MrBrown

zeropc said:

best audio track to ensure it's uncensored and 100% the original mono is the laserdisc audio.. period. this is one is already synced to the japanese bd :-P

 That didn't answer the questions at all.

1.: Even if the japanese BD has a higher bitrate compared to both US releases, I still don't know if the image quality is any better, compared to the newer US release.

2.: Even if there might be a synced LaserDisc Audio, which is great (thanks for hinting it), I now just need to find it, without using torrent (using torrents in Germany got quite dangerous), it still doesn't answer the question if the japanese Audio is uncensored itself.

So, next time, if you use your tongue smiley, make sure you did at least answer questions you are seem to mock about with your smiley.

Edit: Just to answer my own (second) question, I now know that the japanese BD Audio is censored in all 6 stated points.

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the 3D Blu Ray has the same ratio?

 Stated to be 2.40:1 according to the ofdb.de entry.

Edit:

There is a caps-a-holic comparison between the UK Special Edition BD and the US 3D BD...

...it is indeed the same AR.

Does anyone know what's about the japanese BD?

Maybe they used another audio Track, oder even did some kind of remaster themselfes...

SilverWook said:

MrBrown said:

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Top Gun open matte 2:1 vs. 2.35:1

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 The Top Gun caps are quite the revelation. I'm going to have to look at my HD DVD version again sometime. Probably the same as the Blu Ray I would guess...

 The HD-DVD from USa is stated to be 2.40:1 while the german one is stated to be 2.35:1 at ofdb.de. But I think both will be the same with the BD aspect ratio...

edit:

The US DVD with the 2.00:1 and the Full screen Version is stetd to be Pan & Scan in the Full Screen Version.

Well I always say "Full Screen" but today with standard 16:9 TVs old full screen is more to be a pillow boxed narrow screen :)

skoal said:

The information in the replies are great to know. However, it seems most consumers and the powers that be don't seem to care for open-matte.

It's a shame many films are matted before distribution rather than use the technology & options built into players/displays to (soft-)matte (real-time). It's true in some cases PQ would suffer, however in many cases I don't think PQ would suffer too much.

 It seems to be that with Widescreen TVs the consumers tend to want the matted releases to fill their Screen. Also much Open matted filmed movies where intented to be matted for Cinema, but Full Screen movies where cheaper to shoot compared to anamorphic lenses.

USA seems to Tietze only country with Full Screen and additional Widescreen releases in that times for home entertainment, in Germany wie usuelle got either fullscreen (first Time releases, ie. Dawn of the Dead, Cujo and Killing Zoe) or Widescreen releases. Or After a New Master was obtained a Second or third Release using the Widescreen Master. (all newer Dawn of the Dead are Widescreen).

Some Comparisons are up at the DVD area of caps-a-holic.

Top Gun open matte 2:1 vs. 2.35:1

Hellraiser 3 (old german Red Edition DVD Full screen open matte)

Terminator 3 (Canadian Full Screen DVD)

Just to name some...

I have a german languaged (and with German Starting Credits) open matted Version of George A. Romeros European 'Argento' Cut of "Dawn of the Dead". (Sorry, not english friendly.)

I really love open Matted Versions with more informations, and I think it should be common to bring both Versions to the masses (like the original "Evil Dead" BD).

I also remember that my VHS Tapes of "Desperado" and "From dusk till dawn" were open matted.

I might be wrong, but according to the caps at caps-a-holic the french one of Mother of Tearsseem to be slightly dnr'ed compared to the AT Disc. Also the turly seem to have some bit more compression artefacts, if I see correct at the caps.

The unedited "Devil's Advocary" NTSC DVD was (or is) up at spleen, as far as I know.

Also, I never read on an unedited PAL Version on DVD. Seems as iv Warner pulled the plug just after the NTSC rental release, before it was even released to the PAL world.

there seem only to be old VHS PAL releases with the unedited Version, and MAYBE LD release.

Great!

Now I have to find a way to get these two gems in Germany. Would be both nice AddOns to my more than double dipping content of T1 nd T2 releases.

Inferno seems to be a tough call. If I compare shot 01 at caps-a-holic.com ( http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=1242&disc2=1243&cap1=11871&cap2=11883&art=full&image=0&hd_multiID=84&action=1&lossless=#vergleich ) I would prefer the AT Disc compared to the US Disc. But Shot 03 would let me chose the US disc..

I don't know how the FR disc is, I just had it in my hand a few days, and it kept sealed... :)

Maybe it should not be a BD 50 trilogy disc, but three discs, with each one movie, containing a selection of two of the remarkable transfers. With the best posible audio for both versions. ^^

i.e. Inferno could be a collection of the US and the AT Version...

Allready owning the AT Discs for all three Movies a disc with foreign harder to get transfers would be more interesteing then a disc with the three AT Versions losing the german audio track...

Maybe you just pick someone randomly who helped with one of your projects in some kind (helpful suggestions, donations, ressources) also the winner, and recipient (if he agree to take them) should have to pay the shipping..

Even if the Television Cut DVD release is not great, what about adding the TV Cut as an bonus feature to the Disc? Even without subtitles would it be a nice addition.

dark_jedi said:

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Still confused by what any of this means for us, but oh well, and still what is a BRD?

 Some people shorten BluRay Disc as "BRD" and not "BD".

superbura said:

reinvention said:

Does anyone have a CG invite? I would love one if possible :)

 Me too. Please PM me with a carmageddon invite, you kind soul out there in cyber space...

 Gravedigger.

If you can use google translations for some describing sentence, then this may help:

Comparison between US Theatrical Cut and european cut:

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=540745

Here is a comparison between the Theatrical Cut and the Director's Cut.

Won't be trying to make you to give up your faith bring the opposide effect?

The only thing I can do is make you think on and give you points ro rethink particular points of some parts of the believed things. Like your believe that homosexuality "is a sin".

As you said: You maybe wrong. I think (and believe) on that certain point you are wrong, but I do not hing that you are wrong to have a strong faith in christianity and god.

I do not whish anyone something such strong and bad that make him or her loose the faith.

I think we both could agree on some things:

One bad thing is that some (maybe much) religios people are not only believe something is a sin, but they also believe that they have to judge people.

Another bad thing is that extreme poeple of a group of people can give the whole group a bad public flavour.

Even if I am not very religious, I would say one of the most important arguments pro any sort of religion: Hope.

One of the moste things Religions are providing is "hope".

Hope, that next live is better.

Hope, that there is some meaning in life.

Hope, that the "rightous men" will benefit from living their "rightous life". (What is rightous is defined by the religion in question.)

Hope, that the people, which are abusing other people just for their own benefit in this world will get punished in the next one.

Warbler said:

I don't screw around with your life.   Me stating my beliefs that homosexuality is a sin does not screw around with your life.   I also believe in allowing people to live their lives how they want as long they don't hurt anyone.    Stop grouping me and other Christians like me with the Christians like the westboro baptists.     If the woman in the vid thinks that homosexuality is as bad as murder,  she's wrong.    As for trying to convert you, as long as people aren't breaking any laws or invading your privacy or whatnot, I don't see it as an issue.  But no one should force you to convert.     I don't know what happened to your partner in his childhood.   I will take your word for it that it was something terrible.  I am sorry to hear it, but I and Ric_Olie2 and the woman in the video aren't responsible for it.

Finally, when you call:

(Christianity)

• the most important thing in my life
• a thing people like me have died for
• a thing  I and some of my family would be willing to die for,
• a thing that is the reason for living for many
• a thing that defines who I am
• a thing that is my reason for believing that all my loved ones are in heaven
• a thing where I believe a totally innocent and perfect person suffered and died for things I did

certainly made up crap from the bronze age, f___ing nonsense and compare to fascism and falsely accuse me of screwing around with your life,  and wish that people that believe as I do would die, why are you surprised that I would get upset? 

p.s. if there is anyone here showing fascism tendencies, its you.  After all which one of us is wishing death(and making it clear they mean it) on people just for saying what they believe?

Maybe you are not screwing with the live of homosexuals, but you cannot deny that much christians do, adid in the past. Also there was and is much fascism like acting amongst much christians in the name of christianity and god. And you may believe that these people are also wrong and act not in the name of god, but the fact is that these people just believe(d) that, and in your own argumentation, they are as right as you bringing death in the name of god, as you are calling homosexuality a sin. So, if you say these people are wrong in what they were and are doing, you are also in the possibility of being wrong, or who are you to judgy such things? Are you the only judging instance regarding god's will: God?

Also, as always, the bad attitude showing persons of a group are the one which brings bad blood towards this group.

I got a bit back in the thread, but I lost patience, so I just ask:

Is there somwhere a list of the planned Special Features in the projected disc, and their Source regarding the planned Terminator 2?

I add some more caps from the Video (same link to dropbox as some posts earlier).

For viewing with my popcorn hour I ripped the DVD to a mkv, so there are no top and bottom bars on the new screenshots.

I should stop to multi dip some titles, I now have ordered an US Extreme Edition Double DVD via eBay. Because it looks better than the German Ultimnate Edition DVD, and the US Ultimate Edition DVD. Also I have a japanese release (Premium Edition ver. 2.0) on its way to me. (Should arrive February.)

But I think now its time just to wait for Team Blu release...

Regarding the Color of the Carolco Logo:

Somehow I remember it more sepia than the Logo on the new Terminator 2 releases. I remember, that I was quite irritated by the metallic look, when I saw it first that way.

TServo2049 said:

Don't get too excited about this old transfer.

A lot of 80s/early 90s transfers looked very "neutralized", probably in order to read better on CRTs - for example, in early transfers of Empire, Hoth looked very white (more white than any extant print sources we've seen), and Yoda (and Dagobah in general) looked almost gray.

I'm wondering if this transfer also had a yellow boost so that the image would "read" better - the Carolco logo looks almost sepia-tone.

Not trying to pooh-pooh it - just saying that the Siskel and Ebert clips, which were during the theatrical release and thus clearly not timed for home video, have a much more pronounced blue cast in the night shots than that old DVD (possibly originally LD) transfer.

 Yeah, you might be right. But to be honest, I didn't expect much from that DVD. Because normally such german releases from smaller companies, without use of an international big master are not as good as that. Also I expected paler colors, and I would not have wondered if it wouldn't have been non anamorphic widescreen, but a zoomed in full screen.

Maybe it has some colorboost, but at least it is not as colorrevisited, as the new releases. So maybe it is possible to get a bit nearer to the theatrical color timing.

Sure no need to get too excited, but better to check, then to leave a possible opportunity.

At least it is a nice DVD to add to my DVD/BD collection... (...and again a multidip.. damnit. :) )

You_Too said:

@MrBrown: Interesting, since in some scenes the color timing is just different and doesn't look like a hue error.

 If the DVD would have been anamorphic, I would say on some scenes it has a better quality than the newer Extended Edition...

...maybe I find a way to get the Videostream for analysis purpose ripped (into an anamorphic (for size) mpeg4 stream, and, if Team Blu is interested, bring that somehow into Team Blu hands.

You_Too said:

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@MrBrown: Would you post some more shot comparisons? Not only ones that are blue. You see I think this is a classic hue error, like I've seen on some LD vs DVD comparisons. If it had been a different color timing I think Arnold's skin would've looked more natural, not just another hue.

 Sure. Here the dropbox link to the T2 caps. Those with big bars are the one from the older disc, those with narrow bars are from the anamorphic new disc. Both were taken with VLC under same settings.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kekff8udwqy6v7v/sk8DLM6c38

Today a got an older german DVD release of the theatrical cut. The DVD is from 1998, three years befor the THX Extended Edition was avaible. It only has german audio, and is non anamorphic widescreen. Quality is not the best, but it may be interesting.

I took one cap from the THX remastered SE and the old DVD to compare-

New DVD: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q59fi8864kfdidn/vlcsnap-2014-01-07-16h02m54s250.png

Old DVD: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzlo7ptflr4cfp8/vlcsnap-2014-01-07-16h02m58s137.png

It seem to have some slight differences in coloring...