Threw together a quick little teaser trailer for this project.
Maybe something that would come out in the week before this hypothetical arc would premiere, if this were actually the finale of Andor. Wanted to use mostly shots that didn’t “spoil” too much, and also felt in line with the new vibe.
Genuinely so long ago I don’t remember, unfortunately. The version of NCC I have on my drive right now doesn’t even have the padawan screams anymore.
If any of you could PM me with links to any older versions of this edit, that would actually be super helpful! I was remaking this earlier this year and am going to get back to it eventually, but I realize across everyone who’s ever asked, is like 16 versions. I was happy with it somewhere around 10 and 14, probably; like three laptops and a few hard drives ago. And even, only some unmade combination thereof would have been the ideal bow
When I get back into it, I would want to stick close to the one people are probably talking about when they say “NFBisms’ New Canon Cut”
Well, now you are going back on your initial first post that you removed, so that’s not completely true now, is it?
I withdrew it (before you had responded then btw) because I felt you would interpret it that way, and didn’t want to do exactly what we are doing now lmao. It wasn’t until your reply that I decided I should reframe it to you more fairly, since you had apparently seen it already anyway.
Now, how long are agendas going to be the focal point rather than the film, and tell me, how is that going for them over there?
I just think this is silly. “Agendas” are only the focal point of film if you have brainrot framing it that way to you every time, if you’re looking to be upset about it. And I get if it bothers you, but to prop it up as the problem with the film industry / Disney is laughable, especially when every dipshit decision Bobs Chapek and Iger have made is a matter of public record. Pandering is one spineless tool in Disney’s vast chest of unprincipled means, choosing to die on that hill alone is silly.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think you hate women, the anti-woke position is just silly. I think you’re being incurious, not bigoted. It’s not like me and Nev are pro-Disney
don’t project your fixation on it as everyone else’s
ah right, so if only Ant-Man Quantumania promoted Evangelline Lilly they would have made billions more dollars
What? Can you guys read? My problem isn’t female involvement. Any female can make anything as good as a man can and vice versa. My problem is that that is the focal point of the article and often also Disney when it should be about the story and the characters.
Since when did America and their corporations go so off-rail that gender equality and politics in film and tv media started mattering more than the story? THAT is my point. From a European standpoint it makes Hollywood look like a bunch of madmen (and madwomen, equality).
Best faith reading of your response I can muster: Disney is marketing wrong, they should have released an article about Story and Characters.
but elaborate what are you saying here:
the right person with the right passion and the right knowledge
How does (in the best faith reading of your response) a desperate, pandering marketing tactic exclude this possibility?
I feel like this is such a tired talking point because there are way less examples of this than any of you can specifically point out. I’m not denying Disney is falling off hard, and I’m glad for it, but the casually inoffensive left-y politics that make it into a trade article here or there have never been the “sole” tool. You see it once and get all up in arms about it, that says more about you than it does Disney. What is Ant-Man Quantumania’s excuse
Disney is spineless and has no principles or ideology, they’ll promote on any and as many broad terms as they can. If you’re going to attempt analysis of the business, you have to go after more than their empty rhetoric. there’s hundreds more valid criticisms than the (weak) stuff that puts you off personally
With the approval comes yet another slightly new release (V5) per some FE guidelines and approver feedback. More or less the same as what you might’ve seen already, just a bit more polished (higher bitrates, fuller stereo) and simple disclaimer at the front of each episode.
.mkv, with snooker’s subs now embedded
Leave a review if you want to!
Speculation because it’s fun:
When Luthen’s bolsheviks are inevitably split from Mon and Bail’s mensheviks, I think Mon will do so in part by leveraging religion as the basis of the Alliance.
We know that the younger generation of Chandrilans (esp on Coruscant) are more conservative than Vel and Mon’s generation, and the Empire is starting to stamp out local customs in the wake of Aldhani. Leida’s mystic tradwife fixation - as negatively as that is portrayed - is still a rebellion in this context (wouldn’t be exempt from PORD), and I think Mon will begin to take advantage of that. The Force and other fundamental mysticism could become a political tool for a religious [or more broadly, cultural] revolution against a coldly secular Empire; rebellion gaining favor and involvement from younger generations like the Chandrilan youth, even students (similar to Nemik) opposed to Imperial seculonationalist hegemony - sorta like the Iranian revolution.
“May The Force Be With You” becomes a common rebel refrain. A wider populace is definitely onboard by Rogue One, not just the convicts, criminals, or tragically displaced that we [mostly] started with in Andor.
Importantly, Mon Mothma’s vibes between BBY 5 and BBY 0+ are very different. If the old ways of Chandrila are the deal with the devil she makes in season 1, I think she will continue to make that deal as a political face of this rebellion. The frumpy modesty of her ROTJ look might now read as martyrdom in old Chandrila’s tradcatch ideology; she’s renouncing the materialism of an Imperial Senator, re-committed to the Old Ways.
My theory is that this will be a big source of the sectarian rebel tensions in the lead-up to the Alliance. Like I alluded to above, Luthen is basically a bolshevik accelerationist. Revolution on his terms is dirty, brutal, and spearheaded by a professional vanguard of gangsters and spies. Mon’s canonical call for Open Rebellion is the inevitable clash with that clandestine exclusivity, but I think what’s added to it with the development of a culture and religion rally, is that for once there might be a tangible, coherent ideology to the so-called “Alliance to Restore The Republic”, one that addresses what exactly makes The Empire more evil than the Old Republic.
It’s always been a fandom talking point that Palpatine’s Clone War Republic was already The Empire, but this route would clearly define “A Republic” as an intergalacticist aspiration, not just a misguided return to what failed before. The Force unifier as culture commonality, not just faith in Jedi or magical will. Empire dilutes and destroys heritage and identity, that’ll be the populist throughline of the rebellion, pre Death Star.
Andor’s already made a really solid examination of imperialistic genocide in real terms (displacement, culture loss / limit) and not just overt violence with everything that happens on Aldhani and Ferrix. My hope for season 2 is that those threads are picked up in a real way further, the pieces are all there.
I could probably help out!
Alright, a few relatively minor updates to the version 4.0s:
The durations should be unchanged, so if you still have the old subs, just rename them to the correct version.
For the most part, I shouldn’t revisit until season 2.
FE wants me to make a 5.1 mix, but that’s going to take a while given pretty much all of this was rebuilt from the ground up in stereo - so in the meantime, I can toy with a full movie version (though I still rec these!), and then export out a file without any score for anyone who wants it.
Unpopular opinion - I don’t like their depiction, but as depicted in the movies, the prequel Jedi that people call “dogmatic,” “flawed,” “political,” “cold,” etc. were right about a lot of things.
They can be right and still be all of those things.
And now we have subtitles, thanks to the amazing snooker! I’ve added those .srt files to the Google Drive folder for anyone that wants them too.
Alright, just uploaded versions I’m happy to sit with and send out until Andor season 2, a few minor tweaks from the previous to address some of RL’s points above (bats, OG score bleed, staff hits, foley volume).
“Jedha”: v3.8 v4
“Stardust”: v3.2 v4
“Rogue One”: v3.1 v4
Thank you so much for these! I was holding off on “finalizing” until I had at least heard from you, you always have really thorough feedback. A lot of this is already helping tie up those technical odds and ends; I don’t think I have it in me to keep rewatching these for that small stuff (hell, that was the whole process already) so the extra eyes really helps. Relieving that they seemed fine for the most part to everyone already.
I do agree about waiting until season 2 to finalize, but for now “final” to me is about not having to think about this for a while. I didn’t exactly have the healthiest relationship to my previous ongoing edits tbh. For that, I think I’m just going to let go of some of the more radical / alternate stuff I might have been interested in, at least for now. A lot of what you pitched does sound enticing though! Esp. your second ending pitch. When I have the space in my head and life for it, I’d love to help realize some of these somewhere.
I’ll respond to some of the more specific points below:
When I rewatched episode 1 on my phone at max volume, I noticed the sound of bats chirping a lot during in the scenes at Saw’s base. Sort of noticeable/distracting but not terrible.
I was actually wondering if “bats” to denote “cave” was a little too much lol. Can definitely reduce them.
I feel like the added shots during the rebel briefing do stick out a little.
I can live with that, that one shot I replaced of Jyn with a smile[?] on her face never worked for me, especially as the lingering closer to the exchange. Just never tracked to the prior conversation’s tone.
I am overall impressed by your music choices. I thought the music choice when Jyn and Cassian arrived to Jedha was pretty inspired, since the music has a slight “Arabia” vibe, which is appropriate considered Jedha was filmed in Wadi Rum. I also really loved the music choices for Galen’s death, and Cassian’s speech till the end of that episode. Really great.
This reminds me I should release a tracklist.
The Jedha arrival in particular is actually “Lebanon” by Cho Young-wuk from Park Chan-wook’s The Little Drummer Girl (2018) miniseries, which I highly recommend. I actually got on keyboard to play some notes from it as synth, just to better blend it to the the rest of the Andor OST lol
I think you’ve done an impressive job emulating the original score with Brittell’s work at times, and overall giving it the Andor vibe. I will say that I initially felt some of the music choices didn’t have the same “emotional weight” as the original tracks, like Your Father Would be Proud. I have rewatched bits and pieces of the episodes on my phone during and those moments that initially had less impact than the theatrical have grown on me more.
I was feeling similarly, but I figured, eh, it’s a novelty edit at the end of the day, the point isn’t to outdo the original, and ultimately Andor’s vibe is just less theatrical anyway. I actually insulated myself from the original score entirely by episode 2 so as to stop comparing the two. Glad to hear it’s grown on you.
I may be wrong but I think I noticed you re-inserted Chirrut’s line, “Is your foot alright?” between V1 and V2. I don’t have strong feelings either way about it but I’m curious why you decided to add it back in.
Also, I wonder if Chirrut’s staff hitting the troopers could be given a little more umph here and there. Sometimes it sounds like he is tapping them pretty lightly instead of hitting them so hard he is knocking them out.
I had to redo all the foley for that scene between the two versions because I felt V1’s sound work was really sloppy all around. I too didn’t really have strong feelings either way about it, which is why I didn’t bother cutting it the second time around. Good call on the staff hits.
You may interested, but I know there is an unused shot of the little girl Jyn saved looking up in the sky when the Star Destroyer is leaving that you could re-add to this version of the film if you wanted. There are a few other unused shots that could be useful here and there as well.
I would be interested in just seeing what you have at all, even if I don’t end up using them.
An opportunity for this edit: In the Partisan prison cell, Cassian says, “This is the first for me” in regards to being “worst cages than this”. This feels a little contradictory knowing that he has been in some pretty bad cages. You could argue he is being deceptive about his past, or being sarcastic, but I feel like with the added context of Andor, it would be better to alter this line to, “This isn’t the first for me” if possible.
Honestly, this never bothered me and I think Andor actually makes the scene work better for me personally. I like that it’s overtly not the truth now, particularly for the moment when Chirrut calls out that he is carrying a prison with him. It plays more like Cassian taken aback by some mysticism (he is probably carrying Narkina with him), as opposed to him being surprised Chrirrut said something poignant. Just feels a bit more in character.
I always felt like it was less about having been in cages before anyway, and more about Chirrut’s premise to relax. From Cass’ perspective, is he supposed to say “You’re right, I have been in worse cages too, I shouldn’t care about being held against my will”? It feels fitting for him to say something wry that minimizes the conversation through Chirrut’s own terms.
I think if this was a movie edit, I would suggest removing all Bodhi scenes before Cassian finds him (and you removed all but one already), but with this episode format I wonder how it would feel if the following Bodhi scene when he meets Saw was back-to-back with his first scene. You could still cut the Bor Gullet scene, but maybe you could subtitle Saw when he says Bor Gullet, and it could mean, “Torture him.” Or something like that, to explain why Bodhi is in a daze when Cassian finds him.
I was wondering if maybe the Saw scenes would actually play better in Andor’s new context. This is mostly for the potential / inevitable post-season 2 revisit, but season 1 already lays groundwork for Saw’s further descent into madness and paranoia. Maybe season 2 could make the Rogue One scenes land better as the final beats of a fleshed out arc.
As it is though, I still don’t see too much value in including all of them. Bodhi being in a daze contrasted to his first lucid scene tells enough of the story IMO, as does Saw’s brief distrust of Jyn’s reappearance.
I can totally understand if you want keep this edit pretty similar to the original film beyond a few trims, but I’d love get a version of this with the music separate if you wouldn’t mind sharing.
I’ll get around to this eventually, I don’t mind. I imagine it’ll be like when they released that Tom Cruise Mummy trailer without music haha.
Though if I end up too busy, I think some of it should be easily replicated by using something like Spleeter or UVR to isolate vocals on the center channel. Only percussion and vocals can make a clean center channel, given the targeted scene’s OST doesn’t have any drums (which luckily RO doesn’t use all the time). Percussion track in particular can preserve a good bit of things like clicks, taps, impacts, explosions, and footsteps for the foley.
I’m working on my own subtitles for these and I’d be glad to share them when I finish!
Thank you, that’d be great, I’ll fold them into the final versions when they’re ready. The timings at this point aren’t changing.
I was thinking about it, yeah. I’d still have to crack the episode bridges though, since the scoring is very intentional to the format atm, and it was a lot of testing to even get to where it is. For now, I’m going to polish up the current soundtracks before I start on that.
I’d also be lying if I said I wasn’t attached now to the start / end of the second episode moments in particular. The breaks alleviate some of the extended dryness I feel this could easily fall into.
This fucking rules.
Thanks for checking it out!
Always rules to hear from you snooker, thank you so much for checking it out! I’m glad to hear it all works out that way, it’s what I’d hoped when I first started this
Okay, I re-up’d a new episode 1 for anyone with access to the folder
EDIT: ok sorry, another one, v3.5 uploading right now. That should be it, but its pretty significantly different from v1
Oh, it was a lot. I rebuilt like 90% of the film’s sound. Episode 1 in particular needs to be tightened on that front a lot more though, early on I was just going for “good enough” to make progress.
New version of episode 1 later today, if anyone cares to hold off on watching the current version
EDIT: ok, exporting new ep 1
The first episode is actually the one I want to mess with more, I realize I’m not really happy with it now that the dust has settled on just getting through the foleying and re-scoring of the whole 2 hrs+. I worked chronologically so a lot of it was early in the process and I wasn’t taking it seriously yet.
I think I should have the space now to polish it up, but the problems with that first act are honestly still the problems, unfortunately. I’d love to make some bigger changes for the next revision if you had ideas.
What it says on the tin, pretty much. Andor brainrot has had me this past year, it’s genuinely become one of my favorite shows of all time - to the point I am probably an Andor fan more than I am a fan of Star Wars itself. This edit is kind of an expression of that with a movie I generally really liked - moving its energy from emulating the jaunty, swashbuckling OT, to more in line with its prequel show’s feel.
The movie is still the movie, still fast paced and action oriented, particularly compared to Andor’s fiercer, slower, and paranoid ethos. But I do think the elements Andor is rooted in become far more apparent foregrounded to this soundtrack. Where the movie somewhat failed to recapture the energy and excitement of traditional Star Wars (and not for lack of Giacchino effort), the places where it takes itself seriously should now feel less dissonant in a [tonal] context that seriously considers them.
If nothing else, it’s just fun to have the show and movie connected via the same musical motifs and format!
Starts from the Lah’mu sequence, up to Cassian, Jyn, and co. flying out from the destruction of Jedha City.
Definitely want to work on this one more, it doesn’t quite work for me but that could just be the movie itself.
Starts from Tarkin taking the Death Star project from Krennic, up to Jyn and Cassian walking onboard the stolen shuttle to go to Scarif.
Starts from Rogue One pulling away from Yavin, up to Jyn and Cassian embracing as they are engulfed in the death cloud.
Cassian’s Intro
Cassian Speech
Recap of Ep 1 (In Ep 2)
Recap of Ep 2 (In Ep 3)
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In junction with what I’m saying though, it’s more like - I’m personally not a stoic buddhist, so that’s where I would disagree with Lucas’ admiration of those ideas in his work. At the very least, would be disinterested in it. If an audience is discomforted with detachment valued in that way, I do think there is space left by Lucas to feel that - you just wouldn’t be a Jedi in his world.
And again, this is where I feel like it’s always discussed so binarily - as “good” and “bad” interpretations. Flawed institutions, unwieldy pedagogy, and slavish dogma, etc. can be separate case study in the work from philosophical beliefs. It’s not contradictory for Lucas to posit those things and still come out believing Jedi are good. But could they be Good in the time/space he depicted? Exploring what can go wrong with tangible incidence, is not the same as exploring what is wrong with abstract ideas. And we always keep circling back to confusion over that messiness, when the messiness is almost the point. It’s war and politics considered over serial adventure, we’ve always known that, it comes with the territory.
But beyond that, the OT has the focused thematic answers from those questions one would be looking for anyway. Luke Skywalker has friends he cares about and succeeds through the love of a son to his father. You couldn’t be a prequel Jedi, but detachment is considered with far more balance with the whole saga in mind.
Channel72 said:
I agree with all this - it’s just bizarre that apparently George Lucas really believed he was portraying the Jedi in a positive light. The interpretation most people on the Internet seem to adhere to - that the Prequels purposely portray the Jedi as a flawed institution (like the Catholic Church or something) - is almost certainly incorrect. Multiple interviews with George Lucas reveal that he believes the Jedi and their anti-attachment philosophy was correct, and the only reason Anakin fell was because he gave in to his fear of loss.
I actually don’t think these things have to live contradictorily. Institution != the beliefs, what is taught doesn’t account for the pedagogy. Lucas believing he portrayed the Jedi as characters positively doesn’t preclude the notion that the Jedi Order as it was is cooked, especially when said Order is so pointedly entwined with a galactic government Lucas is criticizing. “Golden Age of the Jedi” is objective nomenclature that reflects status and power in a narrative indicting status and power. There is a lot more happening in what he’s talked about than the popular terms often dictated by fans in debate.
And like, Lucas can be wrong about his own work. If we were talking about real world baggage, this is its value in a fictional space that’s expanded beyond his authorial engagement.
Had some time to check these out (1, 2, 4, at least) and I think a lot of it mostly works out. Ironically movie 4, while having the most moving around, actually has the best technical transitions; there are still a few places in 1 and 2 where I think some of the music transitions could be implemented a little better. (Though I realize these are just some of the limits of fanediting, especially with the purpose of preserving the source as much as possible.)
Narratively though, 1 & 2 work as well as they should. It’s not like you’re really cutting anything out, and these do the job of streamlining the focus really well. Even the few space / time jumps feel in line with what was the show’s language already.
Re: movie 4, I prefer Maarva’s death as revealed originally. The juxtaposition of Cassian finally being free to B2 grappling with what he missed worked jarringly beautifully to that end already. Vel letting Kleya know as that moment doesn’t work nearly as well, particularly since the scene initially feels too tied up with the preceding Vel scenes. It feels like she’s visiting the shop to follow through on the Mothma threads, especially since it takes a bit for Vel to get to the point about Maarva. It works much better after Maarva Is Dead has been well established. I think it could be swapped for Bix being moved and asked about Kreegyr. You could even have the shop scene moved right after Cinta views the party moving Maarva’s body, draw the line clearer between Cinta learning it and Vel reporting it. Otherwise, solid work. Like I said before, the rearrangement all works, even the more implied time jumps.
I’ll continue to keep looking at these, great job so far