Monroville

Ripplin said:

Gaffer Tape said:

I suppose the problem with Klingons would be over which style of Klingons to put in a future movie:  the original smooth-headed ones or the more familiar ridge-heads?  Most likely the latter, but you know some fans would bitch about that.

Meh, they already explained it too much on "Enterprise." My favorite explanation was from DS9, where Worf just said it's not something they discuss with outsiders. Leaves a lot to the imagination, just like Boba Fett should've been.

 

Actually, FASA games back in the 1980's came up with a really good explanation which I'm surprised Berman and company didn't lift from it: the reason the Klingons look more human in the 1965 series  is that they are human-klingon hybrids created to better interact and infiltrate the Federation.  In the FASA game, the Klingons had Human and Romulan "fusions", and the bone-headed Klingons were the "Imperial" pure-bloods.  It would have made a great lead-in for the whole "civil war" thing in the NG series...

ben_danger said:

i guess if we could have him follow the naboo ship as it lands perhaps. i like the idea of him silently watching.

 

i would love to change all the scenes with jango so he is wearing his helmet in all of them i would love even more to somehow change the colours to those of the holiday special.

Maybe instead of a bounty hunter, Jango is a senator's personal guard or someone higher up on the totem pole so to speak (also, the clone army could be clones of other soldiers and Jango is there to guard the secret).  Besides, I kinda figured young Boba had a hard life as an orphan and bounty hunting was just a means to a wealthy ends.  Hell, in the BUILDING EMPIRE doc, Irwin Kirshner describes Boba as his version of Clint's "Man with no name" character.

- okay, I just read the above post: I like the idea of just nixing "Jango" and making the character Boba (the idea that there is a character that traverses throughout most of the STAR WARS films is pretty interesting - of course, that would make Boba to be around his 50's in EMPIRE, not that it would matter when you have people that live into their 200s).  I would still make the clones off of different soldiers (maybe throw Vinnie Jones' mug onto a group of them, and have clones of different soldiers as opposed to just one guy) and make Jango/Boba a more prestigious individual and it is due to events in the Prequels that he has to resort to bounty hunting for a living.  Hell, maybe make him a sort of Pinkerton (ala the movie BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID) or a Texas Ranger - a cop who becomes a criminal or just a disillusioned former soldier.

True (about the rain bit); even if you just show Jango in the shadows to show that he is present would work a bit better - say place him in the foreground in the factory establishing shot; hell, you could take the Boba in the cockpit shot from EMPIRE when the Falcon flies away from the SD junk and show him from behind as he watches the fight from a distance.  It just seems wierd that he flies in after Anakin finishes his Crash Bandicoot level.

And would it be sentimental to change his line from "stop right there, Jedi" to "stop right there, friend" ala the Holiday Special cartoon (a character trait Boba may have inherited from his father)? 

For some reason, that just had me think of the "Canada goes on Strike" episode from SOUTH PARK:
"I'm not your buddy, guy!"
"Well I'm not your guy, friend!"
"Well I'm not your friend, buddy!"
"Well I'm not your buddy, guy!"...

Maybe rather than having huge carvings standing out (that no one seems to notice) you could have carvings on the tree trunks ala totem poles; that way they can blend a bit with the trees, explaining why the cast may not react to them, as well as give us audience members something subtle to notice...

I say whatever edit anyone does, get rid of Anakin saying "Not again!" after his saber gets sliced in two; the grimace should work just fine.

Also, does anyone find it convenient that the roller droids and Jango Fett show up after the Super Mario Bros. bit?  Would there be any way to work Jango in for at least a little bit so he doesn't just pop up out of the woodwork? 

Hey, did I hear it's someone's birthday?!?

Bingowings said:

The sillyness detracted from any fun (as did the lack of internal logic) it wasn't a comedy like Mars Attacks!, Ghostbusters or Men In Black  (all much better films) it wasn't so bad it was good like Plan Nine From Outer Space, it was a jingoistic gung-ho bit of pseudo-patrotic sentiment pretending to be escapist science fiction.

In short it was Mars Attacks! without the jokes or Starship Troopers without the internal logic and satire (now that too is a much better film even if it isn't as good as the book).

So I guess this means you hate just about every 50's sci-fi movie made in America then?  >:)

To each their own.  I love it; it's about as serious and melodramatic as TOWERING INFERNO or George Pal's WAR OF THE WORLDS.  While I can enjoy STARSHIP TROOPERS for what it is, even semi-serious it is not (so when do spaceships run into fireballs coming up at them?  or land troops on a planet just to pick them up and leave immediately afterwards?)

Regardless, what can be done with EMPIRE and JEDI I wonder?  Now if someone created a thread so we could post ideas on what could be added or enhanced....

Ash595 said:I have The UK Region 2 DVD of Creepshow. A 2 discs edition with a 90 documentary about the film a review: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=56267

Hey gang, you can get the CREEPSHOW special edition at Amazon.uk here for 6 Pounds!

And the review above is for CREEPSHOW 2.  Now when is this going to come out on Blu-ray?

Bingowings said:

Think Apocalypse Now's helicopter runs but against Ewoks and Rebels (mockup quality as always is limited to source material and only there to illustrate a concept not to be a representation of a final scene).

This could be really cool; would there be a way of getting the 501 and filming some short scenes of them on a Huey firing a machine gun?  You could finagle the image so they are at the back end of one of the 2 TIE bomber pods, with background images of the jungle below them.

On that note, I always imagined that one could add similar sequences to the Hoth battle in EMPIRE by having a door or a port on the side of the AT-ATs to allow the snow troopers inside to shoot at the snow speeders as they flew by (either shooting their heavier guns out gun slits or having a full opening ala a Huey firing a laser machine gun).

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On a side note, I just don't get the hate ID4 gets.  I LOVED it when it came out.

Is it realistic?  Nope.  But you know what?  It was a really fun movie with some (still) impressive FX and action sequences and the characters are pretty good (which I know some can debate, but that is for another forum).  All it boils down to is TOWERING INFERNO with George Pal's WAR OF THE WORLDS with a lot of 70's and 80's references slipped in, of which they at least use.

That is something I never thought of... why didn't Lucas make JEDI more along the lines of GUNS OF NAVARONE and put the deflector dish on a mountain fortress or the like?  Maybe that is yet one of the problems with JEDI and the following prequels is that he didn't go back to his sources: the movies he grew up on.

One thing that could be done possibly (hope you're reading, Ady):
if an establishing shot or two like the above could be done in JEDI, maybe the bunker that the Ewok battle takes place around could be at the foot of the mountain.  How hard would it be to add a mountain face behind the bunker, so the woods the fight takes place in is at the foot of the mountain?

This could also better explain how the dish could go up in a spectacularly LARGE explosion and not kill the main characters: if they planted explosives on the reactor deep underneath the dish, which so happens to be powered by, say, a dormant volcano, the charges could serve a double purpose of not just destroying said reactor but opening the lava dome of the dormant volcano.  End result = large explosion on top of mountain as characters watch from the distance seen in the above picture.

Also:
would it be possible to create an image for a "pan-down" shot similar to the "shuttle landing at night" shot above?  I was thinking that you could have the dish on the mountain on top, with a scene of the rebels in the woods at the far bottom (so the picture would pan down from "dish mountain" down to the foreground forest as the rebels make their way towards it).

I would negate the TIE hanger and gun tower or make them much smaller.

Bingowings said:

It would be nice to mix up the types of trees (huge oversized red woods, ten times the size they should be with thin impossibly tall bamboo like plants that sort of thing).

Make it look more like an enchanted forests of myth.

But mixing in with the shot footage would be a real bugger (it's not like doing Hoth which is mostly wide open ice planes with mountains in the background).

Ewok totems would be nice too (as well as the nasty stormies on pikes I suggested earlier).

It's a shame the creatures in the Ewok films were done on the cheap because there were some nice designs (even if they were realised in really bad stop motion and men in suits, though no superfast bunny rabbits please).

I really liked the look of the Blurrgs for example but not the way they ended up on screen (I haven't seen them in the Clone Wars series but they look like the sort of thing that could be done well if the models were better).

Hmm, maybe the Ewoks eat these guys (there version of buffalo) and it is from hunting these that the Ewoks use the same tactics to "hunt" the Scout Walkers...

Has anyone thought of using scenes from LEGEND or DARK CRYSTAL?  I don't know how it could work, but just an idea (be it for scenes or creature designs, like the stilt creatures)...

Histeria said:

Interestingly, I also think we have as situation where we're sometimes looking for 'fake looking' CGI, and filling in the fakenes ourselves on a subconscious level. The thing that springs to mind is the locking mechanism near the end of Indiana Jones 4. I remember being pretty disappointed at what I thought was shoddy CGI work on that when I saw it at the cinema. It was only months later that I saw the making of, and found out it was a practical effect. Sometime knowing (or just thinking) something is CGI is enough to blow the effect, when actually it's more than adequate.

You know, I feel ya.

While I didn't have that much of a problem with INDY 4 (or that scene in particular) I know what you mean.  It is like the scene when Indy drives his truck through the wall in the opening action sequence and the 2 guys go flying towards us as the wall explodes from the truck impact.  I figured that was CGI but it was filmed on set (!)

Compare that to the tanker truck getting blown up by Kyle Reese at the end of the first TERMINATOR.  I thought for the longest time they blew up a real truck.  Then I saw the making of with the model work... went back and watched the movie again.. and it still looks like a real truck is getting blown up!  When you can show how you did a trick and you can still pull it off, that's magic.

In regards to the whole "CGI versus Models" arguement, I think it has everything to do with how light reacts to a model, as well as things CGI artists do NOT take into account such as how parts of a model may be out of focus due to proximity and lighting, atmospheric effects, etc.

Most CGI stuff (from Pete Jackson's KONG to the Prequel's ships and sets) look a little fake to the degree that there is so MUCH detail and effort to get every little thing right that something almost subconcious stands out as... well, wrong.  It also amazes me how certain shots in movies (a lot of the scenes in ID4 or the subway scene in the first MATRIX.. or hell, the helicopter roof fight as well) where you find out that said "model" was CGI or the set that the actors were fighting in didn't even exist.  Now THAT amazes me.

Even then, CGI is all over the place.  When the dinosaurs in the first JURRASIC PARK can look damn near real and yet we still have $150 million + movies where the CGI stands out, you just have to wonder what the hell is going on in these FX houses.

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To me, CGI works the best when enhancing something like a set, model or guy in a creature suit (hell, for that matter, just cleaning up the FX work: getting rid of zippers and wires) or when used for things in the background.  Models or photography using existing locations (cities or otherwise) work the best due to what I described above.  So models in the foreground and CGI in the back...

adywan said:

Sevb32 said:

It's cool to enjoy building this stuff, but it all costs money, and sure you could build some of it, but I am sure some people would donate their time and/or models & skills to helping out. Maybe this will encourage some people to get to work on some things, get people who are not gonna worry if their models get banged up a bit while filming. I'd like to see this before I die, and I don't wanna be 50 to 60 years old when I do. Life is too short.

You 've said you don't wanna add things "just because you can" but explain to me the real difference, that gray area, is everything absolutely necessary? Just like not everything in ANH:R was absolutely necessary. Not that I didn't think it was terrific, because it sure was. I guess the key thing is OPINION, not fact.

"I cannot teach him. This boy has not patience." (just kidding)

why rush something just to get it out there when i could take a little more time and money to do it right. Sure there are only a few things that need replacing in ESB:R. you can't argue that the asteroid canyon and Rebel shield generator desperately need replacing along with the rebel hangar mattes. the best way to do this is with models.

I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time even Lucas didn't do EVERYTHING when making STAR WARS: he had tons of people to help him.  Now I know this is a bit different, but to take 2 to 3 years to do something is one thing... when you start getting into 5+ years (which it sounds JEDI is going to take) that is something else.  I'm already 38 1/2 and it would be cool to see what you do with the Prequels.  If these take 3 to 5 years apiece, that will mean EPISODE 3 will come out anywhere from 12 to 20 years from now.

There is nothing saying that you cannot collaborate, create storyboards and section off work for others to do that would fit with the direction of your edit while still taking your time to script and create the story you want and doing it with a decent time frame.  In a way, you have become a director of these edits and I'm sure there are those who would take direction to achieve your vision no differently than those hired (with pay or without) to do the same for any other director.

At the same time, maybe this is your zen - it's what you want to do with your life, with family and the rest - that this isn't so much (or just) about releasing these as it is the work in creating them, as they give you the reason to learn about computers and how all this stuff works and fits together.

No one is saying these have to be out in a month; at the same time you don't have to be afraid of other SW fans that can genuinely help.

Now Jedi needs a lot of work. this is supposed to be the finale to the whole saga yet the whole battle is pretty lame and seems rushed. It seemed more concentrated on the Ewoks than the struggle the Rebel fleet was having in orbit. it should have been the other way around. This should be the battle to end all battles...and it will be. There will be the new ending that completes the saga. you will get to see the reason why they seem to be celebrating around the galaxy so early after the Death Star was destroyed. I need to use models for some of the replacements and extra shots. i don't want to fully use CGI. I haven't yet seen a CGI stardestroyer on the net that looked as convincing as a real model. sure the smaller ships can be replaced by CGI but i don't want a fully CGI scene as it just won't fit in. Having the larger ships be real models and smaller ships be CGI will create a great balance that will fit with the original FX.

If ROTJ:R takes the longest to do then so be it. I have a vision of how i want ROTJ:R to turn out and i have to be prepared to put the extra work in to accomplish this. i'm not going to cut corners just to get the movie out as soon as possible because people are becoming impatient.I will never be working on these films again once they are done. there will be no special editions or revisited. So it has to be done right the first time around because i don't want to be sitting there watching them in a few years time saying " damn i wish i had done this or that" because my whole purpose for doing these edits is to do the versions i wanted to see , and if i begin to wish i'd taken a bit more time and added something else then i would have failed.

 

Again, you don't have to worry about that.  That is why you write a script as to what you want to do before doing any work, even regardless of having others collaborate.

Regardless, in regards to the plot points to a possible JEDI:R, when you say:

"There will be the new ending that completes the saga. you will get to see the reason why they seem to be celebrating around the galaxy so early after the Death Star was destroyed."

Does this mean we'll hear storm troopers or someone muttering in the background along the lines of Grand Moffs challenging the Emperor or they are already starting to break off to form smaller, personal empires (thus the Death Star 2 is not just to wipe out the rebels, but is a means of forcing the other Moffs back into the fold or be destroyed)?  Maybe this could be dealt with and mentioned in the title scroll.... anyways, just saying that storywise it has to be something big apart from the "Empire vs. Rebels" mano-y-mano match-up.

I know you want to keep this a secret, so I'm just asking if we're going to see something like this to help explain the SE ending.

Darth Lars said:

Monroville said:

vaderios said:

I never liked the droopy eyed windows, as not only did it look non-threatening but were actually quite useless can the guys piloting REALLY see anything outside of those things?).

Another thing that could be improved could be the thickness of the window lids. They look like baking trays from this angle.

Or, if we can't have the rectangular single window, could the "eyelids" be removed so you just have the 2 portals to look out of?  Because either they would be "force field" windows or just a flat armored face with viewscreens on the inside.

If the eyelids are removed, is there any way to make the top of the windows angle down to match the upward angle of the bottom of the windows, so if they are to look like "eyes, then at least they look like angry eyes and not like the Scout Walkers are worrying about something?

Bingowings said:

Star Wars doesn't end with ROTJ we just don't see what happens next (it's our departure point).

There is plenty of evidence that "And they all lived happily ever after" is not end of this tale just yet.

And THAT is why I am against the SE galaxy celebrations - to celebrate on Endor is one thing; to pretend that the Empire really is over and the entire imperial fleet and army is just going to let it happen is BS.

adywan said:

Why does GL suddenly think so many things need so much explanation? The "bring my shuttle" line explains how he got from bespin to the Executor so do we need to see the shuttle waiting for him or his journey to the executor, No?

If you apply this (leaving more movie elements for the audience to figure out as opposed to showing every bloody thing) to the PT:Rs (when you get to them) this alone should edit a good 20 minutes or more out of a lot of them.

There is also the issue with:
(1) dialogue, much less dialogue delivery
(2) the music; take for example the beginning to AOTC with the Queen's ship getting destroyed - shouldn't that have been more dramatic, as Padme almost died?  Speaking of which, is there any way this could be altered in a way to make it more dramatic?  Maybe showing the senate getting destroyed (not just a bomb in a floating seat, but the building being entirely destroyed.  Or maybe show multiple senators being "hit", so everyone in the senate is afraid for their lives - imagine the UN building being destroyed or the reps being killed one-by-one and what would happen...)

sketchrob said:

Heres a quick mockup to convey what I was saying earlier...

 

That's it!  Looks MUCH better than the original.  I also love the spotlights emitting from the cities as well.

Bingowings said:

 

Maybe we can see more of these guys in the Prequel edits?  Imagine an army of IG-88s!  For that matter, how hard would it be to make the regular army robots look more like IG-88 (at least for the head region - even if you didn't make them conical like the Nomad probe in the STAR TREK show, if you could add more bumps and knobs as well as the red lights...)

BTW, anyone else notice that the first robot has C3PO's body?

Bingowings said:

The only way I can think of preserving the Vader surprise and keep the iconic Obi-Wan/Vader fight is something like this (Maul covered his face with ink but we know Vader didn't do that from ROTJ so a mask seems to make sense) :

But Lord help the poor bugger who tries it.

You'd have to establish that Obi-Wan had other pupils (not just Anakin), the dreaded, "you were my greatest student" cliche' and then go through every frame of the final duel and cover Anakin up so you assume he died saving Mace (and as I said before because Palpatine is so confident of his new apprentice turning you could have him refer to Vader before Anakin's final fall).

So much hard work just to cover up George's terrible screw ups.

I like the idea, but it may be easier to replace Obi's head with Mace's or someone elses.  That would leave the work down to a replacement head as opposed to an entire body.

In response to previous posts, I still prefer the Grevious/Maul connection, but not "Grevious as Vader".

Regardless, HOW anyone goes about this is going to be DIFFICULT to say the least to make any edit so the OT payoffs are still a surprise. 

(1) I like the Youtube clips posted showing Anakin with the red saber, which helps tell who-is-who during the fight; at the same time, it is a dead giveaway for Anakin being Vader, even if you don't call Anakin "Vader".

(2) you can replace Obi with Mace (and have purple against blue, or if you have all Jedi have blue sabers per the earlier post of Jedi having the same color sabers) or keep it "as-is", you still have the visual problem of not being able to tell who is who in the fight, especially the long shots.

(3) you can replace Anakin with an earlier, cruder "Vader" complete with Samurai-esque armor, but the WORK it would take would be tremendous to get it to look right, though your plot points above Bingo could work. 

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In fact, maybe this could be a plot point for the Sith:
maybe all of the Sith members were killed at some point, brought back with the Dark Side of the Force (hereby known as DSOF) and made into cyborgs in a similar way that light sabers were created by combining "magic" with technology. 

It is only through the mastery of the DSOF that said Sith Lord is able to rebuild or recreate a body for themself (the Emperor/Senator Palpatine could have a different reason for looking the way he does: instead of Mace reflecting the lightning, maybe the Senator went out into battle ala Julius Caeser and is horribly wounded, thus it is only through the DSOF that he is healed and transformed into a truly evil man.  I always thought the build up to the Emperor should have had a man who started off good - a "good king" ala Arthur - but was corrupted into an Uther or Mordred type - think the movie EXCALIBUR but play it backwards character-wise so to speak)

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Also also, I would add these considerations too:

(1) alter/change the Jedi hunting sequences so they aren't simply shot by generic clones/stormtrooper types.  I do not know how you would go about this, but to maybe take clips from other movies to show Sith Knights hunting and fighting Jedi Knights by taking scenes from say the beginning of KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (when Liam Neeson and his men are ambushed in the woods) or other such movies, rotoscoping light sabers over the swords and show them taken down by those who actually COULD.

Hell, one of the best things about that fan-made trailer for THE PHANTOM MENACE was the altered BRAVEHEART scene with all of the "scots" running into battle with lightsabers on.  If anyone could incorporate such scenes convincingly (for that one, change the grass to sand and place it into AOTC), that would still be better than what we got.

(2) have the jedi temple destroyed from a Star Destroyer fleet bombardment.  Whether you make the Jedi temple floating over the regular human city world or on the ground (I still would like to see the Jedi's in a floating city, not just for looks but to signify their attitudes and their disconnect with the people below - which all leads to their literal downfall: if said bombardment is done on said floating city, you could show the city/temple crashing into Coruscant)

Regardless, anything to make the end of the Jedi far more dramatic than what we see...

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Ok, so, Davnes, I'm not trying to step on you're toes...but I firgued I should post what I was working on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uk8pB0nnu0

Oh...I should mention I really like what you made, Davnes...I hadn't even thought about Yoda being *outside* the ship...thanks for the idea! :D

That works out quite well.  In fact, when Yoda leaves Coruscant, you could edit it as:

(1) delete the obvious line about "in exile I must go" and maybe add some TIEs or similar ships coming underneath the Senate building ala the EMPIRE Bespin escape and have Bail say something along the line of: "we have to escape!"  Either Yoda can destroy the fighters using the Force to allow their escape, or you have them enter the higher cloud levels, fly into the Tantive IV hanger (while still chased to keep tension level), the Tantive heads out to space as we see Star Destroyers closing in and they jump into hyperspace.

(2) you could either cut back-and-forth between this sequence and the Obi-Darth fight, or segway after the hyperspace jump (which could allow an editor to slip in the spinning star field shot) to the lead up to the fight.

(3) end the fight with Obi and Vader with Vader/Anakin burning on the shore (no emperor coming over to get him), leaves Mustafar..

(4) to segway to the scene you show above, which has Bail and Yoda already on Dagobah waiting for Obi to arrive.  Either Obi used the same intuition Luke did in EMPIRE to find Yoda/Dagobah, or in an earlier scene (maybe even near the end of ATTACK OF THE CLONES) Yoda mentions to the other Jedi (not just Ben) that if things go badly to meet up on Dagobah, which could be the Jedi's "hidden fortress", ala the Temple in LOST (which also has mysterious healing properties).

On a side note, if anyone thinks of incorporating the Kaiber crystal back into the movies (whether all of them or just the Prequels) could one take scenes from SUPERMAN and recolor the green crystal to red (maybe alter Chris Reeve's face or make him an extra Jedi character and keep the John Williams music to a degree - alter or delete the obvious SUPERMAN notes but keep the background choir)?

This would be REALLY hard, as Ben Kenobi tells Luke that Vader killed Anakin when in ROTS it is obviously Ben doing the smiting.  Granted, you can cut out the Vader suit reveal and the last we see of Anakin is as the smouldering heap on the lava planet, but even then, as soon as Ben tells Luke the story in ANH, the kids will begin the figure it out (though i would still prefer an edit of this nature).

The only other thing I can think of is have another character fight Anakin at the end, and that would require some HEAVY FX work to rotoscope someone's face onto Ewan's and/or some heavy editing.  Then you would have to develop said character so they just don't pop up for the one fight, or make it someone we've seen before (Mace Windu doesn't die in the Emperor fight and you don't have Anakin chop off his hands, which would allow him to face him one on one - could have him get hit multiple times and maybe die beside Anakin)... in other words, it would be complicated.  Thanks George.

On a side note, I would delete the "Anakin choking Padme" scene; makes NO sense if everything he is doing is because he LOVES her.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I thought I should let you all know that I've started a very rough edit of these few scenes. The question I have is: If the tantive does indeed have this medical station onboard WHY do they need to land on dagobah? Earlier in the film Obiwan meets up with Bail and Yoda somewhere in space...why not just do that again? One solution I've come up with is that the droid tells them something like: "We need to land somewhere nearby to make a safe delivery." I don't know...what do you guys think?

Here is a possibility:
maybe Dagobah is Yoda's home and there is something there that gives him greater Force strength, which allows him to heal from his battle with Palpatine.  You could also explain the landing as Yoda needs to use the Force to try and save a critically injured Padme (if not by Anakin then something added to said fan edit) and it is only through Yoda and the Force that the children are saved.

You can also make it that they are on the run, and Dagobah is out of the way enough to deal with Padme's medical attention and Yoda's as well.

Janskeet said:

I'm hoping Adywan does something about this torture scene. Maybe make it last longer and have all the little gadget things do something. Maybe add a few cuts to Han's face after the torture scene. Although that might be getting too ambitious.

I agree with Vaderios that any kind of facial damage would be near impossible being that you would have to include it for the rest of Harrison's scenes. What you could do is:

(1) not so much add the "blue electrical energy" ala the mind probe in ANH:R but add sparks and other enhanced electrical shock sound FX; THE EXORCIST proves that sound can be just as scary as anything you see.

(2) maybe add a back wash lighted grid on Han's shirt to show where the electric needles are going to be applied (kind of like how in ALIEN you see the reflection of the computer screens on some of the actors and actresses faces)

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