Mrebo

DominicCobb said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Mrebo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Mrebo said:

Everything is political nowadays, including every movie. Especially Adam Sandler movies. Corporations are increasingly eager to stake out positions aligned with liberal politics. So be it. If it means conservative-corporate alliance is fractured, then it’s win-win.

Umm… so NOT offering special discounts to NRA members is “staking out a position aligned with liberal politics”? I might buy that if they WERE offering discounts to, say, Planned Parenthood workers, or PETA members. Is that the case?

That doesn’t follow. It’s al about the reason why NRA member benefits were ended. This is clearly about politics.

Couldn’t an equivalent argument be made that the existence of NRA benefits in the first place was what was political, and that eliminating them was Delta’s way of backing out of the politics?

This makes more sense to me. I was honestly surprised to see so many companies offered discounts to NRA members. Like, why? (I mean beyond the obvious)

Agree. Although I have no idea if other big organizations have these deals.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Everything is political nowadays, including every movie.

Not just nowadays. Art is inherently political.

But nowadays everything is political. My Grandpa had a “Dogs Playing Poker” print. I’m not denying it was political even back in the day. But more things are political now, beyond art.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Mrebo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Mrebo said:

Everything is political nowadays, including every movie. Especially Adam Sandler movies. Corporations are increasingly eager to stake out positions aligned with liberal politics. So be it. If it means conservative-corporate alliance is fractured, then it’s win-win.

Umm… so NOT offering special discounts to NRA members is “staking out a position aligned with liberal politics”? I might buy that if they WERE offering discounts to, say, Planned Parenthood workers, or PETA members. Is that the case?

That doesn’t follow. It’s al about the reason why NRA member benefits were ended. This is clearly about politics.

Couldn’t an equivalent argument be made that the existence of NRA benefits in the first place was what was political, and that eliminating them was Delta’s way of backing out of the politics?

We’d want to know the reason for offering the benefits. I wager it was merely a way of marketing and drawing in business. There may be an argument that they’re just getting away from political organizations altogether, and not necessarily because of a disagreement with what the NRA stands for.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Mrebo said:

Everything is political nowadays, including every movie. Especially Adam Sandler movies. Corporations are increasingly eager to stake out positions aligned with liberal politics. So be it. If it means conservative-corporate alliance is fractured, then it’s win-win.

Umm… so NOT offering special discounts to NRA members is “staking out a position aligned with liberal politics”? I might buy that if they WERE offering discounts to, say, Planned Parenthood workers, or PETA members. Is that the case?

That doesn’t follow. It’s al about the reason why NRA member benefits were ended. This is clearly about politics.

Everything is political nowadays, including every movie. Especially Adam Sandler movies. Corporations are increasingly eager to stake out positions aligned with liberal politics. So be it. If it means conservative-corporate alliance is fractured, then it’s win-win.

DominicCobb said:

All movies are political.

Depends what definition you have in mind.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/how-my-wife-fell-for-the-parkland-crisis-actor-conspiracy-theory-and-why-it-matters/

This thread is relevant more than ever.

I’ve known people who described their cat as being like a dog. But I’ve found them cat-like. They can’t fool me. That one cat in the video does a decent job. If I had to have a cat, that might work. I like my dogs to be real dogs.

suspiciouscoffee has taught me a new phrase. It is awfully late!

A late night trip to the diner with friends is always a good time.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Well, that didn’t last as long as I thought it would. Hi everyone, I’m back!

Welcome back!

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

No need to quibble over the precise level of distraction. Maybe less than Leia being blonde and more than her brunette hair being slightly darker. I still don’t see the validity of the reason for the aesthetic choice that is noticeable.

They probably figured most people wouldn’t care, which is almost certainly true.

As the creature designer said: “I remember saying to Rian [Johnson] that if we were going to do it, we couldn’t make him too much of a ghost because it would deny everybody the joy of seeing him solid and real.”

Sounds like they thought people would care. If you mean they thought most people would like it or at least not be bothered by it, that is clear. If most people didn’t care, as you suggest, then it wasn’t a terribly successful choice. A lot of things in the movie are like that. This was quite a minor thing.

My post was in response to your question of why risk a noticeable/distracting change. Because most people wouldn’t care that it’s different.

You answer a question I’m not asking. I commented that I found it distracting but that wasn’t a question.

Why choose make the change in the first place? A lot of reasons that are more important than whether or not it’s distracting to an extremely small subset of the audience.

Well the creature designer says a ghostly Yoda “would deny everybody the joy of seeing him solid and real.”

As I said, I don’t see the merit there. I guess you do?

Not a major thing but I thought the creative choice was an odd one and a more ghostly Yoda would not have taken joy away nor did a more solid Yoda add positively to the experience.

CatBus said:

Fresh on the heels of a member of one right-wing militant group opening fire on students, another right-wing militant group is, without even pretending to seek permission, setting up armed “guards” to “protect” schools, presumably from people very much like themselves.

Assuming this is the same Oath Keepers that’s pulled stunts like these in the past, here’s the con they’re running: Some bloody event has claimed national headlines and they weren’t at it, so people continue to not care about their message. So they try to stir up another bloodbath, so that their members can use their presence at the next massacre as a media platform to spout their worldview. And this time they’re doing it at schools.

As far as I’ve seen there is no confirmation that Cruz was a member of a militant group. Early on there were reports that he participated in a white supremacist organization but that story hasn’t held up according to reports.

From what I read about the Oath Keepers, there’s plenty to find objectionable but where is the evidence of the “con” to which you allude?

As long as they’re not on school property and otherwise not violating the law, school can’t do anything.

moviefreakedmind said:

That’s an objective fact.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

No need to quibble over the precise level of distraction. Maybe less than Leia being blonde and more than her brunette hair being slightly darker. I still don’t see the validity of the reason for the aesthetic choice that is noticeable.

They probably figured most people wouldn’t care, which is almost certainly true.

As the creature designer said: “I remember saying to Rian [Johnson] that if we were going to do it, we couldn’t make him too much of a ghost because it would deny everybody the joy of seeing him solid and real.”

Sounds like they thought people would care. If you mean they thought most people would like it or at least not be bothered by it, that is clear. If most people didn’t care, as you suggest, then it wasn’t a terribly successful choice. A lot of things in the movie are like that. This was quite a minor thing.

Some teens are vapid morons, others aren’t, just like adults. Teens’ undeniable lack of experience and knowledge is both a boon and an impediment. Students at risk of violence also have an undeniable interest and relevant perspective. Sadly the adults will use or ignore them as suits their purposes.

TV’s Frink said:

All of it?

I know it’s a parody but at some point I’m just watching jokes about fat suits and farts, hands blown off completely, etc. Maybe it gets better but I got tired of waiting. Switched to the start of Spotlight and it was a relief.

I saw it when it came out, don’t recall my impressions of it well. Don’t think I found it terribly clever either…

TV’s Frink said:

I watched 15 minutes of Tropic Thunder this morning and gave up.

What was the turn off?

chyron8472 said:

I feel the changes we need to make are too vehemently opposed by ignorant, stubborn people.

That’s politics for ya.

No need to quibble over the precise level of distraction. Maybe less than Leia being blonde and more than her brunette hair being slightly darker. I still don’t see the validity of the reason for the aesthetic choice that is noticeable.

If Leia had appeared as a blonde no leap of imagination would have been required to understand that she dyed her hair. Maybe Holdo introduced her to her stylist. Nonetheless, that would have felt unnecessarily distracting.

With Yoda, the all around lack of ghostliness similarly stands out as unnecessary inconsistency. It’s a minor thing and I don’t understand the explanation for it provided in that article for this aesthetic decision. I think a more ghostly-looking Yoda would not have felt less real to the audience.

I don’t understand the explanation for not making Yoda more ghostly. That was an aspect that took away from the scene for me (and the stick bop).

That could be amazing…but I would lose something. Watching the OT (on television) as a child and then growing up to build on that understanding is probably more fun than only watching them as an adult would be. And I like being on the right side of the Ewok Line (although I guess that shouldn’t change).

I would like to forget all about TLJ so I can watch it and give my hot takes all over again.

That would be useful. Just had a thought swimming around that I would like to flush away. And now I’m thinking of the Obliviate spell in Harry Potter.