Monroville

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Lastest fan-o-matic vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UceOg1C42zU&feature=channel_page

 

Really good job there - LOVE the added imperial helmets scene and 3PO line about them being confused as imperials right before the torches come out (though you could play with how 3P0 reacts to what the Ewoks are doing as they carry him to their tree home - would he say "How splendid!" or would he be scared and worried and say "Where are you taking me?!" or something along that line?  That could keep the tension up a little.)

Also, watching your clip brought up a problem I had with JEDI in the original: if 3PO is considered a god, godling or messenger of the gods, why would the chief just ignore him until Luke made him float?  And others have brought up that the Empire has floating bikes as well as a Death Star floating above them.  So another suggestion:

- rather than have the chief ignore 3PO (or in other words, ignoring their god), have 3PO repeat to Luke that he CAN'T act as a god and refuses to cooperate.  That is when Luke not only lifts 3PO up, but either has him glow along the lines of how the Excalibur sword had the greenish glow in the movie EXCALIBUR - nothing too elaborate or goofy, but something to add to the effect.  That or his eyes shoot out beams of light - something to add to the mere floating to set 3P0 apart from the other technology that has surrounded the Ewoks (in fact, when he first sits up when they fall out of the trap, maybe his eyes light up then and 3PO readjusts them to normal - it is when they are shooting beams of light out that the Ewoks react to as well as his overall appearance) . 

Maybe this is where 3PO's lines of Ewok where the last part sounds like he says "..and you'll be sorry!" is played, but louder, more boomier.  3PO wouldn't be in control of his voice, as Luke is also making him say (in Ewok) the lines to release them or they will be sorry, thus overriding 3PO's programming and his refusal.

Davnes007 said:

Just thought I'd post this again, seeing as this topic is brought up again.

I agree on showing the debris that went out with Luke shown falling away towards the bottom of the shaft.. but on that note, shouldn't the shaft darken as it deepens?

- edit: posted about viewing cut-off pics, but V beat me to the punch.

cap said:

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  “An entire legion of my best troops awaits them.”  Random thought:  If those are the Emperor’s best troops, an entire legion of his worst troops must be a truly hilarious sight to behold.

Now THIS would make for a good fan film!

“You Rebel scum.”  Random thought: that campy line was probably the highlight of that actor’s career.

Random thought: Imperial stormtrooper armor does not protect the wearer against blaster fire, thrown rocks, clubs wielded by teddy bears, or wooden arrows.  What, exactly, is it for?  Decoration?

 

“Freeze!  Don’t move!”  I’m not going to bother listing examples of spectacular incompetence by the stormtroopers in this battle, but this one particular moment is really awful.  First of all, what are these troopers trying to do?  Take prisoners?  In the middle of this battle?  And because they can’t see Leia’s hands, they assume she must be unarmed?  What, when the Emperor ran out of Jango Fett clones he started using Greedo clones?  And how does Leia manage to take out both of them while only firing one shot?

Shots could be made showing laser bolts, arrows, etc bouncing off to give the armor purpose.

 And ditto on the stupid stormtrooper dialogue.

Darth Wagner said:

Alan Hume's directing a photography in ROTJ is VERY ordinary so to say, like boring, we see a lot of big clean pictures without any suggestions or mistery. And it is konsequent troughout the whole movie.

 

I think a lot of it has to do with the set design as well as the cinematography.. and the script.. and the acting.  It is almost a perfect storm of meh.

Another idea for consideration:

- why couldn't the Falcon and a more substantial fleet of fighters enter into the completely half-constructed area of the DS2 as opposed to a convenient shaft?  Would there be any way to take say the shot behind some of the X-wings in ANH, add the Falcon and show them heading to the construction side and enter into the DS2 that way?

Ric Olie said:

Everyone seeing something different?  My worst nightmare.

I know this is off topic, but does anyone else think that Ric Olie's pic looks like Norm MacDonald?

Did anyone notice how the Emperor wonders how Vader knew that Luke was with the rebel troops on Endor and yet tells Vader Luke will go to him, as he has forseen it?  Isn't that a little odd or is it just STAR WARS?

I wonder how some DUNE style whispered internal thoughts would work out?

Bingowings said:

Typographical errors are a facked of life ;-)

We all do it so please be kind to each other's mistakes.

Piett isn't Vader, the Tydirium had an older code so he was a bit suspicious about it, he freely admits he would have let them pass anyway but he picks up on Vader's hesitation and speaks up.

Vader on the other hand knows Luke is there but wants him to land without making a fuss about it (Vader doesn't seem to be the type to chin-wag with his underlings on his coffee break).

Imagine Piett's confusion when Vader says "Leave them to me.. I will deal with them personally."

Piett (thinking): "What is he going to do, help them unload?  Did the movers forget to pay a bill, or did they bring Vader a special package?  Sheesh!  Everything is so serious with this guy... and what's with the 'leave them to me' stuff?  He doesn't even trust us to unpack some parts?  What a jerk..."

vaderios said:

You want doable? HUH?

Thats for SWWR because i have promised to him that i will fix it someday. (thanksgiving day today!)

-Angel

hey, the head's pointing in the right direction now!  Of course, you may want to get rid of the huge tree right in front of it too ... >:)

Not sure about the green chewie laser, but I can see changing it to a different color other than red... blue maybe?  Also, should the laser bolts be angled that much?  Chewie is still pointing the rifle on a more horizontal level than the angle of the laser bolt coming out.

Regardless, the reflection on the scout goggles is most excellent.  It's a shame the goggles can't be mirrored...

Some excellent mock-up Rancor shots, V!

I rather like the cat eyes, as it really helps the eyes stand out.  That combined with the enhancement on the body really improves the look and helps keeping it from looking too much like a puppet.

How would the Rancor look if the areas around the teeth were a bit darker or lighter (to give the mouth more of a Great White appearance)?  I guess looking at the last shot, the "gum coloring" would have to blend into the regular color of the skin (as the Rancor has no lips).

One thing though: maybe the gamorrian guard in the lower left area of the above pic could be a bit greener to help him stand out better.

You know, I never thought about it until the recent mock-ups - are those "bridges" supposed to be bridges or supports for the inner elevator tube inside the tower shaft?  I guess that's the problem with the shaft around the elevator being unmolested by any sort of gantryway looking things in that without anything connecting the inner tube with the outer tower structure, it wouldn't be very stable.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post a few pages back (its funny how ideas you bring up are brought back up again by other posters), it would be kinda cool to see Palps falling down Mola Ram style, though I have no idea how one could do it other than taking the Mola Ram scene or the Gandalf TWO TOWERS entrance scene and modifying them appropriately.

Or we could just leave it as is.. >:)

Bingowings said:

AngelBlue, I don't care what is written in books like that, it just doesn't make sense for all the reasons that have been discussed before.

In some sense every point on the station some way or another leads the reactor core but Palpatine doesn't and can not die there unless he had some kind of super fast rocket pack and a powerful heat shield hidden under that cape of his, which he decided to activate when he realised he was already doomed to explode near the bottom of the tower (that said it is only marginally more silly than having the death pit there in the first place).

I'm working on a new mockup as we speak to try and correct some of the problems with the old matte but keep the basic idea of a chasm by the side of the lift shaft (but I'd still like to see something a bit more knockout instead).

Of COURSE its the DS reactor but we're also dealing with STAR WARS physics here.  Yes, it would take half a day for Palpy to fall the actual distance, but that would not work with the scene, so of course it only takes him a few seconds to hit the reactor and blow up.  Darth and Luke couldn't exactly just sit there waiting for Palps to blow up...

Regardless, I say leave it up to the viewer (and the fan editor) to decide whether it truly is THE reactor or A reactor or simply the food court Pappy Palpatine is crashing into.  Man, imagine that under the hot lamps next to the Sbarro's.. ugh!

alex s said:

I think I like how the words have some color to them, but I would brighten them or do something to help them stand out.  If anything, I would "orange up" the Enterprise to better match it with the orange stream of energy it is within (that could help the blue dish light stand out even more too).  Maybe add some streaks to the underside of the Enterprise to add a slight "warp" effect (may also want to consider making the Enterprise a little bigger too).

I guess like Turkish STAR WARS?  Maybe if you did dub over the "normals", maybe give them foreign accents to explain the "mouth not matching with the words" bit.

Or dub STAR WARS like a Shaw Brothers movie maybe?  Someone could translate the script from English to Spanish/German/Cantonese and then back again and have said dubbers read from the modified script (maybe even take the tone of the english dubbed voices from some of those SB movies - hell, one could just take dubbed dialogue from SB movies and the 60's and 70's GODZILLA movies and work them in).  I would also say that if anyone does any dubbing, it seems when the dubbing is done with all earnestness and seriousness it is a lot funnier than when the dubber(s) are in on the joke.

Bobocop said:

If only I had the time to redub an entire film like that.

I'd try to keep the same voices, but do things like Yoda with Grover lines, Solo has tons of options with all the Harrison Ford movies I could toy with, Luke could get lines from Guyver or that car movie from the 70's... something Summer I think...

The only problem there is that you can see their lips (not that it would matter if you're purposefully trying to make something bad); regardless, Darth and the Stormtrooper bunch (much less anything without a visible mouth) would be perfect to dub without any distractions.... well, other than what they are saying, that is.

You know, maybe if R2 is to be dubbed, why not dub him to sound like a Dalek (and have his eye pulse every time he speaks)?

Bingowings said:

Monroville said:

All you have to do is show Slave 1 lifting off and flying away behind the sail barges as they approach us in their first shot.  Then all you would have to do is edit out all Boba scenes in and around the sail barge.  Later on, you show Boba in the shadows right before the meeting (say handing something off to Mrs. President), maybe even show the Slave 1 flying out one side of the main hanger (say on the port side of the capital ship or out of another hanger) as the Falcon approaches, so Han and Fett just miss each other.

Hell, for that matter, you don't even have to do the second half on the rebel cruiser - just showing Fett leave would allow his character to escape with some dignity, which is really what a lot of us Boba Fett fans want.

You'd need to have a bit more in there to get the double dealing across it doesn't have to be the full conversation and I imagine there is enough James Earl Jones material out there to spin something suitable.

Boba needn't say anything or maybe just repeat (perhaps with a bit of Ady style tweaking) a reprise of his "As you wish" from ESB.

It underlines that he will work for anyone and doesn't care what happens to his clients after he has finished the job.

I understand where you're coming from (as well as giving Boba something to actually DO); I'm just saying all you HAVE to do to give Boba some dignity is show him leaving in the distance during the sail barge scene and edit him out of the following scenes.  Whether he does any dealings with the rebels or not can go either way, but that in the least would keep him from being Sarlacc chowder.

If one WERE to do the "dealings with the rebels" bit, also remember that you have the Christmas Special dialogue that can be used as well (especially in regards to Boba speaking with Vader).

All you have to do is show Slave 1 lifting off and flying away behind the sail barges as they approach us in their first shot.  Then all you would have to do is edit out all Boba scenes in and around the sail barge.  Later on, you show Boba in the shadows right before the meeting (say handing something off to Mrs. President), maybe even show the Slave 1 flying out one side of the main hanger (say on the port side of the capital ship or out of another hanger) as the Falcon approaches, so Han and Fett just miss each other.

Hell, for that matter, you don't even have to do the second half on the rebel cruiser - just showing Fett leave would allow his character to escape with some dignity, which is really what a lot of us Boba Fett fans want.

C3PX said:

 

On a related idea, I have always wanted to edit this scene into The Empire Strikes Back, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM&feature=related

That thing cracks me up everytime.

EDIT: Just discovered this one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gQozw40Mso&feature=related it goes on for a little too long, but shorten it to only two times and add an audio clip of JEJ laughing and it would be another great addition to a worst edit version of Empire Strikes Back.

Good ones on the Vader dubbing.  Speaking of elevator music, what about having the BLUES BROTHERS elevator muzak in all elevator scenes throughout all 6 movies?

Or put police lights on top of all of the TIE fighters (with the siren sound from the above link)?

Here are a few other things:

On a less serious note, could we put some of these things on the guard rails above the shaft (in the Emperor's throne room in JEDI)?




Hmm, one could even shape them to vaguely look like Vader's helmet (like it was Vader's idea as a way to suck up to the Emperor).

I can see it now: "Man, that's far down!  Hey, young Skywalker, wanna take a look at my re-ac-TOR?  Heh, heh, heh.... hey, its that aluminum falcon thing.. HEY!  WHAT'S IT DOING?!  I JUST BUILT THAT!"

Last but not least:
http://www.worth1000.com/contest.asp?contest_id=23371&display=photoshop

we NEED this guy to be in JEDI:R:


Jack Wickelson



Queen Amifrodalla





If only...





or maybe we could change all of the Ewoks to hand puppets.. it couldn't be any WORSE..



you know, once you put the hair on him, it is strange just how much Putin looks like Palps..



I guess George Lucas can't sue you if you're in one of his movies (that's a JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK reference...)



I now have all the confidence in the world you will succeed in your mission (in other words, we're doomed)









The REAL head of the Jedi Council



Busey Wan Kenobi: wait a minute.. he's one of the GOOD GUYS?

doubleofive said:

TV's Frink said:

oh_riginal said:

Dub in Steve Carrel's voice from The Office saying "that's what she said" via comlink during the Death Star raid in ANH, as if he is an unseen off-screen X-Wing pilot, or maybe he is at the rebel base or something.

Best...idea...ever.

Agreed.

Only if after the third or forth annoying time he does it he gets blown up in mid sentence.  You could have Red Leader constantly telling him: "Cut the chatter Red whatever number you want to give him", even modify the audio of Red Leader to make him sound angrier every time he says it (each word is louder and more pointed: CUT. THE. CHATTER.  Red 6"  "I Said: CUT THE CHATTER, RED 6).

For that matter, have some scenes (just some) where the radio chatter is insanely complicated, with audio conversations from other war movies playing overtop each other, making it near impossible to tell what anyone is saying.  Take things like the PEE WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE back-and-forth ("I know you are, but what am I?) and put it in the background chatter, among other conversations.  Remember, there are 33 fighters up there with 33 pilots.

What about maybe taking the Pink 5 audio and put some of it in the background radio chatter during the last battle sequence?

Bingowings said:

Luke's Photon Torpedo fertilizes the Death Star (really a giant techno egg) and it grows into an enormous robot baby which crawls around the universe looking for his daddy.

Or have it turn the Death Star into Mega Maid, which then begins to suck out all of Yavin 4's air.  That or it turns into the Space Baby from 2001, with Peter Cushing's face morphed onto the baby's face).  Darth Vader could be sent through the 2001 time portal, leading him on many great adventures.  And of course, this all happens AFTER the Death Star gets the shot off (ala the DS has a few more seconds on top of the STAR WARS: REVISITED edit) and blows up Yavin 4, leaving Han, Luke, Wedge and mysterious unknown Y-wing pilot as the only ones left of the rebellion.

When EMPIRE starts up, everything starts as normal like all good TV shows.  In fact, the EMPIRE beginning titles could offer some really hare brained explanations as to how Leia, R2, C3P0 and others escaped.

Hell, you could do a MONTY PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL with the opening scrolls, maybe even have someone reading it or reading a DIFFERENT scroll than the one rolling on screen.

And in regards to Alderaan, you can replace the planet explosion with something out of HARDWARE WARS, or something appropriately 70's Italian space cheese (paper mache planet on a string, blows up in spectacular normal speed, falls quickly down with smoke lingering in front of the space background).  Still keep most of the great FX, but randomly replace some shots with bad ones to throw the audience off - since it would bounce from competent to insanely bad and back again.  In fact, you could take the "Falcon escapes from 4 TIE fighters" scene and have every other scene replaced with shots from THIS ISLAND EARTH or the STARKILLER clips from THE GOONIES (or go straight to the source: MESSAGE FROM SPACE and WAR OF THE ROBOTS.  Hell, you could edit in some of the blonde wigged robots from WOTR into the detention block scene, to depict them fighting along side the stormtroopers).

Hell, what would it take to make an edit combining as many of the STAR WARS rip offs INTO STAR WARS to make one big mega epic that makes no sense whatsoever?  But what could be cooler than having Sonny Chiba, Harrison Ford, Vic Morrow, maybe even Robert Vaughn (from BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS) all in the same movie?

Davnes007 said:

TheBoost said:

doubleofive said:

TheBoost said:

...take out Artoo's beeping, and put in dialogue... 

I was seriously thinking about subtitling R2 and Chewie.

 We could dub Chewie, and he should talk like The Fonz.

I think he would sound better talking like Scooby-Doo.

 

No no no no, just simply dub Chewie with a voice sounding like Peter Mayhew and R2 with a voice like Kenny Baker's.  I think this could be a really funny edit but actually something that could be rather "good".  Hell, I believe on some of those "behind the scenes" docos like DELETED MAGIC and BUILDING EMPIRE, you hear Peter's voice (like the clip in ANH right after Ben leaves the DS1 lookout room - when Chewie is supposed to growl, you hear Peter Mayhew say "That man is out of his mind!"  whereupon Han/Harry says "You said it, Chewie.  Where did you dig up that old fossil?!")

If you do an edit with the idea that you can still follow it semi-seriously (like SNATCH WARS), it would be amusing without being annoying.  More MONTY PYTHONesque humor, less Will Farrel humor.

I would also try to match any R2 dubbing with the beeps (like after Luke leaves when he takes off R2's restraining bolt, C3P0 says "I don't think he likes you".  The beeps almost sound like he says "Do you?"  C3P0: "I don't like you either"  R2:"Oh")  You know, maybe you could dub him with a child with a high-pitched voice to match the tones of the beeps.

Sorry guys, I have to post a few more:


Queen Amifrodalla





If only...





or maybe we could change all of the Ewoks to hand puppets.. it couldn't be any WORSE..



you know, once you put the hair on him, it is strange just how much Putin looks like Palps..



I guess George Lucas can't sue you if you're in one of his movies (that's a JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK reference...)



I now have all the confidence in the world you will succeed in your mission (in other words, we're doomed)









The REAL head of the Jedi Council



Busey Wan Kenobi: wait a minute.. he's one of the GOOD GUYS?

EyeShotFirst said:

Here is a quick mockup. To me it adds the fire of the original script. It adds new colour and it makes palpy look like he actually rules the galaxy instead of just being in a dark danky tower.

But shouldn't there be cheap blue carpet over everything, as well as gold window dressings?

Damn persians!