We just need Boss Nass peaking over a bush somewhere and it’ll be perfect!
Seriously though, snooker, you absolutely rule.
make the flying ducks the same ones from Howard the Duck, if you can
Oops. Episode 17, The Core Problem.
I, uh, definitely pirate the show so the numbering for the episodes on my files must have had the premiere as one episode or something.
We also shouldn’t forget, Adam Driver is quite hot. Who wouldn’t fall for him?
I definitely think Palpatine’s return was a bad idea, but to be fair to the ST, there was “peace” for 30 years. That’s longer than the Empire even existed. The First Order’s reign of less than a year is just a blip - relatively - with the OT victory still being the larger, more important one. Especially when the new generation owes so much of its success in quashing TFO before it really got going, to the previous victors, anyway.
Palpatine stayed gone for a long time, and his contingency mostly failed.
So just for fun, I edited the first 22 minutes of this into an episode of The Clone Wars:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14Nm4JAjyjGJQhY4t1k9nbBUtkgz2MY98/view?usp=sharing
I just very roughly frankenstein’d audio for the “recap” and it’s super compressed for the storage limit, but it’s not a serious thing anyway. Just a fun preview for the rest of the edit. It’ll be interesting if we could watch this seamlessly in between season 7 episode 9 and 10 when they come out.
I also have a new, experimental color graded vers available. PM for a link to that if you don’t have already have a link to the GDrive folder. (which I realized too late was a much more efficient way of storing the edit; about a dozen of you don’t have it)
It always amuses me knowing that Hinton was a teenage girl when she wrote the Outsiders. It’s 100% just her fanfiction about boys.
Loyal, caring, bromance in a group of angsty greaser prettyboys. Bad boys with hearts of gold. It’s great.
krausfadr said:
Unless it excites you so much that Sheev fucks
This is the only good thing about the movie and they took it from us.
this is so wizard
What makes it worse is that it’s not bad in the way that makes fanediting it fun.
If you’re in college, Adobe CC is free right now until May due to COVID.
…That probably isn’t relevant to most of us, but just thought people should know. It’s sorta related.
I’ll be honest, I really really don’t care for Reylo, but it is undeniably really hot. We should lean into that.
Instead of Samuel Kim’s piece or even Across the Stars, I say we use Lapti Nek
I wonder if we can make “Palpatine just sort of forgets” a full on plot point. He’s old, he should be pretty senile now, right? His memory isnt what it used to be and he can’t quite recall what it is he wants to do. Which is why he starts quoting himself, why his plans for Rey are so inconsistent and can explain away whatever inconsistencies arise from editing to our preferences. I started this post as a joke but now I kind of want to do it.
Dementia Palpatine is the edit we deserve
I mean, either way, I think her never talking to Anakin again from then until Malachor works better for both her story and Anakin’s. I know Filoni came up with their reunion pre-ROTS/Mandalore way back then as well, but that just adds to my gripe with his storytelling. Did he not realize how much more sense it makes for Anakin to still be carrying his hurt about her into ROTS? Or how Ashoka sustaining guilt for leaving works for the drama of finding out he’s Vader?
I guess I meant to say, he didn’t have to adhere to that unfinished/unrealized story arc, especially after TCW got cancelled. It worked just fine, better even, without it. That said, I’m a dumb dumb baby boy who is also very excited about finally seeing it completed. I do love Ashoka and will watch the arc and love it. I just kinda disagree with it. In my eyes, it should have been Siege of Mandalore, but Ashoka dies in Order 66 and Malachor never happens. Or don’t do it and Malachor is Ashoka’s end.
Filoni’s just doing the revisionist Lucas thing, saying “The Clone Wars was always a show about Ashoka and Rex,” and making them super important characters to the main story of the series. And even The Mandalorian now, apparently.
Ok, here’s a quick mockup: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dWl61mMYFgDO3DAVQO-K_1UNZejk5CPC/view?usp=sharing
That’s pretty cool. I think for it to work you’d need to pitch-shift it up just a little, and then extend the shots before and after to give it a little breathing room. That should give it enough to blend and feel like something he’s saying just a little under his breath.
I agree. Something more like this?
I’m sure there’s also a lot of “The Empire” he says elsewhere that we could stick after “…era” if we really want to hammer it in. I don’t volunteer.
Ok here’s a quick mockup: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dWl61mMYFgDO3DAVQO-K_1UNZejk5CPC/view?usp=sharing
It doesn’t blend seamlessly but perhaps someone better at audio editing who has more time and actually wants to do this can make it work somehow. it was a shot in the dark anyway.
Rearranging the lines in the way Rogue outlined would help too. It does sound more like a note to end on than stick in the middle as I just did.
i’m very uninvested in this movie tbh, sorry if im not being much help
Season 1 episode 16, he says “relics of a bygone era” around the 12:30 mark. Again, haven’t tested it yet.
I actually went looking for something like that a while back and I think I did find some vague “First Order is planning an attack” and “relics of a bygone era” that we might be able to use. I haven’t tested any of it with TROS though.
Let me see if I can find them again.
I honestly wish Filoni would just let Ashoka die already. Or be uninvolved. Not that I dislike the character, but I think he’s already crossed into writing-fanfiction-with-his-OC territory.
Her sendoff in the finale of TCW season 5 was already a good ending, but she came back in Rebels. Her defeat by Vader on Malachor made up for it by being an even more emotional ending for her. But then she even survives that, to even after ROTJ! Then Filoni doubles down to before all this and says that Ashoka actually talked to Anakin after she left the Jedi Order, they apparently made up, and she led the Siege of Mandalore against Maul. Essentially, he took away the impact of both times her story ended, just to keep her alive or involved in the story. I think Ashoka was a great character, but Filoni has made her more important and powerful at the expense of a satisfying arc or reason. Her existence is purely fanservice at this point.
I kind of wished they did try to de-age Hamill for Luke or something. If Din really needs to meet a Jedi.
give rey hand flamethrowers
what about a tank of Reys
I got a two ideas, Making Solo Cowboy bebop style, by replacing the score with the anime’s score and re-grading it to make it look more like Bebop, Adding and changing sound effects, changing the aspect ratio to 4x3 and others
Did you end up making this? Because I started my own Coaxium Bebop and it seems you came up with the idea before me.
Here’s a pretty detailed rambling about the Force from George himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68dvgRT3Kx8
Lucas talks about the dark side as selfishness versus the light side as selflessness.
From video: “And you want to keep it in balance.” ^(following left/right arm movements reminiscent of a metronome)
Selfishness is dark side. The dark side itself is not the anger, greed, hatred, fear, jealousy, etc. - those are all just extensions of self-preservation and greed - manifestations of the extent you are passionate about what you desire. How angry or scared you are, defining how far you’re willing to go in your actions. What you want, how much you want, as correlative to what you’ll do to keep it. Serving only yourself and those desires - following a path paved by those intentions - is imbalance.
And it’s easy because at their basest level those feelings are natural, “biological pleasures” as Lucas puts it. You can want innocuous things, you can even want good things. That’s what makes it dangerous, that’s its power. Where the Light Side requires discipline to maintain, passion and desire is human.
Lucas talks about it as motivated from those tangible, quantifiable things - not occult magic. No side of the Force actually corrupts or controls you. Not any more than a child learning and pushing the limits of what they’re capable of, men earning money and status, or a politician with “power” in an authority sense. If anything, you corrupt it. The Force within yourself.
Lucas says that Force remains in balance when you follow its will. But he makes it a point in the video’s opening lines to say that you still have free will. A choice to reject it if you want to.
TLJ adheres to that point and tries to reiterate that almost to a fault (since a lot of ppl don’t like Luke’s arc in it. Or Poe’s. Or Finn’s. Even Rey’s for that matter). Luke talking about the “balance in nature between light and dark” is in a conversation all about the Force within oneself. The natural balanced energy that Rey could feel throughout the island as well as within herself. Luke specifically says this doesn’t belong to anybody, nor is it a power you wield. This entire point you brought up as a fundamental misunderstanding, is slavishly adherent to Lucas’s ideas.
it really hurts* to see people interpret the movie this way but i will refrain from repeating a previous held debate
*not really, obviously
ShamanWhill said:
The ways in which the Force are discussed in the Disney sequels are contradictory to the ways in which the Force is discussed in George’s Star Wars Saga. So please refrain the future from referencing those movies. This thread is a place for us to invent what the proper cannon should have been. Thank you!
I mean, unless we’re discussing what about them that it isn’t. Like, I think, TROS is way way off, but TFA is at least vague, and TLJ is slavish in its adherence to George Lucas’s Force and Jedi. So when I bring up the Disney films I’m not actually discussing from a perspective of them as canon, but just parsing out what about them fit and what would have been done about those ideas, if at all, in the hypothetical universe where Lucas got to make his sequels.
I think context for how they’re referenced in this thread matters, if you want to police it that badly. I don’t think I’ve used them as proof of a point, just a jumping off point for the discussion on what Lucas would mean with the concept of “balance.”
We’re not in a vacuum, much less in that alternate reality where the movies didn’t happen.
Well, TROS and TLJ are fundamentally incompatible, so you shouldn’t take Luke’s later “I was wrong” to heart if we’re talking about how TLJ discusses a middle path.
To me, the films maintain that the dark side is rooted in selfishness. Not anger, hatred, fear, jealousy, etc. alone… Those are all just extensions of self-preservation and greed - manifestations of the extent you are passionate about what you desire. Being selfish is a natural human instinct, and I think ROTJ especially shows that it actually doesn’t corrupt you. Not any more than a child learning and pushing the limits of what they’re capable of, men earning money and status, or a politician with “power” in an authority sense.
Two examples of the Dark Side we see in the OT: Luke Skywalker wanted to save his friends so badly, he became angry, let his hate for the Empire drive his actions. Darth Vader once wanted to be more powerful than other Jedi, he let that jealousy dictate his path. But they were both able to pull back. They could make that choice, and Vader after thinking it was “too late for him.” Dark side corruption isn’t magic, you still have responsibility for yourself. It’s never too late.
Perhaps the idea that we should be thinking about, isn’t what would make a gray Jedi different, but that the examples we follow that have triumphed were essentially gray Jedi. TLJ advocates for a middle path by straight up contextualizing the Jedi teachings as having failed, twice, and that the future should grow beyond those teachings.
I imagine Lucas’s ST would have skipped the extra steps and gotten straight to that point. His PT already shows that the Jedi as idealized by Obi-Wan was far from perfect. Perhaps his Luke would have been enlightened on that front already, or the conflict would have been introduced in VII and not VIII.