So, to sum up, the best dialogue in the movie is probably the sound of the lighting guy sneezing which found its way into the mix...
Where is that?
So many to choose from. My least favs:
Jar-Jar: "Icky-pooey!"
Anakin: "Are you and angel?"/ "You're a funny little boy" (and the entire dialogue that ensues)
Anakin: "Now THIS is pod-racing!"
Kitster: "That's so wizard, Ani."
I don't hate TPM the way others do. But some of the dialogue is just excruciatingly bad.
Mr. Bungle said:
CO said:
I didn't cave as I am Star Wars BluRay 'Free' today, and I will always remember Katie Lucas's tweet (I am paraphrasing), "The haters will always hate and complain, and then buy the BluRay set."
Thanks Katie for motivating me to avoid your fathers products. ;)
I just tweeted her thanking her for doing the same for me. F that.
I am also enjoying watching the deleted scenes on YouTube before they are inevitably yanked by Lucasfilm.
Follow-up
Here's my exchange with Katie Lucas:
ME: No. To quote you, 'The haters will always hate & complain & then buy the BluRays.' Not me, thanks! RT @KRLgrrl Today's the day! You excited?
@KRLgrrl How thrilling for you!
ME: You asked.
Normally I don't get into this kind of crap, but I found her original taunt on Twitter to be particularly annoying, and to be just the reason why I shouldn't open my wallet for them. That and the fact that she calls herself "grrl".
CO said:
I didn't cave as I am Star Wars BluRay 'Free' today, and I will always remember Katie Lucas's tweet (I am paraphrasing), "The haters will always hate and complain, and then buy the BluRay set."
Thanks Katie for motivating me to avoid your fathers products. ;)
I just tweeted her thanking her for doing the same for me. F that.
I am also enjoying watching the deleted scenes on YouTube before they are inevitably yanked by Lucasfilm.
CO said:
Tomorrow the Blurays come out, and this will be the first big SW release that I am not a part of. Pretty sad, that i have to be a martyr towards these movies, but I would honestly feel dirty if I went out and bought the Bluray set and just keep thinking Lucas is laughing at me that I caved in again.
I feel the exact same. Was looking forward to this about a month ago. However, the "Nooooooooo!" was a good wake-up call. I can no longer give money over to endorse this crap.
georgec said:
I'll go so far as to say people who are broader fans of film in general seem to prefer the UOT. No, I don't have statistics or proof - just an observation for various discussions with people and on the web throughout the years.
I would agree with that statement, and it seems like a growing sentiment.
I am rather new here. I'd been a Lucas apologist for years, putting up with the changes in the OT and yes, enjoying some of the PT (I still do like ROTS for the most part). However, the latest changes to the OT broke me. "Noooo!", The Krayt Fart-Moan, Artoo Rocks...I'd had enough. Stop fucking with it, already. I started reading posts on here and the material on savingstarwars.com, and I realized how wrong suppressing the OOT really is on a pure artistic level. People keep refering to Lucas as the artist. Well, there were hundreds of artists involved in the OOT who are now having their cinematic contributions systematically erased. That led me to start posting a bit here and downloading Harmy's editions, which I love, and will have to suffice until the OOT finally is released.
As for the perception of this forum, I have to say that this is fairly tame and civil compared to the "discourse" I've seen elsewhere. You wanna see vile fanboy rage? Take a look at any talkback on aintitcool.com regarding George Lucas and/or Star Wars. While at times amusing, some of the nerd rage goes beyond scum & villainy. No other movie or director spawns this much debate.
There are a few morons lurking here, but I think most people just share the want for Lucas to ultimately do the right thing.
Flatnate said:
zombie84 said:
There are two reasons that I can see why Lucas is doing this:
1) He truely was never fully satisfied with the originals and enjoys tinkering around with them. He did this from the beginning--all the 1977 sound re-mixes, the 1981 crawl, he even tried to restore the ANH Jabba scene back then.
So this is nothing new.
But obviously, 1997/2004/2011 tinkering is much, much different than those. So what changed?
Lucas stopped making films and now this is all he has left. In 1981 he could care less about going to so far as to add dinosaurs to Mos Eisley because he was in the middle of shooting Raiders of the Lost Ark, he was about to make Return of the Jedi, and he had just finished producing Kagemusha and Empire Strikes Back. He was thinking about his retirement from the series and was planning on getting back to making experimental films and producing more interesting movies.
That's the biggest factor, IMO.
The 80s came. He got divorced, let go of Star Wars, took a few years to get his personal life back in order, sorted out his finances. Produced some interesting films like that weird John Korty animated film and Tucker and Captain Eo, made Willow, made two more Indiana Jones sequels, got into the business side of Lucasfilm and advanced the computer division and the video game division.
The 1990s then come. Finally he is financially powerful again, had his "rest", had his "family time" where he adopted two more kids, had his fun producing and being the business guy and now was finally going to be a director again, make those weird film that he always said he was going to make.
But instead he went back to Star Wars. And he would stay there. More books, more comics, more toys, more video releases--he realized there was a sleeping empire there. He starts planning on putting that Jabba scene back in ANH like he wanted to do in 1981, but now he starts getting swept away after Jurassic Park and the CG revolution and within a few years he is using the project as an excuse to dabble in computer technology. But he can't get away from Star Wars. An elaborate Special Edition. Another prequel. Another prequel. A TV cartoon. A DVD Special Edition. Another prequel. Another TV cartoon. A live-action series. More books and games. Another Blu Ray Special Edition.
Other than a mediocre Indiana Jones--and, maybe finally, Red Tails if it ever comes out--that's all Lucas has done for about twenty years. Longer than his "retirement." He started working on the SE in 1993 and TPM in 1994, and now it's going on 2012 and he's still stuck there.
So, he has nothing else. He has no other films to put his creative energy into. There's no experimental films, no original ideas, no non-Star Wars films where he is behind the camera, no nothing, just Star Wars. And now he is so old that he never will ever direct another film again. He'll just be stuck with Star Wars, so while in the past he could tinker here and there but otherwise let it be and move on to other things, he's stuck, and all he can do is obsess over them and tinker and tinker and tinker. And when dealing with the older films, he's not the same person who made them in 1976, 1979 and 1982, so it's like he is taking some stranger's film who shares some vague notions with himself and is trying to re-shape them to better reflect himself now. Old George Lucas is literally trying to out-muscle Young George Lucas.
This goes into reason number 2
2) He's creatively castrated himself in his old age and success. Puggo explained this rather eloquently. It's actually not that abnormal. He became so successful, so wealthy, and so isolated from the real world that he lost the ability to be in touch with other human beings through his art, lost the ability to write captivating or engaging scenes and characters. Sometimes, creativity needs to be exercised or else it withers away like an underused muscle. But more importantly, Lucas lost his collaborators. He was never quite as talented as everyone suspected but he knew how to smartly overcome his limitations by surrounding himself with collaborators and letting himself be challenged. That situation no longer exists, because he has willed it so.
So, you have a man with nothing creative or artistic in his life except this one franchise, which he can't get away from, he has to keep going back because he doesn't have anything else to go to. And then when he does, he has all these awful ideas, because he's not what he used to be, and no one says anything about them, because he's created his own world that he can live and work in.
And so Lucas is stuck in this endless cycle. Rick McCallum said it best, there will be no definitive Star Wars version until Lucas dies. And we'll have to see each painful permutation of it as this aging billionaire with a fading creative impulse and a plantation of lackeys keeps bringing his baby to the plastic surgeon to get her to look the way he thinks he wants.
Great summation, though I disagree with one thing here. The last Indiana Jones movie was not mediocre. It was an awful and decrepit piece of filmmaking. I'd rather watch George's prequels a million times over before watching that again.
To pay for the prostitutes.
zombie84 said:
Let me just say one thing: Lucas wears a "Han shot first" t-shirt.
Good point. Hard to believe he doesn't know, er, "NOOOoooOOooOo!"
DominicCobb said:
miker71 said:
Just like Lucas couldn't/wouldn't secure rights to Flash Gordon, we need an exciting new franchise to get behind (and it won't be from Cameron either). I'm optimistic that can happen, but I think it will be "underground" global phenomena rather than overground corporate shilled-to-death. The Matrix came close IMO, but no cigar.
I don't think I agree with you about Cameron.
Think of it this way: Sci-fi epic is released, becomes a must see event by pushing visual effects to the next level, and it ends up being the highest grossing film of all time. Critical reception is mostly positive, it is nominated for many Oscars including Best Picture which it loses, but many people don't believe in the hype. Granted, the film builds much of its content from pre-existing properties.
Now stop. What film have I described? Star Wars. I know many dislike Avatar, but Star Wars wasn't a sacred cow when it was released either. Now I'm sure most of you discovered Star Wars when you were kids right? Well I doubt you could find a kid that has seen Avatar and didn't like it. Also, Avatar 2 and 3 haven't even come out yet. So we should wait before we pass too much judgement.
As a side note, I think everyone should be looking forward to Avatar 2. If you've seen Aliens, Terminator 2, or, hell the Empire Strikes Back, you should know what kind of movie we'll get.
I see your point, but I wouldn't lump Terminator 2 in with the others. T2 is essentially a remake of the original with a much higher budget. I actually prefer the original.
thedaner said:
Monolithium said:
CO said:
theprequelsrule said:
Wow. How does this guy have any credibility? I noticed the colour problems immediately (the Tantive's laser blasts were so dull).
You have to remember that Bill Hunt is routinely invited to Skywalker Ranch for previews when the DVD's came out and the Blurays just a few weeks ago.
If he blasts Lucasfilm, then he won't get that invite anymore. I email him all the time that he needs to take a stand against Lucas tinkering with these films and stop attending these Lucasfilm promotions because he doesn't look objective.Of course, I dont' get a response, and I'm sure he will give this Bluray set a nice review, and just a passing mention that the movies have been altered again, and no originals in this set either.
Bingo.
Most reviewers will only say negative things about a release once they can get lost in the sea of complaints by other "respected" reviewers. And that is usually only a few years later.
Well, then he's in the same camp as theforce.net
I don't know. If this set doesn't correct the lightsaber issues (as it apparently does not), Hunt may really lay into them and forgo said "Ranch Invite". He'd been told and reported in that visit to the Ranch that the issues had been resolved. He seemed really peeved in yesterday's post re: the 3D story (which turned out to be old) and I have a feeling "the end" of his being nice to Lucasfilm is nigh.
none said:
TV's Frink wrote: The linked story is from June.
and in August came:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3D-STAR-WARS-for-the-masses-anytime-soon/post/522943/#TopicPost522943
...and a few posts later a familiar.. oh who's got time to read when you can gripe.
Sorry, folks. I posted this story after seeing it posted by Bill Hunt (thedigitalbits.com) yesterday as news. Didn't know it was so dated.
sans_fi said:
I think George Lucas has a list. George's List. Where he takes note of all the things Fans hate about Star Wars but he likes.
_Hayden Christensen, Check.
_Ewoks, Check.
_Gungans, Check.
_Random CG characters in the background, Check.
_Darth Vader screaming Nooo, Check.Then he thinks: Im going to avenge my movies by trolling the guys that insulted them, with extreme irony. I cant do this on Star Wars or Empire unless i want people throwing me stones while walking the street, ill have to add all this to Return of the Jedi.
Dont you think its TOO coincidental that every major criticised element of the prequels, those that became internet memes and that appear every time someone is insulting the prequels, ALL of them, appear in Return of the Jedi? It was already the worst of the OT and now it is a perfect compendium of the elements fans hated about the prequels. Return of the Jedi has become George Lucas finger, and he is not just showing it, he is charging us to see it.
He's either completely ignorant to the internet meme and mockery of "NOOOOOO" (hard to believe), or yes, he's being a total dick. Either way, Lucas is awful. And you bring up a good point. ROTJ is a good stomping ground. Though I was watching Harmy's ESB last night and was surprising how many little tweaks have been done to it over the years.
Unreal and so very funny.
http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/56618-massive-star-wars-3d-remakes-may-be-cut-short
DuracellEnergizer said:
American Hominid said:
I actually like some of the paintings. They remind me of the one of the things I like(d) best about SW - the pre-production, EU, and trading card artwork that made it feel like a universe. I mean, that's what SW is to me, so Boba Fett riding a giant lizard, absolutely, put it in there.
This kind of thing:
These pieces are still much better than the diarrhea in the Blu Ray books, IMO.
Agreed. I hope someone posts a cap of the paining of Han with the Ewoks. So laughably terrible. I'm actually glad that the artwork blows. It makes everything associated with the set a total fail.
JasonN said:
ray_afraid said:
Hostmaster said:
What the hell is happening here???
Not sure, but I'm thinking up several captions to go with that pic. :P
I am thinking that this has something to do with "Droids". I believe there's an "Easter Egg" containing some of that cartoon series as well as some of the Holiday Special (thus the horrible artwork of Fett on the dragon).
Seriously, who the F did this artwork? Why not just include children's crayon drawings.
JasonN said:
Ah, the hell with it.... go ahead and put my name down on for the "Boycott the Blu-rays" list, I just cancelled my preorder at Amazon. :P
[applause!]
Check out the collage with Han and the Ewoks at 1:41. I mean...WTF is THAT.
The terrible artwork further demonstrates how little The Guy In Charge cares anymore. Really pitiful.
Laserschwert said:
The saddest thing is: Lucas is friends with Drew Struzan! Imagine this set being completely illustrated by him...
I still wouldn't buy it.
Harmy said:
But seriously, it is indeed really sad that for the first time since 97, they finally decided to go with painted artwork rather then the horrible photoshoped collages and they pick something this ugly. I saw a book of SW art in a book store the other day and there were some awesome pictures there, so it's not like there nothing to choose from. Hell, 90% of deviant art SW pictures I see on the net are better than this.
Agreed. This artwork is revolting. Certainly makes not buying it an even easier decision.
Good God...that artwork is simply dreadful. Sad, really.
Harmy said:
doubleofive said:
And 7 people are wanting the Prequel set only? Say what you will about the prequels, but no bonus features at all makes any trilogy-only purchase kind of silly to me. I guess there really are people out there who only like the prequels.Well, that's not necessarily the case, there may be peolpe who like the prequels and love the OT but hate the SEs, especially in their current colour screwed up form - these people may buy the PT set only.
I'd consider getting it to have along Harmy's despecialized edition, but I just can't stomach the thought of giving GL any more money.
A good day: having two friends tell me they're not buying this set after initially pre-ordering on Amazon.
I don't know a single friend buying it.
