MrBrown

kk650 said:

kaosjm said:

Beber: I stand corrected. Your link is dead but luckily I still had the image on my phone and just referenced it. You are correct... the 35mm print I saw had much more yellow to it and was not as orange as this:

I apologize for the confusion.

What you are describing sounds similar to the regraded Terminator 2 release I did, it looks more yellow and less orange in that scene as well. Here's a screencap from that scene taken from my regrade:

 More Yellow like this one?

Stamper said:

Kaos, what was the general color in the biker bar at the opening? I remember it not being as brown as the DVD, more Blue like. Saw it 14 times on year of release, so I'm certain Cameron changed this for the VHS/LD and all the other versions.

 To baad I never saw it in theatre, but I raised with this kind of look at the bar scene.

Anything you need for that?

I have some DVD and BD releases of this Movie. (At least one PAL DVD has a uncensored englisch DD 2.0 Track.)

Another German Full screen DVD:

Maniac Cop

Evem if it is not Full Screen, ist is more open matted:

The Criterion DVD of "Robocop" (No list would be complete without it. :) )

Also there was a German languaged "Bad Taste" DVD releas ein 4:3 Full Screen.

UK "Brainscan" DVD was Full screen.

One of the two german "God's Army" (The Prophecy) DVDs was Full Screen. (the "not american Cut)

The old german DVD of "Lord of the Flies" (The REMAKE from 1991) was open matted.

Some more caps-a-holic links, with Full Screen comparison versions:

Cujo (UK and CH Versions are Full Screen.. well CH Version is very bad...)

Killing Zoe (the old German release in the comparison was Full screen.. without english Audio)

Braindead (okay, UK and AT are not Full Screen, but has an odd AR)

The Dentist (German languaged DVD is Full screen... not english friendly)

Jackie Brown (old German DVD was Full Screen. WideScreen was achieved with a subtitle track containung Black Bars...)

Jason goes to Hell (UK DVD)

American Ninja 2 and American Ninja 3 (both have Full screen US releases)

Army of Darkness (old German DVDs)

and as an example: First DVD Releases of Stanley Kubrick movies, like "Full Metal Jacket"

And here is (maybe again?) the link to the comparison of Euro Cut of Dawn of the Dead (first german release is 1.33:1 open matte)

Very Bad Things (old german Full Screen DVD open matte, but slightly censored)

...and we never should forget old Disney Movies. ie.: The Djungle Book...

TServo2049 said:

It's also on Amazon.de: http://www.amazon.de/Terminator-1-Arnold-Schwarzenegger/dp/B00004RYC8

If you're in another country and have an Amazon account, you can still get it as long if one of the sellers ships to your country.

And there are some clips on YouTube recorded off a TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XKD2OW0a8o

Notice at the end that there's no Harlan Ellison acknowledgment, and Donna Smith's credit scrolls up at the head of the credit roll after the last shot fades out, instead of fading in over the last shot. I think these are the original theatrical end credits...

 I would be carefull with that offer.. the amazon.de page is for the more than five minut censored FSK 16 release.

But, we should get back to topic regarding the TeamBlus BD release.

Damtn that I cannot use torrents in Germany that easy. I really would love to get my hands on the two discs. (NO! I won't give away my Temrinator 1 DVD :D )

Chewtobacca said:

TServo2049 said:  Holy crap, I think that German version might be a straight transfer of a theatrically-timed source.

I'd certainly love to get my hands on it.

For all people get down on the new "teal and orange" Blu-ray transfer, but I am wondering if it's less pure revisionism and more an exaggerated/bastardized version of the theatrical timing.

That's been my suspicion for a while.

 It is up on ebay

here

and here

It was cutted 3 seconds in the scene when The terminator cutted his eye.

And it has only german audio.

And the version stands in my DVD shelf... but thats a place, where it is not for sale... :)

There was a slightly cutted (one scene) german DVD with the 1.66:1 Version. As you can see here there are more image informations on top and bottom, but less at the sides.

It only featured german mono audio, and was quite bad interlaced quality... :(

The 2.0 Audio from the austrian XT (PAL) DVD seems to be complete correct, while the 5.1 mix is faulty in all six points.

The japanese BD has a higher video bitrate than the new US BD. But I don't know what Master was used. 

Edit: Okay, I can answer this, now.

The japanese BD looks more like the anchor bay. Same AR, same color tones. Just a higher bitrate

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     DAY_OF_THE_DEAD_BD
Disc Size:      43.247.983.950 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 1:40:50.044 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   30.844.987.392 bytes
Total Bitrate:          40,79 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description    
-----                   -------             -----------    
MPEG-4 AVC Video        34985 kbps          1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description    
-----                           --------        -------         -----------    
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1684 kbps       6.1 / 48 kHz / 1684 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description    
-----                           --------        -------         -----------    
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        33,714 kbps                    
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        115,276 kbps                   
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        42,765 kbps                    
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        72,971 kbps                    
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        161,492 kbps                   

zeropc said:

best audio track to ensure it's uncensored and 100% the original mono is the laserdisc audio.. period. this is one is already synced to the japanese bd :-P

 That didn't answer the questions at all.

1.: Even if the japanese BD has a higher bitrate compared to both US releases, I still don't know if the image quality is any better, compared to the newer US release.

2.: Even if there might be a synced LaserDisc Audio, which is great (thanks for hinting it), I now just need to find it, without using torrent (using torrents in Germany got quite dangerous), it still doesn't answer the question if the japanese Audio is uncensored itself.

So, next time, if you use your tongue smiley, make sure you did at least answer questions you are seem to mock about with your smiley.

Edit: Just to answer my own (second) question, I now know that the japanese BD Audio is censored in all 6 stated points.

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the 3D Blu Ray has the same ratio?

 Stated to be 2.40:1 according to the ofdb.de entry.

Edit:

There is a caps-a-holic comparison between the UK Special Edition BD and the US 3D BD...

...it is indeed the same AR.

Does anyone know what's about the japanese BD?

Maybe they used another audio Track, oder even did some kind of remaster themselfes...

SilverWook said:

MrBrown said:

...

Top Gun open matte 2:1 vs. 2.35:1

...

 The Top Gun caps are quite the revelation. I'm going to have to look at my HD DVD version again sometime. Probably the same as the Blu Ray I would guess...

 The HD-DVD from USa is stated to be 2.40:1 while the german one is stated to be 2.35:1 at ofdb.de. But I think both will be the same with the BD aspect ratio...

edit:

The US DVD with the 2.00:1 and the Full screen Version is stetd to be Pan & Scan in the Full Screen Version.

Well I always say "Full Screen" but today with standard 16:9 TVs old full screen is more to be a pillow boxed narrow screen :)

skoal said:

The information in the replies are great to know. However, it seems most consumers and the powers that be don't seem to care for open-matte.

It's a shame many films are matted before distribution rather than use the technology & options built into players/displays to (soft-)matte (real-time). It's true in some cases PQ would suffer, however in many cases I don't think PQ would suffer too much.

 It seems to be that with Widescreen TVs the consumers tend to want the matted releases to fill their Screen. Also much Open matted filmed movies where intented to be matted for Cinema, but Full Screen movies where cheaper to shoot compared to anamorphic lenses.

USA seems to Tietze only country with Full Screen and additional Widescreen releases in that times for home entertainment, in Germany wie usuelle got either fullscreen (first Time releases, ie. Dawn of the Dead, Cujo and Killing Zoe) or Widescreen releases. Or After a New Master was obtained a Second or third Release using the Widescreen Master. (all newer Dawn of the Dead are Widescreen).

Some Comparisons are up at the DVD area of caps-a-holic.

Top Gun open matte 2:1 vs. 2.35:1

Hellraiser 3 (old german Red Edition DVD Full screen open matte)

Terminator 3 (Canadian Full Screen DVD)

Just to name some...

I have a german languaged (and with German Starting Credits) open matted Version of George A. Romeros European 'Argento' Cut of "Dawn of the Dead". (Sorry, not english friendly.)

I really love open Matted Versions with more informations, and I think it should be common to bring both Versions to the masses (like the original "Evil Dead" BD).

I also remember that my VHS Tapes of "Desperado" and "From dusk till dawn" were open matted.

I might be wrong, but according to the caps at caps-a-holic the french one of Mother of Tearsseem to be slightly dnr'ed compared to the AT Disc. Also the turly seem to have some bit more compression artefacts, if I see correct at the caps.

The unedited "Devil's Advocary" NTSC DVD was (or is) up at spleen, as far as I know.

Also, I never read on an unedited PAL Version on DVD. Seems as iv Warner pulled the plug just after the NTSC rental release, before it was even released to the PAL world.

there seem only to be old VHS PAL releases with the unedited Version, and MAYBE LD release.

Great!

Now I have to find a way to get these two gems in Germany. Would be both nice AddOns to my more than double dipping content of T1 nd T2 releases.

Inferno seems to be a tough call. If I compare shot 01 at caps-a-holic.com ( http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=1242&disc2=1243&cap1=11871&cap2=11883&art=full&image=0&hd_multiID=84&action=1&lossless=#vergleich ) I would prefer the AT Disc compared to the US Disc. But Shot 03 would let me chose the US disc..

I don't know how the FR disc is, I just had it in my hand a few days, and it kept sealed... :)

Maybe it should not be a BD 50 trilogy disc, but three discs, with each one movie, containing a selection of two of the remarkable transfers. With the best posible audio for both versions. ^^

i.e. Inferno could be a collection of the US and the AT Version...

Allready owning the AT Discs for all three Movies a disc with foreign harder to get transfers would be more interesteing then a disc with the three AT Versions losing the german audio track...

Maybe you just pick someone randomly who helped with one of your projects in some kind (helpful suggestions, donations, ressources) also the winner, and recipient (if he agree to take them) should have to pay the shipping..

Even if the Television Cut DVD release is not great, what about adding the TV Cut as an bonus feature to the Disc? Even without subtitles would it be a nice addition.

dark_jedi said:

...

Still confused by what any of this means for us, but oh well, and still what is a BRD?

 Some people shorten BluRay Disc as "BRD" and not "BD".

superbura said:

reinvention said:

Does anyone have a CG invite? I would love one if possible :)

 Me too. Please PM me with a carmageddon invite, you kind soul out there in cyber space...

 Gravedigger.

If you can use google translations for some describing sentence, then this may help:

Comparison between US Theatrical Cut and european cut:

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=540745

Here is a comparison between the Theatrical Cut and the Director's Cut.