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#1504126
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Star Wars Episode II: The Approaching Storm (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

maybe my commentary track sheds light on it around that part of the movie.

Yes, it does.

Your reason was that it seems weird to show a scene where Yoda sense Anakin’s pain only for Yoda to then do nothing about it.

I’d say that’s true, and you implied this, both from a character perspective and from a storytelling perspective. Obviously it’s strange to see that Yoda knew Anakin was suffering (and doing terrible things) and never acted on that information in the future, but it’s even stranger that there is no payoff to the scene of any kind, as if the scene was just thrown in at random.

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#1491574
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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For what it’s worth, I don’t think Kenobi necessitates an update of LoE. The kid-killing scene in RotS is so unintentionally comical that it might be better to, in the limited context of your edits, leave the idea that Vader killed child Jedi as a dark revelation that happens in Kenobi. After all, Kenobi does treat that scene as a dramatic revelation already, just for a character other than Vader.

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#1491568
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

I got a translation already, but I appreciate the offer!

‘Rey Nobody’ is 100% live and available in the usual places. 😄

OP updated with changelist for this alternate version.

Congrats Hal! With this and the TLJ fix uploaded, would you say that all of your current Prequel and Sequel uploads are in their “final” state for the foreseeable future?

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#1490095
Topic
Worst Edit Ideas
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Really it’s just an unnecessary EU-esque silliness. Luke’s aunt and uncle were old and overprotective and a bit distant (they don’t have a parent-son relationship), and their death is a tragedy but also frees Luke to go on his adventure. Including a detail that implies they were inexplicably capable in combat in their final off-screen moments adds nothing to the story of the film or how the audience is intended to react in the moment.

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#1489728
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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Octorox said:

For ROTS, it’s worth pointing out that continuity with The Clone Wars pretty much requires the original “Plot to destroy the Jedi” scene at the war table.

I wouldn’t say it’d required. We can just have two different scenes in two different media, instead of the same scene appearing in two media. I don’t think anything’s invalidated by saying both scenes happened in this “canon.”

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#1483814
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Notes after skimming through to look at the changed scenes:

  • I noticed Rey’s first vision during her training scene still has her shooting blue lightning out of her hands. Is that left deliberately (artistically or due to technical limitations) or is that something that will be changed in the final release?
  • When Rey sees Ochi’s ship in the desert, where the “I’ve seen that ship before” line has been cut, I wonder if her reaction shot could be tightened up just a bit more? It works without the line, but it still lingers on her staring inquisitively long enough that a new viewer might wonder what she’s thinking. Again, it still works as is, but since the ship is purely a macguffin in this cut of the movie and not a payoff to TFA, it might be best to minimize any hint of a larger picture.
  • I don’t know if this was in previous versions of the movie and I just somehow didn’t notice before, or if it was discussed before and I don’t remember, but at timestamp 1:25:42, when Luke is sitting down next to Rey, I can clearly see Rey’s lips moving despite not having any dialog. I wonder if the scene could be restructured at all to avoid that. Luke saying “Rey, confronting fear is the destiny of the Jedi” is about 6 seconds long (a tad shorter if you reduce the pause after “Rey…”), so if he starts talking around 1:25:36, during the close-up of Rey’s face before he sits down, it would go fast enough for you to cut to the next shot right as Luke is in position before Rey’s mouth begins to move. But maybe we’ve already gone over this and decided the scene would be too rushed that way or something.
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#1481514
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The Final Order - A no Leia/Rey Nobody TROS edit by Spence (Completed)
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He could just be referring specifically to FO troopers flying, not troopers in general. And nothing from the Clone Wars matters because 3P0’s memory was wiped by Bail Organa at the end of RotS.

The only problem I’ve ever had with the line was Finn repeating it as a question, like he wouldn’t know. That implies more heavily than anything that FO jet packs are a very new tech in TROS, which EU lore will probably disagree with at some point. If only 3P0 says the line, I think that’s fine, as I don’t imagine he’s seen the front lines often during his time in the Resistance.

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#1481057
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released)
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I’ve got mixed feelings about that scene. It doesn’t really add brand new information regarding Luke’s motivations, it just lays them out a bit more obviously. It’s also yet another scene of subversion and comic relief in an already long movie that’s already packed with both.

More than either of those, though, it’s a bit odd tonally to imply that not only was Luke not alone in his exile (a big reason Hal removed the caretakers in the first place), but also that they had a monthly party while he was there. It only makes it look more like Luke is running away from his responsibilities for purely selfish reasons, when really his self-exile is supposed to be a form of tragic sacrifice (he’s determined that the Jedi only make things worse, so he’s carrying the burden of the religion to a lonely grave).

Also, just to nitpick, this is technically a continuation of the second lesson scene, not a third lesson. The third lesson never officially occurs, which I think is a deliberate decision on Rian Johnson’s part to leave things open to interpretation. Perhaps the third lesson is the one Rey has to learn for herself when she leaves, or the third lesson is one that Luke himself has to learn from Yoda, or maybe it’s when Luke returns to the light and teaches Rey and Kylo something with his sacrifice. Heck, with TROS, maybe the third lesson is literally when Rey returns to Ach-To and Luke gets to teach her one last time.

Anyway, if Hal decides to add that scene back in I won’t mind terribly, but I don’t think Rian was wrong for cutting it. Much like the alternate Phasma death scene, it’s arguable that it distracts more than it really adds.

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#1480720
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released)
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Legendary’s more conservative take has always been more my speed. The only big thing I really miss is Finn vs Phasma (Finn’s only “win” pre-9), but I get cutting it for pacing reasons at least, and it’s done cleanly enough with the deleted scenes and new special effects that it doesn’t hurt the cinematic experience. As opposed to, say, Rekindled’s handling of Finn & Rose on Crait, which is a terrific effort for a fan edit but doesn’t quite feel like something the theater would have shown.

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#1480500
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The Final Order - A no Leia/Rey Nobody TROS edit by Spence (Completed)
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I truly believe this movie was maybe 2 more drafts away from being very good. The worst thing that happened to it was trying to hit the December release date. If they had given them 6 months longer to get it right, we’d be having very different conversations about it. There’s a ton of good ideas in it, but none of them really quite land.

Frankly I’m not sure why they didn’t borrow more from the Duel of the Fates script they already had (more than they already borrowed from it, that is). There were some elements in there that didn’t jive well, like the embracing-darkness “grey jedi” stuff, and of course Leia’s material would need to be minimized, but overall it did a much better job paying off character arcs and plot threads. And not just the threads of previous movies, but its own too; for example, TROS borrowed Lando’s thousand-ship-fleet and the life-essence-transfer stuff from DotF, but didn’t even try to set them up in a natural way (which DotF did). It’s all very baffling.

Anyways, for a final cut, I wonder if there’s a more subtle audio track you could use for Kylo’s moment on the Death Star. The Force Theme in your clip feels a bit… whimsical? Something a little more thematically specific to the scene might be ideal; maybe there’s something quieter from Rey & Kylo’s scenes together in TLJ, or an appropriate moment from “Ben’s theme” (the different-key Kylo’s Theme) if one exists. The little bit that plays during his death (around one minute into the track “Farewell”) comes to mind, especially since an angrier version of Kylo’s theme plays earlier in the Death Star scene. It’d be reusing music from the same movie, but it could be acceptable since the Death Star scene is, in a way, “Kylo Ren’s death scene.”

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#1480487
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The Final Order - A no Leia/Rey Nobody TROS edit by Spence (Completed)
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SpenceEdit said:

Time for some clips!

The Force Bond Duel
https://vimeo.com/696759375

The Death Star Fight
https://vimeo.com/696759509

Rey V Palpatine (lots of credit to bbghost on this one)
https://vimeo.com/696759576

The End
https://vimeo.com/696759536

This is some cool stuff! I’m surprised how convincingly this version of the Force Bond Duel sells, purely on Rey’s inner anger.

And making Kylo’s hesitance on the Death Star based on his connection with Rey, rather than Leia’s interference, makes the scene so much more personal. There’s a great sense of continuity there with the previous movie, and Rey being scared by her own actions is more believable without the distraction of Leia; Rey is confronted with the terrible realization that, in that moment at least, she has less self-control and more hatred than Kylo himself, and there’s no excuse for it.

As for Rey vs Palpatine, I find it interesting in how the theatrical version’s weakness has only become more pronounced after these fan edits. Jonh/HAL 9000’s of course was immediately well-received for being more fan-servicing, loosely addressing the unspoken issue of Palpatine’s immortality, and aiming to better satisfy as the ending of a 9-movie saga. But even going in the complete opposite direction, yours ends up more character-driven, personal, and in continuity with the trilogy’s greater arc of Rey’s self-validation (and reminds me just a bit of Duel of the Fates’s equivalent scene). With both extremes proving more effective, the original theatrical’s middle-ground option of “voices but not ghosts” just looks… weak, even though I didn’t dislike it on my initial viewing.

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#1480173
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Funny that you mention that, as I found myself wishing the ST had been a bit sillier. Lego AotC and RotS are extremely silly, and had many of my favorite moments in the game. They also sell the Anakin/Padme romance way better than the movies, with the Clone Wars voice actors as a bonus.

Still, the saga as a whole is done very well, and it’s a wonderful experience getting to free-roam around the galaxy. There’s a lot of stuff in there for fans; one of my favorites is the inclusion of the caretakers’ village and dance-festival on Ach-to, which is from the deleted “lesson three” scene of TLJ. The playable character roster makes some fun choices too, like Mister Bones from the Aftermath trilogy.

Keeping things a bit more relevant to this thread, I’ve definitely been keeping an eye out as I play for any things that remind me of Hal’s edits. Anakin and Padme sleeping together (in separate bunks, lol) without arguing the night before, Anakin not telling Padme about the sand genocide, and Anakin having less hesitation on executing Dooku come to mind. Granted, a lot of that comes from how rushed it all is, but hey, at least rushing all the episodes makes TROS blend in better.

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#1474701
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Burbin said:

The unused material would probably expose the film’s rushed development and lack of direction.

I definitely think it’s this. There are probably deleted scenes that contradict the finished story, as opposed to most Star Wars deleted scenes that were just cut content or alternate versions of the same story.

Like, remember the Finn vs Phasma alternate take that was deleted in TLJ? Imagine that, but Rose gets killed by Phasma, or maybe Phasma joins the Resistance. The fanbase would freak out and spend the rest of time complaining about missed opportunities (you know, moreso than we already do).

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#1463372
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

Also… y’all really gonna make me have to spell out the hidden special surprise in this release, huh?

OH SNAP, I didn’t even think to check at first, but this comment made me take another look: there’s a new commentary track! With MoviesRemastered, RogueLeader, and SherlockPotter!

Christmas really came early this year! I love your commentaries on all your edits, Hal, and I’m looking forward to listening to this new group one.

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#1463289
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Congratulations on the edit, Hal (and everyone)! I think I might have watched v1 too many times to fully appreciate the scale of the current cut; might need to rewatch the theatrical TROS for a proper comparison. That said, that’s probably the only reason I’d watch the theatrical now, as this project really is something special. I still hope, in vain I’m sure, that Lucasfilm will someday release deleted scenes, but thanks to the people in this thread, the end of the saga is in a much better place now than it was two years ago.