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#166007
Topic
Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166007/action/topic#166007
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What laserdisc? If you mean my DVD transfer, then those subtitles were hard-encoded as the final step in my post-processing script. I still have a lossless AVI of the Jabba scenes without subtitles if you need me to encode anything in particular.

(The actual laserdisc burnt-in French subtitles were in the lower black bar which was cropped out.)
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#165426
Topic
attempting to make my work better...........
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/165426/action/topic#165426
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
which one do i use,the 4:1:1 NTSC DV or the 4:2:2 MPEG-2? NTSC DV is your source (from a DV capture device, right?)
Originally posted by: dark_jedi
also when i use this it makes my output file HUGE is this right?
If you save out an uncompressed AVI then yes, this is right.
Originally posted by: dark_jedi
secondly i was told to use a GOOD DV codec,well i have what he recommended and installed it,but how do i make sure that is what is being used and not another?
One way is to open the file in VirtualDub, and check file information. It will tell what decompressor is being used.
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#165228
Topic
~French Coffret Trilogie LD to DVD transfer~ (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/165228/action/topic#165228
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Could be you just need to correct a DC offset.

I checked a silent bit of my mono mix capture (very old recording, VHS linear track) and the RMS noise floor was about -38dB, but after correcting the DC offset it was -57dB.

A silent bit of the uncompressed ANH audio as used on my DVD (retail VHS hi fi, normalised and noise reduction applied) was about -75dB.

Tip: Use Tools -> Statistics in Sound Forge rather than scan levels in the Normalize dialogue to measure stuff.

Post
#165103
Topic
~French Coffret Trilogie LD to DVD transfer~ (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/165103/action/topic#165103
Time
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I tested a piece of silence between the fox logo and the crawl.

Digital: RMS: -96.0, Peak: -68.0
Analoge: RMS: -96, Peak: -70.3 Hmmm, I would expect the digital peak to be lower than the analogue.
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
When I play the files (between the logo and crawl) and I can clearly see that the -db value is higher for the analoge capture, so it's more silent right?
No, a higher value means more noise. A lower value (by lower, I mean of course "more negative") indicates less noise.

I did a test on pure silence and it came out at -96.0dB RMS, -96.0dB peak.

I don't really know much about this, I think I need to do some reading up at the hydrogenaudio.org forums.
Originally posted by: boba feta
What you wanna do is get your headphones on and really crank it up, have the analogue and the digital samples side by side and listen to them both.
But make sure you don't play any real signal, or you'll kill your ears!
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#164579
Topic
~French Coffret Trilogie LD to DVD transfer~ (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164579/action/topic#164579
Time
Keep in mind I've not actually tested this method myself, but:
1. Find a section of silence.
2. Measure the RMS level of this section (using Sound Forge, Audition, etc.).

Ideally the digital to digital copy will be -[infinity]dB (that is unmeasurable noise) whereas the analogue copy would be -[some value]dB.

Edit: forum software didn't like the infinity symbol I inserted.
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#164553
Topic
Info: More ANH soundmix discussion (remasters & French dub)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164553/action/topic#164553
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Originally posted by: SilverWook
I'd take the info about the French mix with a grain of salt. Dolby surround has always been compatible with two channel stereo. The earliest "stereo" VHS movies and Laserdiscs have the surround info in the mix, years before surround sound was available for home use.
Yes, I think I had this discussion before with Neil S Bulk and he said basically the same thing. "Stereo" is actually synonymous to "surround" in most of the film industry, so I can't imagine it would be any different in France. It would be an interesting test to run both the English and French sound mixes through one of the Doom9 upmixing procedures, and compare the resulting surround channels to see if there's a difference.

Another question, Dolby Stereo was designed to be compatible with mono cinemas, so why was a mono mix done for Star Wars?
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#164394
Topic
Info: More ANH soundmix discussion (remasters & French dub)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164394/action/topic#164394
Time

Just to recap on the list of English mixes for the original ANH:
1. Original Theatrical 70mm 6-track mix
2. Original Theatrical 35mm Dolby Stereo
3. Original Theatrical mono mix
4. 1985 digitally remastered mix
5. 1993 THX-certified digitally remastered mix

Anyone like to comment on the following assertions:

  • The 1985 digitally remastered mix was based on the Dolby Stereo mix. (Tractor beam line from the mono mix added, what other changes were made?)
  • The 1993 mix was supposedly a combination of the best elements of the original 3 mixes, but many think it was mostly based on a downmix of the 6-track version.

Some observations from listening to parts of the French dub on the 1995 laserdiscs:

  • Pitch correction has been applied (as in the UK VHS release).
  • Threepio’s “scream” is missing where the sandpeople attack Luke in the canyon.
  • Darth Vader sounds like a wuss in French.
  • The sound of the meteors shooting past the Falcon when it comes out of hyperspace is missing. This would suggest that this French soundtrack is based on the Dolby mix and not the 6-track mix like the equivalent English version.

Did the older French laserdiscs (or VHS) have a soundtrack with the 4% PAL pitch increase?
Have there been any changes to the French sound mix over the years?
How true is this statement (from LDDb.com):
"The sound of this LD is Stereo and not Dolby Surround because the original 1977 French mix for the movie was only a two-track Stereo mix, due to limitations of French theaters at the time.

It is also the case of the 1995 THX CAV French LD [113039]."

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#164390
Topic
Help with settings: PDI delux, Virtualdub/Huffyuv
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164390/action/topic#164390
Time
It is usual to use the YUY2 format for capturing. This is a PC storage reference to YCbCr with 4:2:2 subsampling.

Most regular capture cards use this format internally, so there is no benefit in choosing RGB24. The results will be identical, and RGB with huffyuv is slower and does not compress as well.

However, as the PDI Delux is a bit more than your regular capture card, it might be worth a short test to see if there is a difference. Some colour correction operations, and post-processing with VirtualDub, require RGB format, so capturing in RGB would save one conversion step.

I would assume you should use NTSC-J for Japanese discs, and NTSC-M for US discs. The only difference is in the black level, which is a lower voltage for NTSC-J.

The artifacts shown in the screenshots look like rainbow effects (aka cross colour - hi-frequency luma data upsets the chroma demodulator). It's caused by imperfect separation of the luma and chroma components of a composite video signal.
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#163715
Topic
Help: looking for... The "FACES" preservation DVD set
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163715/action/topic#163715
Time
You think you deserve a set just because you asked for it and you think you've waited long enough? Look, you need to understand something, and the sooner the better: no-one owes you shit.

That said, there are several members of this forum who seem to be in a generous mood this festive season. You may have more success by sending a polite private message to one of them, instead of whinging in a forum post.
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#163172
Topic
<strong>The Moth3r PAL DVD Set Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163172/action/topic#163172
Time

This thread is, as the title suggests, a concise summary for information and feedback only. Please keep this thread neat by ensuring your replies are on topic. DO NOT POST REQUESTS FOR THIS SET HERE! For project history, general discussion, additional information or questions please use the “warts and all” Moth3r project thread.

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1. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (MTHR-SWANH V1.0)

Technical Specs
Runtime: 1:56:20
Video: 720x576 25fps (PAL), CCE 3-pass average bitrate 5060kbps
Aspect ratio: approx 2.35:1 (16:9 anamorphic)
Audio: English (1993 THX remastered mix) Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround, 48kHz 192kbps AC3
<span class=“Italics”>alternative audio available as a separate file:
English (1977 original mono mix) Dolby Digital 1.0, 48kHz 96kbps AC3</span>
Subtitles: English (alien subs, hard encoded)
Extras: None
Menus: None
DVD size: 4.37GB

Known flaws
Missing screenwipe at 0:31:08.000
“Line drops” present at various locations throughout the movie
Saturation of green and yellow hues a little too low
Halos caused by analogue sharpness too high
Letterboxed mode is not forced when player display type set to 4:3 P&S
Audio level too low

2. Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (MTHR-SWTESB V1.0)

Technical Specs
Runtime: 1:59:56
Video: 720x576 25fps (PAL), CCE 3-pass average bitrate 4895kbps
Aspect Ratio: approx 2.35:1 (16:9 anamorphic)
Audio: English (1993 THX remastered mix) Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround 48kHz 192kbps AC-3
Subtitles: None
Extras: None
Menus: None
DVD Size: 4.26GB

Known flaws
Saturation of green and yellow hues a little too low
Halos caused by analogue sharpness set too high
Audio level too low

3. Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (MTHR-SWROTJ V1.0)

Technical Specs
Runtime: 2:06:29
Video: 720x576 25fps, CCE 3-pass average bitrate 4600kbps
Aspect Ratio: approx 2.35:1 (16:9 anamorphic)
Audio: English (1993 THX remastered mix) Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround 48kHz 224kbps AC-3
Subtitles: English (alien subs, hard encoded)
Extras: None
Menus: None
DVD Size: 4.37GB

Known flaws
Missing screenwipe at 0:59:36.040
Top letterbox border shifts down at 1:34:44.320
Audio glitch around 1:37:33