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dlbsyst said:

adywan said:

yes his is better. I would have assumed that all the laserdisc pressings were the same, which is why i didn't bother to see if i could borrow his in the first place. We both purchased our copies off ebay. There is another difference too. On his he has a dolby digital video before the movie starts whereas mine goes from the fox opening directly to the movie. No dolby digital vid at all. very strange indeed

But the sound is so much better than my disc and now at least i won't have to work with all the filters in vegas to try and eliminate the DRC from the original recording.

 

WOW. It sounds like yours is a bootleg. I didn't even know they existed.

This is a fascinating discovery.

Bootleg laserdiscs did exist, but they were extremely rare. I've heard of unauthorized releases of Titanic, Jurassic Park and Lady and the Tramp that were available in Singapore or China, but I've never heard of the existence of a bootleg LD of TPM.

Ady did you check the mint marks? The official disc should be manufactured by Pioneer Japan.

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I'm disappointed that only a small number of members have voluntarily amended their signatures. Does anyone actaully read these announcement threads?

dlbsyst said:

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I can hear massive amounts of dynamic compression going on in this mix especially in the loud parts. It sounds to me like the soft parts have been brought up and the loud parts have been brought down. E

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Is it possible something slipped in when you assembled/recoded the sound in Vegas?

It is possible that Ady decoded the AC3 to six channels with DRC enabled. Unlikely though, BeSweet defaults to a straight decode with no DRC or DialNorm, and I would expect that Ady knows what he's doing.  I don't even know if AC3 on LD contains the same DRC profile metadata as AC3 on DVD.

schorman13 said:

Ady, is there any chance you could make the actual LD ac3 audio available?  Why did it need to be re-encoded in the first place?

It needed patching to fix the gaps at the LD side changes.

In VDub, select Video -> Compression, choose Cedocida, then click on 'Configure'.

Are you using Cedocida to decode the DV? If so, what option have you selected for the YV12 subsampling? (I think AviSynth assumes MPEG2 interlaced subsampling.)

Mielr said:

Just for clarification- the script used for these discs stabilized the gate-weave and improved the aliasing as well (like in the PWNAGE edition)? The reason I ask is because in addition to everything else, the aliasing seems improved too.

Yes, g-force's script includes an anti-aliasing stage (it uses the newer NNEDI2 filter, which wasn't available when I did the Pwnage Edition).

From that image, there does seem to still be a bit of horizontal EE, but almost no vertical EE. From what I remember the R1 DVD was a vertical EE nightmare, with ringing apearing over every bright horizontal edge.

The old article I remember reading is here:
http://www.videophile.info/Review/TPM/TPM_01.htm

I've seen something like this before when I was doing the Japanese laserdisc transfer for The Evil Dead. I can't remember exactly what caused it, but I think it was something to do with colourspace conversions and IVTC.

What does you script look like again?

adywan said:

... I'm actually starting to think that the halo effect has always been there. Its present in the trailers also.

Really? I read that the trailer (on the R1 DVD) is encoded with quite a low bitrate and isn't quite as detailed, but shows almost no EE.

So PowerDVD says the audio is Dolby Digital 5.1 EX 448kbps. I thought the maximum AC3 datarate on a laserdisc was 384kbps? Or is PowerDVD giving the wrong information? (Too lazy to demux and check myself.)

Also, the official R1 NTSC DVD has horrendous halos due to edge enhancement (the R2 PAL disc had them as well, but not as bad). I've read that the HDTV source still had some halos, but was much better. Anyone with the R1 DVD want to do some screenshot comparisons?

dark_jedi said:

Well the above crop is good until about half way through the avi file then it dramatically changes,so what I want to know is this,can I manually IVTC and manually crop at the same time,and if so how would this be added to the script?

DirectShowSource("C:\JSC SW 1-0001.avi")
DoubleWeave() 
part1=Pulldown(2, 4).trim(0,-13224).Crop(12,58,-8,-152,align=true)
part2=Pulldown(1, 3).trim(13225,-39130).Crop(12,58,-8,-152,align=true)
part1+part2

Mr Ghostface said:

... You can hardly call what I put off-topic, considering it's entirely relevant to the very fan edits we're discussing.

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I'll make this very simple:

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Great stuff, Ady.

This is a project I was considering tackling myself at some point - now I don't have to. And your colour correction is definitely a bonus.

Is it OK to download the files going up now or is there going to be a repack or proper along later... j/k :-)

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Thank you.

So did you check your filter driver load order as I suggested?

Janskeet was banned for a post attacking vbangle, even after both Jay and I had posted warnings in that thread to keep on topic.

*Sighs*

Less than a week after my warning, the thread turns to shit again.

Listen guys, if you have a problem with fanedit.org take it up with them - don't bring it over here.

And Janskeet - you're banned. Don't come back.

So you want to replace the audio in an AVI file with audio extracted from the DVD?

Are the episodes on the DVD authored as titles or chapters?

Dolby Digital on laserdisc is still compressed. (In fact, AC3 on LD at 384kbps is actually more compressed than a standard 448kbps AC3 track on DVD).

adywan said:

Edit:

It's ok i just nominated myself for the biggest dick head award. The original bit for bit recording is fine. I had recently updated the drivers for the soundcard and there's an extra feature that doesn't seem to be linked with the main audio control panel and this one has extra effects. turns out that the problem lay within one of the new filters for playback. In the main panel all effects are disabled but in the new one there was a few new ones that were enabled by default. So the final DVD will have the bit-for-bit  laserdisc audio after all. I feel such a bloody idiot :(

I'm just glad you discovered where the problem lay. Reminds me of a similar problem I had a while ago - I couldn't work out why LAME was missing off the first half a second on my MP3 encodes, and it turned out to be a DirectShow filter causing playback problems.

adywan said:

EDIT: just done a short rerecord of the laserdisc 5.1 but this time i recorded it with the soundblaster X-FI crystalizer enabled and this seems to have cured a lot of the problems and also made the whole mix amazingly better. I think i may well go with the laserdisc audio for this project now if all goes well with the whole recording

Woah just a minute, I'm sorry but alarm bells are ringing now.

When you "record" an AC-3 stream off laserdisc surely the stream that you end up with is bit-for-bit identical to the digital data stored on the laserdisc?

The "sound" that comes over the SPDIF is effectively just "noise" (as it's encoded digital data). So how would running it through a proprietary processing system improve it?

Oh and BTW I Googled X-Fi and found this:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=54212

Aleksbmw said:

The best of these players is Ld-1010 if you can find one in good shape, it got much of the hardware from the LD-S1.

Funny you should say that, as I recently added the CLD-1050 to my eBay favourite searches. Is it reasonable to assume that the CLD-1050 would be a good option for capturing PAL discs?

gltaylor74 said:

When comparing the Star Wars Episode I DD DVD (at 448kbps) to the DD on the LD (at 384kbps) it is no contest. The LD is far more agressive of a mix and faithfully represents the theatrical viewing experience that I had. The DVD sounds "dumbed down" so to speak.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Superbit/topic/4794/

So who's right?

Thread moved and duplicate thread deleted.

Aleksbmw said:

The only LD players to give pure output is the X0 and the C2ex (my player)

The only high-end players to give pure composite output?

I'm pretty sure that some early/low-end Pioneer models are pure composite, along with some of their industrial models such as the V8000.