told me…” for dramatic effect.
However, I personally think v4 or v5 are now passable enough in execution, and worth it as a concept, that the line should be added to the movie, either in its current state or in a further-improved version.
Since Hal seems to like v5 enough, I vote upgrading the line’s status from “Things being considered” to “Things waiting on others,” with the final product being whenever Sherlock is satisfied.
There has been a little talk before about possibly doing a “v1.5” later in the year, but that’s all ultimately up to Hal, both with his satisfaction with the project and his availability to work on it. Some of this stuff is pretty close to completion, though, so maybe a bit more patience would be best (or a few more talented volunteers, and fewer peanut-gallery members like myself).
The crackling saber has proven especially challenging, passing through several hands due to the scale of the project and irl personal priorities. Movies Remastered at least is still active on the forum, but I’m not sure if they’ve had time to work on it lately, or how much is left to be done on the project as a whole.
Guys, what about the island scene? What’s left to complete it?
According to the front page:
Leia sensing the end of her Jedi path. Sherlockpotter was working on it earlier this week and it seems to be going along well. The v4 is sounding really great.
Luke’s haircut. Jonh has been gone since May, probably busy with real life, but last we heard he was still working on it.
Agreed with Jar Jar. Captain Hux isn’t seamless enough to pass yet imo.
I wonder if it might sound more natural, should no other option be available, by removing the “Hux.” Kylo says “Captain?” and Hux timidly answers, still getting the point across. Maybe with a slightly longer pause before “Captain?” in this scenario.
I never minded him being General, personally, though I appreciate the idea behind the demotion.
Puppet show is excellent btw.
Size definitely played a part in it. The Supremacy was sliced like a knife (though the debris went crazy), so it’s clear that a collision results in a ship-sized puncture rather than completely atomizing the target as some people speculated.
There’s any number of other factors potentially at play too. The Supremacy’s shields were likely at low power or even off due to pursuing at max speed while firing volleys at their target, and the Resistance ship was close enough to collide during the start-up of a light-speed jump before properly entering hyperspace. Who knows, a second more of preparation by Hux may have foiled the whole thing.
Which is exactly why I, and others, dislike that line in TROS. As Hal9000 mentioned in his notes for his edit, the “Holdo maneuver” being extremely impractical in most combat situations should already be understood by the characters in-universe. The critical nerdy audience may say “why don’t they just do that all the time,” but the obvious answer is “because they normally can’t.” We didn’t get characters saying “why don’t we just kamikazee the Death Star at light speed” in A New Hope, and we didn’t need them to say that; they studied the building plans, they know how lightspeed works, and they came to a non-kamikazee solution based on their knowledge, and none of those details matter to the audience.
Not to mention the chipper delivery and naming of the move are horrible in context of the scene. “Why don’t we just commit a bunch of suicide bombings, like that admiral that had to make a split-second sacrificial decision in a horrible lose-lose situation? Mass suicide bombings is a good plan for us to come up with now, while we’re sitting safely at our base concocting a strategy for a future battle, with very few ships in our fleet, and no pilot droids who could do it for us, if droids’ programming even lets them do that. So who’s volunteering first?”
The line is purely an awkward, out-of-place 4th-wall wink to fans that hate that the maneuver even exists, so why even have the line at all to remind people?
oh god how i crave for this V2 lol
This really is an incredible project. Even if we never finish Luke’s haircut or the crackling saber or the various weekly-debated new ideas, the list of already completed stuff for v2 is astounding, on top of the existing 1.0 already being a surprisingly big improvement over the theatrical.
Hal 9000 said:
See the OP for things I’m waiting on from others.
Was the puppet show not completed? Or has it just not been exported yet?
Click on the link, 'twas a joke I believe. At least I hope so.
Yeah lol. I looked up the line on Youtube and found this thing, and found that it was shockingly relevant to this thread, so there you go. Apparently the guy’s whole channel is Star Wars “what ifs?,” and it seems this particular one was a joke video.
Hal 9000 said:
Just mute the whole line.
Unfortunately this can’t be done, as it creates a massive hole in the logical progression of the character-driven storytelling.
Plus Leia works better as a retcon for the scene in Empire where Luke talks to her through the force. Post-ROTJ, now it kinda looks like Leia sensed Luke with her latent abilities, and not just that Luke reached out to the only human he knew was nearby.
Out of the Shadows isn’t a terrible name if you really want a sentence
That’s not bad. Hal did use book titles for his prequels after all, though OotS is a High Republic book and not a IX tie-in. Which is just as well; I think the only big IX tie-in was Resistance Reborn, which isn’t a great movie subtitle.
Hal 9000 said:
Out of Darkness
If I was making a TROS edit that changed the title, I’d unironically pick this one. Both for the sentence thing and to purposefully reference Abrams’ other terrible sci-fi franchise sequel that brings back a classic villain in a bad way and has the protagonist come back to life at the end.
It also just sounds like a good pulpy sci-fi title and fits TROS really well, better than it did Trek’s actually. The Final Order coming out of the darkness of Exegol and the unknown regions, Palpatine returning from death, Rey learning and rejecting her dark heritage, and Kylo coming back to the light.
I don’t think it’s necessary to change anything. Nothing is stated outright, it’s just kind of a lighthearted jab from Yoda leading into his serious lesson.
Luke could just have easily been about to say “Well, it’s been a while,” or something to that effect.
Luke kept his journal in his hut, with his wallet and valuables. Rey just robbed him blind.
A lifetime of scaveging is hard to break.
I don’t think it’s an issue. Luke’s journal was among the Jedi texts Rey took, the rest of which were ancient. No contradiction.
And Luke technically never said he didn’t read the books. More likely Luke read them at some point, but perhaps decades ago, and has not remained devotional.
That’s not how the memes work!
Hm, it’s pretty subtle, but I do think it’s an improvement. Of course, because it is subtle, don’t feel like you need to go too out of your way if implementing it proves difficult. The movie’s still great as is!
BTW, sorry if, between this and the TROS thread, I tend to be too critical without having much to offer. I don’t intend it, but I’ve noticed lately that I have a habit of only chiming in on this site to say “I’m not sure about that idea/execution.” You’ve done incredible work on all of your edits, as have the others here who have offered their talents.