This is getting worse. Everyone is fucking ignoring me and won’t respond to any of my messages. I don’t get it and I am so isolated from everybody.
Where do you find these friends of yours?
Kingsley is all.
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I think that’s some kind of stringed instrument.
Whatever’s going on in your guy’s private threads makes no sense to me. Maybe you should all stop being in private threads?
It’s more fun guessing what they’re talking about though.
I’m imagining Christopher Reeve in whiteface.
I’m not saying I’m part of any cabal, but that’s really close.
Dom sayeth:
(in my opinion and from my perspective of course, though I would tend to think this should go without saying).
Depends on the statement. If I say this thread isn’t about the Oscars…that’s kind of accurate but mostly not true. If I say this thread isn’t about Syria, that’s definitely accurate. Whether something “is about” something sounds like a factual statement.
Nothing is factual when it comes to art, especially when you’re talking about what something “is about.”
It is possible to be mistaken. Not all is so relative. In any event, whether art is about X doesn’t mean an objection to element Y is not well founded.
Do you like arguing in circles?
Only if the circles turn into hands and choke the pigmen.
It’s all a conspiracy!
Dom sayeth:
(in my opinion and from my perspective of course, though I would tend to think this should go without saying).
Depends on the statement. If I say this thread isn’t about the Oscars…that’s kind of accurate but mostly not true. If I say this thread isn’t about Syria, that’s definitely accurate. Whether something “is about” something sounds like a factual statement.
Nothing is factual when it comes to art, especially when you’re talking about what something “is about.”
It is possible to be mistaken. Not all is so relative. In any event, whether art is about X doesn’t mean an objection to element Y is not well founded.
WHY ISN’T ANYONE TALKING ABOUT
A WOMANWANTING TO SEX UP AN X-FILES CREATURE OF THE WEEK?!?!?!
If he were made of pizza…
Dom sayeth:
(in my opinion and from my perspective of course, though I would tend to think this should go without saying).
Depends on the statement. If I say this thread isn’t about the Oscars…that’s kind of accurate but mostly not true. If I say this thread isn’t about Syria, that’s definitely accurate. Whether something “is about” something sounds like a factual statement.
Depends on one’s definition of “predator”. Perhaps a better term is “sexual offender”.
BTW, I never said pedophile… statutory rape is not the same thing as pedophilia.You basically implied that the people who saw the movie with you were pedophiles.
And I looked it up, age of consent in Italy is 14, so sex offender isn’t exactly accurate.
Your “I don’t know what to tell you” line may have been a careless aside. But at least in my post I recognized up front the relationship wasn’t as bad as it could have been. You were the one getting into the weeds of whether it was a sex offense. Again, not a movie I care about, but I see the legitimacy of the objection.
I’m just saying the objection is reasonable. I agree with many of your points, Dom. For the record, I don’t find the assertion, “that’s not what the movie is about,” to be persuasive. If one sees a thing in a movie (or any art), that’s their view of it. Art doesn’t happen in a vacuum and everyone attends with their own perspective. Trying to downplay one element because it’s not central is a non-sequitur.
I am so confused and so conflicted right now. And because of that I might have taken the worst decision of my life. I feel like I want to blow up. I’m so frustrated, desperate, distressed. I hope things turn out to be ok. And I know my problem is extremely minor compared to most problems in the world and in this very thread, so sorry for “wasting your time”.
That apology is never warranted here. If you want moral support or another perspective, please share. Sorry for whatever you’re going through, many of us make big mistakes.
All I know is that Shape of Water looks weird as fuck just based on the clip or two I saw in the brief moments I looked up during the Oscars. The fish man looked ridiculous, not something that should inhabit a serious film.
Agree that costume is very underwhelming.
The costume is great.
I would like to spend the next 3 pages arguing over whether the costume is good or not. You game, Frink?
I was eager to watch this movie. Then I read it didn’t feel very original and was preachy.
Letting others opinions color your own before you even see what they’re talking about isn’t a good practice.
Agree. But it’s a low threshold to encourage me to not see a movie in theaters. I’ll wait for it to be on Netflix.
I find that if I just wait, I lose interest to see most movies in the theater.
Yes, absolutely.
I like the spectacle, so seeing superhero/popcorn movies is the biggest motivator. I usually need to be dragged to see any kind of drama. Classic movies are great to see in theaters.
All I know is that Shape of Water looks weird as fuck just based on the clip or two I saw in the brief moments I looked up during the Oscars. The fish man looked ridiculous, not something that should inhabit a serious film.
Agree that costume is very underwhelming. I was eager to watch this movie. Then I read it didn’t feel very original and was preachy. I find that if I just wait, I lose interest to see most movies in the theater.
Whether this is “abuse” is debatable – there are those who think that any sex between an adult and a minor is abuse, whether consensual or not, and regardless of who was the pursuer. There are those who think it is a grey area (probably most think that, including me). And, there are those who think the law should be a lot more permissive.
However, I found the movie’s dealing with this issue to be manipulative (to the viewer). By making the characters seem SO different in age, and by making the parents SO approving and hands off - while being portrayed as highly educated and enlightened, it made me wonder exactly what the movie’s message was supposed to be. The guy was a guest in the parents’ home, and was pretty rude and aggressive. And he was doing their son. It is very, very strange that they didn’t even question whether it was “ok”, or whether their son was even ok with it. Is the message that this is how parents should be? Is that really good?
Other similarly-themed stories include the parents being livid - or at the very least worrying, regardless of whether or not the story sympathizes with the protagonists.
Concern about the messaging of the movie sounds reasonable.
I think we all have a sense that it could be more inappropriate if the ages were farther apart, and especially if the protagonist were younger. Kevin Spacey was accused of abuse of a 14 year old when he was 24. I saw him routinely called a pedophile. His “I’m a gay American” statement outraged many people, not only for trying to deflect from what he did, but for playing into a stereotype of gay men being especially interested in minors.
Even if the relationship in the movie were portrayed in such a way that there was not a scintilla of taking advantage, the concern about parental approval/encouragement seems valid. It would be weird to see a father delighted about a 24 year old man being involved with his 17 year old daughter.
This debate touches on something bigger, I think. And that’s to what extent a movie is serving as some sort of propaganda (for lack of a better word) or merely telling a story where we can judge the characters and actions but still enjoy the movie for what it is. It’s difficult because movies push a certain point of view. If you think a behavior (such as approving parent, or adults involved with minors) is entirely wrong but in the context of the movie you’re supposed to find it wonderful, how do you not have a problem with the film itself?
I have no views on this movie except I haven’t seen it and probably won’t.
Goodnight, sleep well when you do.
I should also state, for the record, that my hair isn’t curly.
Damn straight.
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Never cut my own hair before, but randomly decided to have a go at it today. Actually came out pretty good.
You went for the Admiral Holdo look didn’t you?
I said I cut it, not colored it.
But yes.
I just assumed it was already purple. Whatever color it is, that is a good look for anyone. Just got to be careful or a few slips of the scissors could leave you looking like Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka. Not that that wouldn’t look good too.
Never cut my own hair before, but randomly decided to have a go at it today. Actually came out pretty good.
You went for the Admiral Holdo look didn’t you?
I think you only get out of a friendship what you put into it. At least you’re among misanthropes here.
Same to you, Possessed. I know we’re all supposed to be grumpy at each other all the time but hopefully this is a place that provides some relief from everyday life.
All of my friendships are entirely unrewarding. I might as well not know anybody.
I’m not sure what makes a friendship rewarding other than pleasure of company.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I just assumed that my insanity and lack of empathy was making me miss the point so I’m glad to find someone who agrees with me. .
As an empathic sane person I’m not sure how I feel about this.
All of my friendships are entirely unrewarding. I might as well not know anybody.
I’m not sure what makes a friendship rewarding other than pleasure of company.
Dependability, loyalty, honesty, chemistry…
I don’t have people with whom I socialize on a regular basis and I’m not good at staying in touch. Maybe it’s a trust issue or extreme introversion but I’m pretty okay with it.
This thing is so stupidly long. Watching it with others else I wouldn’t be watching it at all. I suffer for my art.
All of my friendships are entirely unrewarding. I might as well not know anybody.
I’m not sure what makes a friendship rewarding other than pleasure of company.
Fuck Kobe Bryant.
I don’t know why you say that but I wanted “Revolting Rhymes” to win, so I’m with ya.