I was going to say that we make the romance scenes more awkward, but the only way that's humanly possible is if we CGI a huge bulge popping out of Anakin's robes whenever he talks to Padme.
Sluggo said:
The droid factory needs this music.
YES
darth_ender said:
A few typos and a repeated item on the ballot, but can't bother to take it back now. Oh well. Hope it's a useful way of doing the vote.
So I've decided now is the time to release the url to the new forum. It's simple, but I think it should meet the needs of the editing crew.
http://collab.forumcircle.com/portal.php
Still waiting on GoodMusician and Jaitea to register, and there's not much activity yet, but that's to be expected given busy schedules and not much to report yet. Hopefully the editors can make some tentative timetables so we know generally when to expect updates and to keep each other motivated.
I'm thinking of adding a single forum where guests can comment. However, I'm not sure how wise that is, because I hope people will keep most comments here. Let me know what you guys think. No one will be able to register without a passcode, but if desired, folks can at least say, "Good job."
And a final note: we REALLY could use someone willing to do a rough edit of the whole film for the editors to use as a framework. As the edit progresses, altered and fixed scenes can replace the old versions (i.e. emanswfan's improved deleted sandstorm scene could replace the BD version). This way we can also see how simple editing choices work, such as the altered Endor battle, the droids falling directly onto the skiff (assuming that passes the vote), the placing of Dagobah and Vader reaching out to Luke in the beginning, etc. It wouldn't have to be perfect, particularly sound-wise. I think it would simply be a means of visualizing many of the changes and pacing.
WHOEVER VOLUNTEERS TO MAKE THE ROUGH EDIT AUTOMATICALLY GETS ACCESS TO THE NEW FORUM, for what it's worth to you. You'd get more input on the process and get earlier updates. Please, we really could use an editor to spare the special effects team the work of doing extraneous stuff and allowing them to focus on the actual effects.
I will do it!
No no no! This should be called Episode II: Now There Are Two Of Them!
How could you miss such an opportunity? HOW?!!
Vladius said:
Yeah, it could be some magical dark side disease.
I know just what to call it.....
Midi-Chlorian's Disease.
It would be a nice jab at the whole "microscopic Force cells" B.S.
BarBar Jinkx said:
MrInsaneA said:
BarBar Jinkx said:
what about intercutting Vaders birth and have the droid say "its almost as though life is being Drained from her body" cut to scene of Vader taking in a rasping breath keeping himself alive... etc
Hmmm...but would it be intentional on Vader's part? Or not? This idea also has potential....
But Aalenfae...consider the other things Amidala has worn throughout these movies. I think she passed right by ridiculousness the moment she wore this thing.
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk8r76UD5Y1qf9zb0o1_400.jpg
Also, the outfit seems rather Alderaan-ish to me. It's white, and it's as you said, rather frilly. For a chilly Switzerland-ish environment, it makes sense.
"she,....no longer has any meaning for me!"
Yeah, but would Anakin REALLY kill his wife intentionally like that? Would he even know how to?
I think it would be more tragic if he and her had some sort of implied bond through the Force. So the pain he was going through, SHE was going through. He was able to survive it, but she wasn't. It would indirectly make him responsible for her death.
But that would be hard to convey, and it would just be implied, never explicitly stated. Therefore, I think disease works better. But who knows.
BarBar Jinkx said:
what about intercutting Vaders birth and have the droid say "its almost as though life is being Drained from her body" cut to scene of Vader taking in a rasping breath keeping himself alive... etc
Hmmm...but would it be intentional on Vader's part? Or not? This idea also has potential....
But Aalenfae...consider the other things Amidala has worn throughout these movies. I think she passed right by ridiculousness the moment she wore this thing.
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk8r76UD5Y1qf9zb0o1_400.jpg
Also, the outfit seems rather Alderaan-ish to me. It's white, and it's as you said, rather frilly. For a chilly Switzerland-ish environment, it makes sense.
aalenfae said:
I would say contrived and clever ;)
But that's a simply genius idea nonetheless! I've always been a fan of motifs like this, actually. The hopeless fate/destiny kind of thing.
It only raises a few problems, though.-Why would she go to Alderaan? There would need to be new dialogue added to explain why they choose Alderaan, especially if Bail isn't adopting Leia.
-I'm not a fan of the look of the shot that The Cutter used.
-Disease would seem random coming from nowhere. It would need to be hinted at earlier.
1. Where else is she gonna go? Bail is willing to hide Leia, and he's a friend of Padmes. If Vader found out she was alive, it might lead him to the twins. Therefore, she hides with the Organas until her death.
2. What exactly aren't you a fan of? Can't you change it with your digital doohickeys?
3. Yeah, I agree. I have no ideas on how to do that though....
I think the idea has merit, and potential though. Give it some thought.
Y'know, I had an idea a while back on how to deal with Padme's fate.
When we go to Pollis Massa and talk to this dude,
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w56/STWRSChronicals/Droids/GH-7MedicalDroid.jpg
The robot's lines are re-dubbed, so that Padme has begun to feel the symptoms of a rare disease that will leave her dead within a matter of years. This does two things. Firstly, it explains why she's sick, as opposed to her being "really sad." Secondly, it allows Leia time to grow up with her, so the line where she remembers her mother is logical.
So here's how I see the dialogue taking place:
Med Droid: She appears to be experiencing the first symptoms of (insert disease name here.) Very rare, and untreatable. Given the progression of the disease, I'd say she has little more then a few more years left.
CUT TO Obi-Wan, Bail, and Yoda looking distraught.
Med Droid: Luckily, the disease will not transmit to the babies.
Bail: Babies?
Med Droid: The twins she's carrying. We'll have to operate quickly though, if they have any chance of surviving.
END SCENE
So the twins are born, and everything happens as it did in the original. Skip a few scenes to Bail's ship arriving on Allderaan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adxvS_vjOTo
Padme is still alive, albeit not for long. She cries and cradles Leia, knowing she'll never be able to watch her children grow up.
So what do you think? Tragic and clever, or contrived and stupid?
Ronster said:
darth_ender said:
So I've quickly looked through all pages since the last vote was called and have included everything of significance I noticed. I did it rather quickly, which means I probably overlooked some things. I'm trying to include links so people will understand references, such as unfamiliar ships designs, lengthy suggestions, music clips, etc. That may take a bit and I have to study for my first exam on Wed. Hope to have it up today at some point. I doubt I'll give a full week for responses, as most people voted on the first and last days, so I'll probably shorten it.
I have another suggestion for you regarding Tie-Fighters we never get to see them launch in the whole trilogy and the method of them launching is really cool with those rails they hang on in the bays so my request is simple can we see some launch just before the battle starts?
That's actually a cool idea. It would be an awesome visual, to see thousands of TIEs flying out of the Death Star. Kind of like bees protecting a bee hive.
aalenfae said:
I guess it depends on how I edit the duel. My current cut doesn't have the running jump, but I'll probably play around with it a lot more before I'm satisfied. Either way, much of the fight in this room has been cut.
What if I added some ANH style office chairs around the room?
Not sure what you mean by that. Like the ones in the Death Star conference room? That might be cool.
aalenfae said:
I would love to see some more of your work sometime.
But what am I up to these days? Well, I threw together a mock-up of an idea I had. Thoughts?
I love it! A suggestion though: replace one of the tables with this, but leave the other table. Give Anakin something to jump on during the fight, I really like that part.
ray_afraid said:
MrInsaneA said:
The Rebellion shouldn't feel like an organized military so much as a ragtag militia.
But they are an organized military. I think what you guys are discussing would work better for a pre-ANH rebellion. At this point (RotJ), they've had some BIG victories (the ANH opening text refers to the fact that they have already had some big wins and are growing) and would have gained much more mainstream support.
That may make sense realistically but thematically it would be good to separate the Rebels from the Empire. Empire: Big military force of humans. Rebels: Rag tag group of aliens and humans.
aalenfae said:
I'm not saying either, really.
I'm just saying there's not enough variety. What about the Wookiees, the Bothans, the Sullustans, and all the other corporations that supported the Rebellion?
We really only see a very small portion of the Rebel Alliance in RotJ, as only a fraction of their members and supporters are seen.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alliance_Fleet
^ This article has a concise list of different ships employed by the Alliance.
I wholeheartedly agree. The Rebellion shouldn't feel like an organized military so much as a ragtag militia.
aalenfae said:
Well, I have much to learn.
Must have just downloaded an unlucky one, haha.Alright, I downloaded the N1 Starfighter from Sci-Fi 3D and re-textured it.
I also remodeled the engines to make them more run-down, removed some panels on the top, and added internal greeblies.
Thoughts? Should we have the N1 make an appearance?
This looks fantastic.
MrInsaneA said:
Oh God.....Sci-Fi 3D has some fantastic models...I am especially intrigued by the Non-Cannon ships.
http://www.scifi3d.com/list.asp?intGenreID=10&intCatID=31
Anyone think that all those Jedi Stafighter concepts would be good for that "more varied" Rebel Fleet idea?
Anyone wanna answer me here?
timdiggerm said:
I don't think Vader has the strength, at that point, to do any of this, and I think it would distract from the more important events of the story.
+1
Oh God.....Sci-Fi 3D has some fantastic models...I am especially intrigued by the Non-Cannon ships.
http://www.scifi3d.com/list.asp?intGenreID=10&intCatID=31
Anyone think that all those Jedi Stafighter concepts would be good for that "more varied" Rebel Fleet idea?
darth_ender said:
DominicCobb said:
darth_ender said:
Well, it could satisfy the desire of so many to see something of this sort while simultaneously allowing us to stay truer to the original movie in story and in feel (something hard to duplicate if we include any non-OT footage). It's just a suggestion, and not something I'm going to be part of.
So I'm on the last part of the script, and I have to bring up something again, though we voted it down: Anakin's ghost at the pyre scene. Let me argue for it one more time. If we show the Ewok celebration and all three Force ghosts smiling, there is Luke's resolution, as well as the audience's. We know Luke is cool with his old man, and so are we. But if we follow that with the pyre scene (which we voted to do), he is now sad and emotional, burning his father's carcass and armor (or at least the armor). This does not capture the right emotions then. If, however, we simply show Luke smiling while looking at Ben and Yoda, and then after burning his father he comes to terms with him as he sees his ghost, I think it would be a far better fit. Let me sum it up like this: if we keep the Force ghosts, the pyre scene needs to come before it. If we put the pyre scene at the very end, we need to remove the Force ghosts. UNLESS...if we remove Anakin from the trio and reveal him DURING the pyre scene (as Aalenfae will show us in an upcoming mockup), then we can keep both scenes and the desired order.
Can we include this once again in the next vote, or is it really dead? I really think the logic is quite sound.
Could we bring up the vote to get rid of ghost Anakin altogether again? I really think my logic as to why was incredibly sound.
Although I wouldn't be as much against Anakin just showing up at the pyre ONLY IF he disappeared shortly after he appears.
I know Aalenfae's mockup included a quick appearance and disappearance, which I personally like as well. I find the logic to your not including him sound as well, and I really mulled the idea over in my head. I'm not looking at the votes at the moment, though I know it didn't pass. Keep discussing it, and maybe we can run it by the group again. I guess the logic is there, but considering the nature of the movie and the hope of ending it on a high note, I preferred showing him truly redeemed. Again, allow me to say that your logic is quite sound.
Hey, in the end, if we do end up removing him from the party scene and including him in the pyre scene, it would not be hard for you to simply include the original pyre scene instead and never see his ghost. Like we've said many times, if someone's ideas don't end up making the edit, they can take what they want from here and simply make whatever changes they desire. But either way, I think we can put it up for a second vote if you really want. We've got several new participants now.
Oh geez guys, c'mon. Let Luke see his Dad. Honestly, if Anakin's ghost is removed I'll be heartbroken.
So wait....now we're talking about making a short film about Bouush and/or Bothans. Does anyone need to borrow my Vyvance? Anyone?
Ehhh....I'm just not a fan of any Bothans being added to this movie. It's going to be way to difficult to do, and I don't feel like it's a worthwhile change.
Ronster said:
darth_ender said:
Well, my little scene involves few visuals, is short, gets across any additional information anybody wanted, is simply a clue to the story's progression and involves no emotional connection, and fits in with the recent vote. I think it may be all we need, but I'm not sure everyone liked it. I like the idea of showing simultaneous DS constructions, but I'm not sure how to pull that off...yet :)
You know all too well what I am talking about... If you open the movie as normal with Vader going to DSII then what do you put inbetween Luke Leaving Dagobah and getting to Tattooine.. The emperors visit stays where it is agreed so thats what I am talking about... It does not need to be Bothans it can be anything I am talking about cuts away and padding.
Ok forget about Bothans look at it like this instead as a series of choices
1. Original opening > Dagobah > Blank > Tattooine
2. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Tattooine
3. Original opening > Tattooine > Dagobah
or my Idea
4. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Blank > Tattooine
Thats what I mean really like I said I don't care about Bothans but I do care about the structure
Original Opening>Dagobah>Vader communes with Luke as he flies to Tatooine>Tatooine.
Not going to lie....I'm not a fan of the Bothan opening.
Angel said:
GoodMusician said:
I wouldn't dream to add many, if any, prequel trilogy themes into the OT. For me, that's kinda going too far. Maybe some background filler music, but not out right themes unless they're truly warented... Like...off the top of my head... instead of using the Ewok finale, they used that new age-ey music...but I wonder if something else might have been better...perhaps influeneced by the locations shown or something but thats ok...
You said it perfectly!
Some undertones would be ideal in some places.
Shouldnt the endor as have its own theme?like Bespin's/Lando's theme? I guess the celebration can have endor's theme in bittersweet tones.
OT rarely had choirs apart some exeptions in cloud city , the emperors theme and luke's boost against vader in ROTJ. Duel of the fates wouldnt be good if used with choir(not my kind of theme i could imagine in OT) or choirless in any battle. Its too tense. Most of the time in TPM when that music plays nobody talks. The music guides. in ROTJ its all more character based.
I guess GM can do miracles. I cant wait to hear what he will come up to.
-Angel
That's why I suggested it be used in shots WE added....just random dogfights and parts of the space battle. Some may cry that that's a little prequel-ish, but I like it.
Bingowings said:
Okay sugar.
One idea I've been tarting around on the wishlist thread for some while is that when the Rebels enter the backdoor bunker, instead of going underground to the reactor room (do we need another reactor blowing up?) they enter a service elevator leading to the just under the projector dish.
The reactor background could be replaced by a view of the skyline and perhaps a bit of the dish showing.
The Imperial officer gets knocked off an exterior balcony of the tower instead of into the reactor area.
When the charges go off instead of blowing up half the forest it just snaps the dish off which slides downhill cutting off the power to the Death Star shield.
When Han and Leia watch the station explode and have their little chat about Luke it takes place inside the wrecked dish.
Big effects project but it would make the conclusion of the ground battle look more visually interesting and it would be kind of poetic for Han and Leia to watch the Death Star go bang inside the carcass of their slain dragon.
True. I watch the Death Star go bang from inside the carcass of my slain dragon all the time.
