Monroville

Well... just keep in mind Ady's own rule: Changes shouldn't be made unless there is a reason.  Things shouldn't be modified just to make things "cooler", but only if there is a function to it.

The Hoth displays are almost necessary, to the degree that we can now see why the woman at the booth is saying "Fire" (I can go either way with the background display, as it does look cool... but considering that the one on the right seems to be close range stuff, ie. the ion cannon targeting monitor, couldn't the one in the back have a more "far range tracking the Imperial fleet as they position around Hoth" angle?).  Vader's display mod details are frankly unnecessary (short of the basic outline and grid pattern), as the primary function is to show Ozzel and Piett.

Regardless, Ady knows that none of this is personal to the degree of any sort of retribution.  We all care about these movies and just want to add our perspective.  Short of anything underhanded or behind the scenes, it's all there to be taken with a grain of salt, where he can play with the ideas to see if they work, use them or shrug them off and go with what he had before.  In the end we'll still have a fantastic edit that will be miles better than what the studios would limit us to.

First off, LOVE the clip.  The animation on the rebel Hoth displays are fantastic.  If there was any criticism, it would be to concur with those who feel the display material on Vader's screen is unnecessary (or at least the center revolving circles on the top and bottom of the screen).  I would probably add a little bit of the SD laser sounds, as every other time in the movie you can hear them.  I can understand if they were covering up the ion cannon blast audio in the previous clip (seen here), but it feels weird not hearing the lasers at all (I know, it IS space after all).

Otherwise, hope the move goes successfully and can't wait for the finished movie!

The main thing is: does someone have the entire audio of this (even if it is in 10 minute segments)?  Even if youtube deletes the entire thing, what is important is that the audio exists in its entirety. 

Don't get me wrong... I love BOTH.  My issue with physical media is that after a while it just takes up a lot of space... at the same time (if you're single like me), if you have a dedicated room you can use as a library (or man cave), you can fill up the shelves with blu-rays and other things and show off your collection/inability to grow up and act like an adult.

At the same time, I have an Argosy media player with a 2 TB hard drive (and plan on moving up to a Mede8er 500X), which works fantastic!  Lots of 2.5 to 4.5 gb 720p MKVs, with a few 8 gb 1080p MKVs for the more appreciated movies (like SUSPIRIA), combined with MKV MERGE, which can add audio tracks later to the movie files (like commentaries or dub tracks).

The Argosy runs @ $95 (the Mede8er 500X about $150 to $200); the 2 TB hard drive @ $80 on ebay.  So for about $300 to $400 (a media player and 2 hard drives, one to use and one for a back up) you are pretty much set for life on movies.  Even so, I LOVE my blu-ray digibooks and special editions.

In the end, there is nothing saying you can have both.

The ultimate problem with anything downloaded is that it can be deleted. 

If there is a physical defect in the property you are purchasing, you can get a replacement or refund.  You can possibly get a re-download if your first one is corrupted or deleted, but how can you prove it?  What if it is an issue with a media player that just won't play the download?  In the case of the physical media, you can return the defective item, thus giving proof of the need of a replacement.  Digital downloading will fail when it comes to customer service and replacements, as it will be harder to prove a download was unsuccessful or faulty (as companies would be wary of someone wanting to try to get a movie 2 or 3 times for one price).

Also keep in mind that people still love physical objects, if for no other reason that you can hold it in your hand.  Physical media is going to remain the same way cash will remain: people are always going to want something permanent that they can physically call their own.

Now that we're in the home stretch, is there any idea as far as a general release date?

Ady may prove me wrong, but I do believe that this will be more around 4.5 to 8 gb in size, as opposed to a full 25 gb.

You know, that's something that annoyed me about JEDI even as a kid... why is everyone who is part of the A-Team a "general"?  Is C3PO a general?  Why not R2D2?  Hell, let's make Luke's lightsabre a general too.

Though I will say General Calrissian has a nice ring to it...

Just to put it out there, I have a cable modem, so I have some really good up/download speeds (up to 10 mb/s).  Also, once you put it on places like Rapidshare, Mediafire and the like, the download speed is dependent on their servers.

Savage said:

I'd vote for straight up newsgroup release (never going to disappear) or filesharing sites like filefactory (may get pulled at some point, and it costs money to upload on most of them). Sure, these would axe streaming options, but it would at least get them out there. You could even password protect the files from prying eyes.

It doesn't cost a thing to upload to a lot of sites.  Megashares, Depositfiles, Letitbit, Rapidgator and Mediafire (a personal favorite) are all free to upload.  There may be a limit, but we're talking about 100 to 300 gb, so there should be plenty of leeway for uploading a good MKV or AVCHD of EMPIRE:R.

For those who DO upload to a file sharing site (involving RAR files), I would definitely consider altering the name (from EMPIRE STRIKES BACK to something like LUCK'S MISSING HAND; password protection does help too, per Savage's note).

adywan said:

Pay-it-forward doesn't work and i'm not going to be doing it this time around.  I will be sending out a certain amount of copies but not for PIF. I sent out over a hundred copies last time, many of them to people who promised to make copies and send them to people closer to them that asked. but only a handful bothered to PIF. The rest just disappeared after they got the copy, many not even bothering to stick around to say thanks. 

The main releases will be upload to newsgroups, then it is up to others to add it elsewhere. The chances are, if things go according to plan here in my personal life, then i probably won't even have a fast enough connection to upload any versions myself, so i would have to rely on the help of trusted others to get them to newsgroups in the first place.

In that case, you can always send copies to Bingowings, OO5 and maybe Ganemede to upload them on RS, TPB or other places.  I guess what we need now are people who have high internet speeds who are willing to commit to uploading this for others.

Harmy would be a good person too (he put his stuff up over at TehParadox.com).

Ady: in that case, I would either seed the vids on The Pirate Bay or upload them to a file sharing site like Rapidshare.  You could also try the flipped video trick that works for I AM LEGEND and ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, which are playing in their entirety on youtube.  Making the videos private might work, but it sounds like you've already tried that.

And is it Scooby Doo month?  I noticed how everyone is changing their avatar to a SD villain.

MrBrown said:

I dont' know if "Cemetary Man" (Dellamorte Dellamore) is out on blu in USA, but I think it is not.

Well, there is a german BD from '84 Entertainment with English and german audio and german subs and no bonus, and there is a Bd from italy with english and italian audio and much italian languaged bonus features.

Both Discs are region B.. and.. the German Disc hat real bad PQ.. compared to the italian BD.

IF you want to buy the movie, don't buy the german disc!

To give an update to the German CEMETARY MAN (DELLAMORTE DELLAMORE) blu-ray, I can confirm that it is Region ALL, not B (had a friend play this on his US region A blu-ray player).

I thought it looked pretty good, though some of you would probably complain about filtering (even though there was grain to it, with an image comparable to some earlier Blue Underground blu releases.  I will agree that the italian blu looks better).  I can also confirm that there are no forced subtitles.

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Thanks Negative1 for the links!  I'll definitely check out the tech forum for other references too.

Would there ever be the possibility of seeing a tutorial (or at least a link or two to a good tutorial on cleaning and/or color correcting)?  I would love to take a shot at the new SUSPIRIA blu-ray, among a few other titles.

Such as this scene right here:

Not to mention, it makes Ben a bit of a crafty bastard in how he leads in to Luke joining him on his mission.

If there was any minor complaint with the extended Last Battle, it would be the music.  While I loved the visual of the TIE reveal, the EMPIRE march did not fit very well due to its slow nature (especially in comparison to the rest of the LB music).  If there was a way to create or add in music that flowed with the rest of the music in the last act, that would be fantastic.

adywan said:

The TIEs appeared as blue in many shots in ANH. As we know, the GOUT is pretty faded and desaturated, losing a lot of the blue tints. You can't use this as a reference for colour. but even with the fading you can see shots where the TIEs are blue tinted, even in the scene you say they never appear bluish in any way shape or form

Now these were just 2 examples

The 1997 SE is supposed to be the closest for colour reference to how ANH originally looked (before the tinting added in 2004). Now there are many times that the TIEs are clearly blue tinted

 

And the model you posted the pic of was sold at auction in 2008 and the pic of the model used for the brochure shows that it wasn't as white as it looked in the bluescreen photo you posted:

Now the TIEs changed from grey to blue even in the original. They were never grey 100% of the time

Monroville said:

Watch Ady's latest clip; in some cases, his TIEs are bluer than the originals (pause during the first fly-bys with the 3 SDs).

Now that's just not true and i posted links to screenshot comparisons a few pages back that proves that isn't the case.It may look that way in the youtube video because the blue may stand out more because of the tint added to the whole shot in 2004 coloured the stardestroyers in the background

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-UPDATED-CHANGES-LIST-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/565636/#TopicPost565636

Well it looks like ANH had the Great Flipper debate, ESB has the Great Blue TIE debate and i hate to think what the Great Debate fro ROTJ will be. ;)

If that's the case, then nothing needs to be changed then.  It's interesting that I've never noticed those shots you posted, so I guess it's time to watch STAR WARS: ANH again (twisting arm now).

I would like to see side-by-side comparisons between the big LD release, the "original" version that came out as the second DVD with the SE, the 1997 SE and the 2004 SE to see the differences in color balances.  I have a DVD-R of the LD I made somewhere, as well as the SE with the original version included.

In regards to the clip you posted and my comment that there are a few shots where your TIES appear blue-er than the originals, I will post some screen caps to back up my point.

The bottom line is that it IS Ady's edit.  All anyone can do is argue their point logically or illogically.  There are plenty of extreme close-ups of the TIEs in action throughout ANH (specifically during the Falcon escape battle) and not once do they even remotely appear bluish in any way, shape or form.   To do it for EMPIRE is one thing, as that is how they originally appeared.  Considering that even Lucas has never blued the TIEs in any incarnation of ANH should say something.

not blue

In the end, this will probably be a good thing, being that it will give me one more reason to learn After Effects and other programs so I can re-color correct the TIEs to grey.

ray_afraid said:

eiyosus said:

So how about those tie fighter colors, eh?

After seeing the recent comparison pics, I gotta say that I'm completely happy with the colors! To my eyes they still look grey, just more blue than the ANH:R grey.

Watch Ady's latest clip; in some cases, his TIEs are bluer than the originals (pause during the first fly-bys with the 3 SDs).

Regarding the update list:

Adywan said:

Overall:

   6. TIEs will be blue and ANH:RHD will have blue TIEs also

I guess if they're going to get the blu(ish) treatment, will the interior of the Falcon get a color mod to match the color scheme of EMPIRE as well?

 

adywan said:

All the TIEs have been tinted with the same settings. the shade would vary depending on the lightings, which is why they may look slightly different . But never trust the colour of Youtube. Here are a few comparisons between the blu-ray and Revisited TIEs. You can see that the revisited TIEs aren't the same blue as the blu-ray versions

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108834

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108835

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108836

This is the colour i will be sticking with for the TIEs

If you want to see the colour of one of the original TIEs used in ANH then you can see it here:

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/07/tie-fighter-model-used-in-star.php

None of these links are working for me... they new windows just keep spinning the "loading" symbol and they never load up.

Okay, now they're working.  Weird.

doubleofive said:

Just to spur more debate*:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cerebus19/6790957045/

It doesn't matter what the models look like.  It only matters what they look like on screen. 

 

ray_afraid said:

I know it's only a model either way, but the grey ties just look more realistic to my eyes. The blue ties look like toys- looks like they were made of plastic. And the idea that the Empire would paint their fighters blue just seems goofy and out of place.

But I do understand the want/need to have them stand out against the Stardestroyers/DS... Didn't Ady say that they would be less blue than the DVD/BD but more so than the ANH:R ties? ...They still look awfully blue in the latest clip.

The thing is: the TIES are moving more than fast enough that even being grey you can obviously tell where they are and what they are doing.  Was this same argument made with grey TIEs flying over the grey Death Star?  Did they get lost in the visual commotion then?

Erikstormtrooper said:

COME JOIN THE IMPERIAL NAVY. OUR SHIPS HAVE FRESH PAINT!

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RLOL.  Okay, I swear, this is it.  No more about the grey/blue TIEs from me.  Or at least for the next hour...

I'm starting to feel like Al Pacino in GODFATHER III:

"Every time I start to get out of the grey/blue TIE fighter debate (that, granted, I helped to create), they pull me right back in!"

ctlw83 said:

Monroville said:

Unlike the whole "red AT-AT windows and green AT-AT laser thing", the work on making the TIEs grey has already been done.  It would be nice to at least have the option of a grey TIE version if it comes to it.

My biggest issue is mainly maintaining continuity with ANH.  While I personally love the visual aspect better, I would rather have continuity continue than retcon ANH.

Even so, I've more than made my piece, so I will leave the "grey versus blue" debate and give the floor to someone else.

I think that it might be better to fit the intent of the original models used in this case.  Just my opinion.  However, I also understand the continuity thing with ANH.

Maybe, just maybe, we could postulate that the empire decided to add some blue paint/metal to the TIE fighters in order to make them more appealing for new recruits.  I mean, there is nothing to say that ONLY clones could be pilots and that the empire didn't take on additional recruits.  After all, which would you rather drive, a pure grey car or a bluish grey car if you had the choice?

I don't what the real story in the EU is for the change but, I like using my imagination. :)

It doesn't matter what the models look like.  It only matters what they look like on screen. 

Regardless, I just hope the option is explored and at least considered.