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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

savmagoett said:

this is reeeeeally good, I mean compare to the original. Some very good ideas are putted here, Han's akward kiss back to leia removal, R2 & 3PO comment, the fleet going away in space (with more shots of Akbar, we all love that lobster man :) ), I know it repeating ESB but I just love that Falcon/Luke's x-wing flying apart shot and the hyperspace closing.
I like "the adventure continues" spirit of it, it fits well with the serial aspect of the saga. Overall it's simply "more Star Wars" great job!

I can think of some improvements though:
-keep the SE celebration around the galaxy shots, as it links the two trilogy
-shorten the Ewok celebration or enhance it with dialogs and chattering
-get Sebastian Shaw back of course
-Akbar's dialog is not great IMHO, change it  to something else, like dialog with the heroes for example
-get rid of Han's "Yaooooh" at the end, it doesn't work with his previous state of mind, and it's silly
-beware of the "neverending ending" effect (à la Lord Of the Ring), try to make it not too long ;)

anyway great ideas here SSWR1…

 Thanks for the feedback guys! I would agree with all of your improvement ideas...except maybe adding back the SE celebration around the galaxy shots. I don't hate the shots really...and I agree that it helps link the saga together visually...I don't know...it all happens so quickly...although that could probably be smoothed out with some editting.  Thanks! :)

Personally, I can't say I care for the SE celebration stuff... it just came across as completely ill-fitting visually to the rest of the OT and storywise it was "too soon" for people to be celebrating (LOTS of work still to do).  I think other than some fine tuning, your JEDI ending is near perfect - an actual bit of melancholy in the ending too, which I really like, considering that one of the things that I remember about STAR WARS and EMPIRE was feeling a bit sad that the movie was over.  I never felt that way about JEDI, nor any of the other PT films.

EyeShotFirst said:

Davnes007 said:

I think this is the part that's being referred to...

...right?

How do we know that it isn't just robotic tendons.

Actually, I think he is talking about his fleshy arm, which shows a little right below the green area you marked.  It is between the gold forearm and the actual shoulder, under the 3 metal "tendons".

Moth3r said:

Come on kid, please try to keep up.

I know it's coming out, but like the HOWARD THE DUCK dvd, it still probably won't look nearly as good as what Comp has.  Just go to the HOWARD THE DUCK thread by Dark Jedi and see the comparisons between his HD2DVD and the official release image...

Regardless, I'm still just wondering...

(sigh)

AGAIN, why make this post if this is not available for download?

Rogue Leader said:

 TIEs are a box with engines and a pair of guns with a pilot that probably won't survive their first dogfight... If you don't know how to use all the speed and maneuverability to your advantage then you're not going into a battle well prepared at all.

As oppose to Rebellion pilots who have the advantage of hyperdrive, shields, and a ejection system to protect their ships and people (as their resources were limited and thus to protect such investments made sense). Their pilots live through their encounters, learn from them, and come back as fighter aces to slag their Imperial counter parts.

Makes sense to me even if it was some interesting retconning. ;)

I know, I know.. I'm getting into a STAR WARS debate with a SW fan; a REALLY BIG SW fan.  But all of the stuff you mention is fanfic EU stuff... it still doesn't jive with what a real empire would do: the Romans had the best in armor and weaponry, although it was after Caesar and Augustus that the legions really started to get professional military training.  Also, one can look at the japanese empire during WW2 as far as "lightweight fighters that were a breath away from destruction".  Even so, the US was an industrial giant and had the ability, material and time to create superior fighters to counter and destroy the Zeros. 

In this case, it would be akin to Al-Quada (not that the rebels are terrorists, but would have similar financial and industrial challenges) having far better military equipment and trained soldiers than the US or UK.  They may know all the best hidey holes and know that the only way they can match the US and UK is to play unfair, but when fighting toe-to-toe there is no match: they always lose.  Same thing happened in Vietnam: when the VC staged the Tet offensive, they were annihilated because they came out in the open; when they went back to an underground battle of demoralization, they realized the only way to defeat the US was to destroy their will to fight.

Same case "should" be with the Empire and the Rebellion: the Empire has whole planets to mine, refine and industrialize to create any war machine that can withstand any rebellion firepower, much less overwhelm it, and with far better trained pilots that can be rotated in duty.  The reality should be the other way around: x-wings falling apart due to lack of spare parts, while TIEs get harder to destroy, more manueverable, etc.

But this is STAR WARS.  In a fantasy world, the good guys are always going to have the upper hand in some way, regardless of how silly the explanation may be.  You would think the Empire just cloned Laurel and Hardy or Inspector Clouseau for their entire troop line, judging them by their competence.

Rogue Leader said:

 Had DS2 had been completed, it would of been unstoppable.

remember, this is the EMPIRE we're talking about... I'm sure they'd find SOME way to make it ridiculously easy to destroy...

you know, like that TIE fighter theory: yeah, we have factories that can span entire planets and we have by far the most up to date technology and the best parts and mechanics money and tyranny can buy or take... but we're going to send all of our pilots in spacecraft that blows up from a well placed sneeze because... well, because we don't give a snit.  Who cares about experienced fighter pilots and things still costing money.

Excellent!  That looks pretty spot on... I really like how the light wraps around the Falcon right before it moves past the left-hand cloud.  If this is still not complete, it will be interesting to see how the finished product looks within the complete release...

vaderios said:

Well actually the cloud car stays in fact untouched considering the brightness when passing the sun..

It just the sun bleeds a bit but the illusion works well as ady knows best :D

 

-Angel

Yes, but would that even be the case?  The argument is that certain things stand out as fake because consciously or subconsciously we pick up on things that stand out as physically off... in this case, it is the effect of lighting on an object.  Even here, the Falcon looks too white when surrounded by so many orange objects as well as being behind a cloud which is blocking the sun - it should at least be as dark as the cloud, if not darker due to having a heavier mass (also consider that the cloud itself is a good indication as to how a whitish object would look at dusk or dawn); and would the cloud car be that bright or evenly lit being behind a cloud which is blocking the sunlight?  Even if lit by the clouds underneath it and behind us, would it be that even?

Even so, this is a W.I.P.  I'm just sayin'...something to keep in mind...

adywan said:

Actually that shot of Yoda was originally taken from where he climbs up on the mound to raise the X-wing but they placed it there instead and flipped the shot and caused the continuity error where he is suddenly in a different place.  I've reinstated the shot where it should have been and re-flipped it. I haven't figured out what i will be putting in its place though

As for the falcon needing more of an orange hue, i think you are looking at the 2004 version because in the original whole sequence the falcon had almost no orange hue to it at all and in some shots it had none at all. They tinted everything red in 2004 and it was a mess and i'm not prepared to tint it any more than it is now because it doesn't need it.  And the falcon doesn't need to be darker when it passes in front of the sun. Check this clip out:

http://alwayshd.com/ViewClip.php?Clip_Name=912140101&Tape_Name=9121401

Now the plane darkens very slightly, but not much as it passes the sun, but if you notice the light from the sun bleeds around the plane giving this illusion. In the clip of the falcon the sun is still behind the clouds and the falcon never passes so that the light bleeds around it, so it wouldn't darken.

 

The plane is pretty black in the frames where the sun is directly behind it.  Granted, it lasts maybe a split second or two (if that long), but it's just the nature of having a bright light source behind an object, whether directly behind or in that general area.  Also, this is high noon bright daylight as opposed to a dawn or dusk shot, so there is going to be ambient lighting bouncing from the ground (and probably 100% natural sunlight at its peak), which is why the plane's underbelly is immediately highly visible after it makes the pass by the sun.

When the Falcon approaches Cloud City, be it morning or dusk, the orange hue of the clouds themselves are going to cast an ambient orange light onto the Falcon.. not much, but it will be noticeable.  Also, considering that you show the Cloud Car even cast a shadow as it moves in front of the sun, the Falcon is going to at least be a bit darker, as it appears to be too bright considering the time of day and the fact that it still crosses path with the primary light source, being the sun, which is behind it.  When the Falcon covers the sun, the only other source of lighting would be the ambient light reflecting from the clouds and the city itself, which have an orange hue.

even watching this again, the cloud cars darken and even cast a shadow when moving past the light source/sun.  The Falcon (especially when it is to the right of the cloud, immediately before moving past the sun and the camera swinging around) looks either too bright (in comparison to the cloud right next to it) or there is not enough detail... something just looks odd or CGI about it.   Even so, if the cloud car casts a shadow, shouldn't the Falcon do so as well?  Even if we don't see the shadow being cast (as the Falcon covers the entire frame of view and we would essentially be in the shadow), it would still BE in shadow per the cloud car.

Both look about the same, as the Falcon is out in the open.  There is still going to be a slight orange hue on the Falcon due to the ambient orange light reflecting from the clouds and sky.

the Falcon should be very dark, as it is behind the cloud, which would be blocking a lot of the direct sunlight, per the 2004 image.

I would have to add that the appearance of the cloud cars in the 2004 appear more correct as well, as they are as dark if not darker than the cloud they are passing.  I also understand that this is also the reason that the cloud car models go "above and around the cloud", as if they passed more directly in front of it in a straight "leftward" movement they would almost disappear due to their darkness (as seen below).

A suggestion would be to put running lights onto the cloud cars. 

the Falcon should be much darker on the underside, due to the extreme lightsource being nearly directly behind it, combined with the time of day (dawn or dusk).

the Falcon would appear more orange-ish per the 2004 shot due to the light reflecting off of Cloud City itself.  Being that later on in the "high noon" shots of Cloud City, we see that CC is white/ivory in color, this shot shows how a white object (CC) looks at this time of day and with that particular lighting.  As the Falcon is not as white as CC, it should at least have a similar or slightly darker color tone in synch with CC, as they are both being lit from the same light sources (directly from a rising sun and indirectly from the light bouncing off the clouds and atmosphere).

2004 vs Ady
granted, we are aware of the manipulations done (such as the blue hue on Hoth), but would this still be more visually accurate, as the Falcon has the same dark orange hue as Cloud City, being that both are lit from the same light source?

I also understand that this is still a work in progress and EMPIRE:R still has a long way to go, so I understand that this is not a final shot.

BTW, making sound effects is optional.

I say darken the Falcon and add an orange hue to match the look the Falcon has in the original Bespin approach.

rpvee said:

Ripplin said:

Wow, vaderios sure is in shill mode. ;)

Anyway, not sure what else could be done to the shot. I mean, it even has other ships flying around the city as they're approaching!

I know.  But the Falcon still has a very big "I'm special effects" feel to me, personally (I don't know how far Ady's effects software can go, though).

I concur... the Falcon needs to be darkened (or something), as it stands out as a little odd in its current state, especially flying in front of the sun as it does.  Try taking a model of anything, going outside, and "flying" it over the sun (while not looking at the sun too long)...

Speaking of which, does anyone find the B-wing and A-wing pilot outfits (specifically the helmets) to be a bit... goofy?


is that microphone sticking in his nose?


and... ahhh, what's the point... :D

Darth Editous said:

 

PAL has better resolution than NTSC

That's only true for DVD, not blu-ray.

DE

 

Of course!  It's all in the lines of resolution:

Horizontal rez lines:
a) interlaced - every other rez line is copied or filtered from/with the previous line of rez.  Barely noticeable accept during movement, where it might become noticeable.

b) progressive - every line of rez is independent of the next, providing their own unique line of resolution (so 720p is a full 720 lines of horizontal resolution lines).

(height of image)
NTSC: 480
PAL: 576
HD: 720p to 1080i/p

Also keep in mind that you can have a 1080p transfer of a crappy print (ie: the ONG BAK blu-ray) - a HD video is only going to look as good as the source and the recording process (too much D[igital] N[oise] R[eduction] or overpass of cleaning programs to remove dirt, hairs, etc on film or not enough or not at all, like the US 1954 GODZILLA blu-ray release... blegh!)

Click on the pic for more on the dif between PAL and NTSC:



and here is an example of 1080i (interlaced video):

Sorceror said:

OBtwosy said:

I do have the DVD9 version of revisited - is that the highest rez out there or should I look for yet another version? And if so where (I am not a torrent guy)  

Thanks in advance!

The DVD version (whether you have DVD5 or DVD9; DVD9 version just has more special features) is the highest quality version available.

Blu-Ray is a waste of money. Even if you notice a difference when you're right up next to the screen counting the pixels, you won't notice a difference when you're at a comfortable distance from your TV. Now, if you had a film projector and a screen the size of IMAX ..........

Heh heh, I love that...

There is a BIG difference between DVD and Blu-ray (450i/p compared to 720p/1080p).  Granted, it helps that you have a 50 to 65 inch HDTV (or bigger), as Sorcerer is kinda correct at least when it comes to smaller screen sizes (30" and smaller).  If you are going to go Blu, make sure you have a big screen TV to go with it.

PAL has better resolution than NTSC, so if you can find a DVD/Blu-ray player that can play PAL, that would be the best version to get. 

BTW, here is a link to a blu-ray player that will play everything:



Here is a review of the player.

Rogue Leader said:

Oh! I wanted to post another idea/wish for B-wings. =D In the b-wing's standard cruise mode the B-wing flies on it's side (like the Falcon). In attack mode the hull rotates around the cockpit as it's s-foils locks in attack position. I would LOVE to see that as the fleet arrives at Endor and a whole bunch of B-wings hulles rotate downward as their cockpit stays stationary and the s-foils lock in attack position. That would be such a stunning visual and accurate to how B-wings operate (first 8 seconds of this video illustrates what the heck I'm talking about):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxMqrq1pdVg

A couple of extra thoughts on the B-wing:

(1) I love the different paint job on this one too; the ones shown in JEDI are just flat grey, and to have them painted like this (and show different squadrons with different pain schemes to have them stand out more) would be a definite improvement.

(2) I imagined the B-wing cockpit pod could have the entire ship rotate all around it while in combat, making it extremely hard to get a hit on.  Granted, the body wouldn't be rotating "constantly", but I could see the body rotate around as it was being fired upon to literally move it's body out of the line of fire.  I would also change the laser sound FX to something more in tune with the OT (sorry, but the PT sound FX were so terribly over the top).

And Nerfherder:
Good idea there!  Whether conceivable or not, I understand there is more to it than just the visual "cool" factor, not to mention it would also connect to the Red Leader "negative... it just impacted on the surface" let-down moment and "Oh no!  What are they going to do now?!"

Or Ady (or whoever) just gets rid of the stupid beak; I always thought that the beak was a thrown-in afterthought.  If anything was to be done, I would try to animate the rows of teeth to actually close/constrict like an actual mouth making biting movements and something to show that it is anticipating the meal above.

A good example is the sarlaccic creature near the end of the TV miniseries THE ODYSSEY with Armand Assante (at 5:45 of part 10 and the beginning of part 11).

For the environmentalist nut in your family:






DVD player is behind the chairs...

And last but not least:



and yes, it does pertain to dvd players.. click on the pic to see...

Frankly, I do not understand why people aren't using MegaUpload over Rapidshare.  Let's do a comparison:

When using Cryptloader or JDownloader:

MegaUpload:
- 2 to 5 minute wait time between file downloading
- Cryptloader will download multiple MegaUpload files from different groups

Rapidshare:
- 15 minute wait time between file downloading
- Cryptloader will only download one Rapidshare file at a time.  Period.

Bingowings said:

I don't like this mockup (the moment I uploaded it to Skydrive I realised I'd gone way OTT with it) but I post it in reply to Monroville's comments in the hope it might spark something more subtle. I was trying for an energy propeller sort of idea (as if electricity could be spun in a centrifuge) the inside of the chamber always reminded me of the inside of a top loading washing machine or a candy floss machine (well it did until The Search For Spock came out then I kept expecting The Excelsior to come around the corner). If the walls couldn't spin why not the energy field?:

Actually, I think imagining the outer wall spinning would be quite effective.  I would NOT do the energy thing (and the lightning bolt), as that may just come off as too over the top (Bingo: I know its a roughie.. just sayin)

An alternate idea could be to keep the walls grey as they are (but spinning around, say in a counter-clockwise motion - there are 6 wall panels behind the reactor; movement could be as fast as the right panel moving to the left panel's position in .5 to .7 seconds), but lighting the central core up per the last AKIRA image link (with the bluish and purplish lighting), especially the darker grey area connecting the ceiling spherical section with the lower light grey area. 



I would consider making the small area to the right of the central reactor core an area for reactor engineers (as the Empire likes to put personnel right by dangerous things, like planet killing laser beams) and add some windows, maybe some taken from the CLOSE ENCOUNTERS: SPECIAL EDITION scene (where you can see "beings" behind the windows looking out).



Some other images to enhance the reactor:

For the upper section:





One could also darken the chamber, so the only light comes from what emanates from the reactor, casting a "light through water" effect on the walls.

For some reason, I'm having visions of the MCP from TRON:





Think Ady would go for it?

Asteroid-Man said:

Is there plans to make Anakin disapear out of the Vader Suit like Yoda and Obi-Wan did? It seems like a continuity error to keep his body intact when two scenes later we see he became one with the force. Keeping the burning of the suit still makes sense IMO (Symbolically ridding the evil of Anakin).

Thoughts?

Actually, I think that would be a FANTASTIC idea: when Luke pulls the mask off and has his last words with his father, to show Sebastian Shaw lean back and fade away.. I think it at least deserves a mock-up video to see how it would come out (Davnes)... >:)

If Vader/Anakin did disappear ala Obi-Wan and Yoda, the suit could still retain its shape due to it containing a skeleton of metal within it (like a slinky, for lack of a better visual explanation), much like a full body endoskeleton, as opposed to Vader just wearing a cloth suit with just a metal chest plate, belt, boots, helmet and shoulder pads. 

This concept could be shown when Vader loses his hand to Luke - when his arm is cut off, rather than show a clean abrupt cut with sparking electronics, bits of the outer suit sleeve could come out with the metallic "slinky" support showing underneath the cloth, with metallic "bones" sticking out of the central arm socket, with a mix of flesh and circuits around them (hinting towards a look similar to the smoldering fleshy skeletons of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru)

The point of this would explain why Luke is carrying Vader's "body" (or in this case, the empty suit) and it still retaining its shape, as opposed to carrying an empty suit, which needlessly wouldn't have nearly the same dramatic effect (imagine Luke taking Vader's empty suit and slinging it over his shoulder before running into the shuttle).

Also, V:

(1) examples of audio FX that can be used for Chewie's gun (Vermithrax's "power up" so to speak) here (at 5:04) , here (start at 2:00 - hmm, that priest sure looks familiar...) and here. 


Power up sound would last 1 to 1.5 seconds before firing 2 or 3 spherical blasts.  First 2 blasts would be shown in shot with Chewie aiming at scout trooper, with trees exploding around the trooper. 


(only need to alter barrel of gun to point towards scout trooper; gun is at right level for Chewie to actually be using the scope to look out of.  First 2 shots can hit tree on left and right of ST, can even use new FX to show trees starting to fall down, or at least add sound FX to imply trees beginning to come down due to Chewie's hits)

3rd shot gets him when it cuts away from Chewie to trooper going down in next scene (in fact, one could recreate the scene where Emil gets taken down by Robocop at the gas station - notice how fast Emil flies off his motorcycle.  One could show the scout trooper flying off equally fast with added flames on him for added effect)


(2) some images for a "lit up reactor" mock-up:








Speaking of LAPUTA, could this be another alternate idea for the Emperor's palace (with the tower on the top)?:



minus the giant propeller of course...

Also, some ideas for possible rebel ships:



again, minus the flapping wings on the top one (maybe straighten them out?) and minus the propellers and rear wings on the bottom one.

Lastly, here is a really cool site I stumbled on with concept spaceship art that could be useful for reference:

vaderios said:

Nice idea there Bingo.. I like the coorp of the station-fleet guys..

-Angel

I would still prefer that the rebels maybe even attack the unfinished side and go in through that massive amount of open superstructure, as opposed to a convenient hole which you think wouldn't exist, being that it is on the side of the DS2 that has been completed (how DO these imperial engineers and construction companies do their work?  Imagine if construction workers did this spotty work on roads.. uh, oh yeah).

Anyways, here is a sugg to V:

In the lower shot (and maybe a few more, especially of the wider pan shots of the reactor), would it be possible to create another blue energy field encircling the outer area of the reactor (say down from the upper spherical part you can see above)?

Also, how would it look to make the reactor look more like a reactor?   You know, with more lights or whatnot on it?  Good examples abound in films like STEAMBOY, AKIRA and LAPUTA: CASTLE IN THE SKY.

vaderios said:

wip:

 

-Angel

Is it just me, or does he look a little like Bob Newhart?

Anyways, here is another idea after looking at the JEDI: WISHLIST:

1. Have Chewie miss more obviously with his bowcaster (and possibly change the color to green to match the PT).
   
   
   Maybe to show how different and powerful the bowcaster is compared to a regular laser pistol or rifle, the bowcaster could shoot spheres of energy (like proton torpedoes,, but smaller - audiowise, a new sound effect could be applied to emphazise it's more powerful nature, ie. something along the lines of when Vermithrax breathes in to prepare to breathe fire in DRAGONSLAYER - speed the sound up a little and alter it slightly, but still give it the sense that the bowcaster can build up energy like the R-TYPE gun) and show trees blowing up from the near misses, and its one of the near miss explosions that knock off the scout trooper from one of the speeder bikes.
   
   Not to mention, if you show Chewie shooting so blatantly off his target, it would kinda make Chewie a clutz at aiming and shooting a gun... ie. stupid and silly, which is what I would think any good editor would want to remove from JEDI.

Insanity said:

I think it is done but it wont be shared unfortunately :(

I think this was done for personal use only so ...

If that is the case, then why post a thread?  It is like how some of the concept artists on this forum site act like Pai Mei when it comes to revealing how they perform their magic and refuse to disclose any details or hints, as if it is some trade secret.

TV's Frink said:

Monroville said:

(4) overall, at least for me, I would give both about a good 7-8/10.

Wait, did you just give each a -1/10? ;-)

That would be "7 to 8 out of 10"... "negative 1" (shakes head in disbelief at silliness)...

And V is no H:
how can anyone take you seriously when you post things like "WATERWORLD is better than MAD MAX because it doesn't have Mel Gibson in it"?  Do I even need to get into that one?

Also, is the AT-AT foot getting an enlargement per Savmagoett's concept?: