Hey, while meesa have yousa's attention, any of yousa boyos tinken dat you can find meesa 720p versions of the deleted scenes from the original TPM DVD release?
TV's Frink said:
Anyone remember the jar-jargonizer?
Lol, that is legitimately the greatest pun I've ever heard.
Mithrandir said:
MrInsaneA said:
Other then that my friends, I'm afraid mum's the word.
English isn't my first language. So are you being criptic or it's some idiomatic phrase, I don't get you XD
"Mum's the word" is indeed an idiom sir. It means "there is no more information to be given."
He updated the first post, confirming that he had to close the account, as his videos were flagged by Fox.
Other then that my friends, I'm afraid mum's the word.
Herro boyos!!!
Meesa almost done wit a rough draft version of The Phantom Menace Definitive. It's berry rough, and bombad, and consists only of cuts, and added music/dialogue. All of the audio is temporary, and just to give yoosa a taste a whatss to come. The quality also isn't berry muy muy so keepsa dat in mind, okee-day?
greenpenguino said:
vimeo?
Vimeo? Oh. Vimeo.
I catch on pretty quick.
Bobgarcia, is there any way you can show us the videos on another site?
Angel said:
Fox Blocked it :/
-Angel
You're kidding me. *sigh* Anywhere I can post this where it won't get blocked immediately?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6bF_VjQvZY
Just a quick little color correction to the final lightsaber battle. No cuts or anything, just a test to see if it looks any better.
Hmmm....I think I will Mr. Frink, I think I will.
TV's Frink said:
Not sure if I'm explaining this correctly...and I use Vegas so apologies if I use the wrong terminology (the basic concept should be the same).
Let's say you're working on a scene with Nute and Rune on the bridge of the TF ship. You want to put your new dialogue in, but you also need to take the existing dialogue out. In some scenes, this will be pretty easy because the dialogue is confined to the center channel. But in this case, the dialogue is also present (albeit at a lower volume) in the front and rear channels. If you don't remove it from those channels as well, the listener will still hear that dialogue along with your new dialogue and it will be distracting.
Since you are working with 5.1, you will have six tracks in your timeline (C, FR, FL, RR, RL, and LFE). I'm not aware of a good way to remove dialogue other than chopping out the part of the track that contains the dialogue. So you can just cut out the parts of the C track with dialogue and replace them with your dialogue. But what about the other tracks (FR, FL, RR, RL)? Each of those tracks has dialogue plus sound effects and music. If you cut that part of the track, you lose everything, rather than just the dialogue.
So yes, you would have to redo the entire soundtrack, unless you discover a way to only remove part of a track (dialogue) at any given time while retaining the rest of the track at that same time (effects and music). I'm not aware of a way to do this.
Hmmmm. Does Womble have that 6-track system, where I can see all the separate tracks? I've been using it for a while now, and I wasn't aware of that function.
TV's Frink said:
MrInsaneA said:
I'm still trying to figure out how to do dialogue replacement in general actually. That's the biggest hindrance I've had with this edit so far. Do you know of any tutorials on how to do so? I'm using MPEG Video Wizard btw.
Here's a general tutorial for Womble:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ADigitalMans-Guide-to-MPEG2-AC3-Editing/topic/3444/
Not sure what you are looking for in a tutorial regarding dialogue replacement, however. If you are talking about a way to remove dialogue from an individual channel without touching the sound effects or music, I don't believe one exists.
So what? If I wanted to add dialogue to a scene that already had dialogue, would I have to recreate the entire soundtrack? I'm confused.
TV's Frink said:
MrInsaneA said:
TV's Frink said:
lol
So are you doing 2.0 or 5.1? And where are you getting extra Maul lines from?5.1 surround sound. I think. I have no clue, I'm so new at this, and I'm basically self teaching myself as far as all the software/editing methods go.
I think you will find the going tough if you want to do dialogue replacement with 5.1. Just as an example, the Nemoidian dialogue on the TF ship is spread around all five channels to make it sound more echo-y. Which means you'd theoretically have to rebuild the entire soundtrack in order to do it properly.
Not wanting to discourage you, but just be aware what you are up against. I'd try it with some of the more difficult scenes first and see how workable it is.
Oh trust me I know.
I'm still trying to figure out how to do dialogue replacement in general actually. That's the biggest hindrance I've had with this edit so far. Do you know of any tutorials on how to do so? I'm using MPEG Video Wizard btw.
TV's Frink said:
lol
So are you doing 2.0 or 5.1? And where are you getting extra Maul lines from?
5.1 surround sound. I think. I have no clue, I'm so new at this, and I'm basically self teaching myself as far as all the software/editing methods go.
As for the Mr. Maul issue....I need someone who can do a reasonable Peter Serfenowicz impression to read the lines I want Maul to "say." I'm still looking btw, so any help on that issue would be much appreciated. As to how the lines will feature in the film....well that'll be my little secret. ;)
Ric Olie said:
MrInsaneA said:
-Bringing Captain Obvious' "observations" to a tolerable level.:-/
Awkward.
Reasons For This Edit: My personal goal for this edit, is to create an enjoyable version of the Phantom Menace, one that matches the Original Trilogy more in tone and appearance. This means not only cutting out or restructuring scenes, but adding new music, and changing/adding new effects.
This edit will also borrow a lot of ideas primarily from Magnoliafan's and JasonN's edits of TPM, two personal favorites of mine.
What's Being Changed: The Obvious Stuff
-No midi-chlorians.
-No Immaculate Ani-ception.
-No "yippies" and "woohoos" from Anikan.
-No poop/fart jokes.
-Bringing Captain Obvious' "observations" to a tolerable level.
-Other various cuts throughout.
-Color Correction
What's Being Changed: The Less Obvious Stuff
-I'm taking a cue from faneditor Magnoliafan, and giving the Gungans and Nemoidians an alien language to speak, which will then be subtitled. (Battle Droids will speak it also, unless addressing humans.)
-Hiding Darth Sidious' Face/Altering His Voice
-Adding Various Bits of OT Music Throughout (Specifically the Pod Race.)
What's Being Changed: The Stuff That I'm Going To Need Help With That I'm Not Sure If I'm Going To Be Able To Do
-In the OT every film started with a Star Destroyer flying over a planet. In the PT every film starts over Coruscant....except TPM. So the plan is to start the film with the Jedi's ship flying away from Coruscant, and then jumping into Hyperspace. THEN cut to the original opening, which would now be the ship coming out of Hypserspace, and flying towards the Nabbo Blockade.
-Change various computer screens/moniters and all the Holograms, so they don't look so advanced, and match the OT.
-Give Darth Maul more lines.
-Somehow add a few deleted scenes from the original TPM DVD release, to the film. This is going to be difficult for the simple fact that I'm using a 720p rip of the Phantom Menace Blu-Ray, so I'm unsure if I can make the quality match.
So yeah. I would definetly appreciate any ideas you might have regarding this edit, and any help regarding that last section of changes.
UPDATES:
Podrace V.1
Sepharih said:
^What Vladius said.
I disagree with the idea of removing the forbidden love aspect of the story because while Episode II could probably work without it, I think it removes an important piece of Anakin's character development in III. In episode III he already has an inherent level of distrust towards the jedi because he knows he's in a forbidden relationship with Padme and what the reaction will be if he is outed. Even those he asks advice of, like Yoda, can't be told the full story and so he has few people he can turn to when he begins to have visions....at which point palpatine enters.
I think the core idea behind the story works, but it's undermined by the stilted dialogue and poorly explained character motivations.
It's not well explained at all, but I don't think it's that crazy the council would send Anakin off alone with Padme and Obi-wan wouldn't outright confront him over the attachment the two share with one another.
Remember that Jedi are all still human(ish). Raised from the proper age or not, they are not just droids. Emotions and the need for attachment is something hardwired into all sentient beings that they must simply learn to overcome and control. It would probably be expected at some point that even the most perfect of students would begin to have thoughts of a life outside the order and may even stretch the boundaries of what the Jedi code would allow with personal relationships.
If you think about it, this would actually make sense as a trial for Anakin, one that all young jedi must go through to choose a life within the order, or a life where you are free to pursue earthly attachments. But Anakin wants it all.
The problem is that the movies make it seem like Anakin is the first Jedi in history to feel this way and it makes the Jedi look like dunces for not realizing it. It would be better if they understood his connection to her, and instead just underestimated how strong it was and how willing he would be to lie to them. Not sure how this could be better established though.
Eh. Just let Anikan get some tuchas. I don't like the whole "Cloistered Sexless" thing the jedi have. It's creepy. There are better ways to lead Anikan to the Dark Side.
Darth Hade said:
One of the problems I had with yellow Sith eyes in the prequels is the simple fact that we never see Dooku with them.
If you're going to do it, George, then at least be consistent about it. Ass.
Was the 'ass' really necessary?
sans_fi said:
Watching the prequels, ive realised how easily would be to edit out the whole "forbidden love" plot from Episode III. Mainly because there are more scenes where people perfectly know that this is going on and dont care than scenes in wich this matters.
The only problem is that it will make Anakin's story through Episode II much shorter, but i guess you can include Padme's family for character development.
Things that will improve if you did this:
_You get rid of many crappy dialogue_Is less unbelieable for Padme to fall for Anakin after he acts like an idiot or kills people. Its stupid, but if she was already his girlfriend while all that things happens, she will be more inclined to support him and go around with him. Just leave the Love as a classic guy meets girl and they fall for each other almost a day before meeting from almost every single fairy tale. The thing is, if you dont question that love in the movie, you dont question why would they fall in love.
_Scenes like the waterfall scene, or Padme going to Tatooine, arent as forced as they are now, they are just development of a young couple.
_Obi Wan will know about this, and will be OK with this. Wich will help in scenes that he would obviously know this, like everytime Anakin talks about Padme or in the "What would Padme do in your position?" scene.
Have you realsied how NOBODY cares about their marriage? Obi Wan obviously knows through all the story, Anakin tells Yoda he is worried about loosing someone he loves, the council dosnt care to send the two alone to Naboo, and then again after the clone wars start, and ANYONE can see that Padme is pregnant. Seems like the only ones that mention this or care about this are Padme and Anakin.
You can fall in love, you can get married, you can have kids, you simply must accept that when they die you have to let them go.
Watch L8wrtr's edit of Attack of the Clones. He accomplishes exactly what you said perfectly. Actually, watch L8wrtr's edit anyways. It's the best AOTC edit out there.
So I’ve been working on my Phantom Menace edit for a little while now, and I’ve come up with an idea that requires some…outsourcing, so to speak.
In short, I plan to give Darth Maul more “lines” in the film to better establish his character. I don’t want to reveal how I plan to do this edit-wise (though if I may say so myself, it’s a pretty great idea. :p) but I can say this: I need someone to SPEAK those lines for me.
So I was wondering: is there anyone who thinks they could do a somewhat reasonable Peter-Serafinowicz-as-Darth-Maul-Impression? Or am I hoping for the impossible?
Is it to late to say that I still want Anikan to use a blue saber? :p
Btw, are you changing Griveous' voice for this edit?
Erikstormtrooper said:
Coov said:
OK... what if somehow it were edited that he had his "ANH" saber the whole time? Maybe reveal it by igniting it right before his last leap with 2 sabers, and Obi picks it up on the rocks?
Not bad. That allows for his saber to be red during the duel, but lets Obi Wan still retrieve the blue ANH one.
Definetly the best idea I've seen so far regarding the issue, and also the most realistic. It also adds a little danger and surprise to Anakin's seemingly suicidal jump.
gobalicious said:
jonathan7 said:
On the whole lightsaber issue/problem. Had a sort of wild idea; could Anakin give Obi-Wan his lightsaber the last time they see each other before Obi-Wan leaves for Utapao. Instead of Anakin saying "Your going to need me" - Could it be changed to "you might need this", and then move into a close up of two hands with the lightsaber changing hands?
Just a thought... It could also mean that he already has a red blade when he cuts Windu's arm off. Would possibly change the perspective of Anakin turning up at Palpatine's office that he had already decided to side with Palpatine and made himself a new saber.
Just a thought...
It's a good idea.
Instead of Palpatine's lightsaber falling out the window, it could fall on the floor. Anakin would then pick it up and use it to slice Mace. This would then be the saber that he uses in the duel.
As for why Obi-Wan needs Anakin's saber, he is going against Grievous who is known to fight with multiple sabers. In addition, Obi-Wan does eventually lose his lightsaber. Maybe you could cut the scene where he gets it back, so that he does in fact need Anakin's lightsaber to escape order 66. Maybe he even uses Anakin's saber in the duel? However, you have the question of why doesn't Obi-Wan use Anakin's saber versus Grievous, unless you cut it so he loses it before then or have some other death for Grievous.
That still really doesn't make sense. Why are two sabers better then one?
jonathan7 said:
On the whole lightsaber issue/problem. Had a sort of wild idea; could Anakin give Obi-Wan his lightsaber the last time they see each other before Obi-Wan leaves for Utapao. Instead of Anakin saying "Your going to need me" - Could it be changed to "you might need this", and then move into a close up of two hands with the lightsaber changing hands?
Just a thought... It could also mean that he already has a red blade when he cuts Windu's arm off. Would possibly change the perspective of Anakin turning up at Palpatine's office that he had already decided to side with Palpatine and made himself a new saber.
Just a thought...
Why would Obi-Wan need ANAKIN'S lightsaber?
Bingowings said:
Perhaps to minimise the amount of subtitles the general rule could be that aliens speak alien to each other but English to humans.
You don't want a Star Wars film to be a reading experience (that's what Star Wars novels are for).
I'm gonna do that for droids, but not for the Nemoidians and the Gungans.