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o.o? I'm pretty sure everything went to DVD in 4:3 *somewhere* in the R1 region.

Hm, perhaps.

The Ocean dubbed movies are on R1, I don't think there would be an advantage to Pioneer LDs for those.

I think the ideal versions are probably early Funi DVDs, which would be open matte (4:3) and unrestored. If we could find 16s or 35s of THOSE though...

Toei's style of "remastering" is nothing short of a disaster.

They didn't color correct Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball when they "remastered" them for DVD.

When they released Galaxy Express 999 on BD, it was an upscale done by the infamous Q-TEC.

As for Funimation, they did a bang-up job with the first 34 eps of DBZ and then burned out so they just decided to cut the top and bottom off and crank up the DEEN. The most recent releases look like abject hell, but they can clearly do good work when they try.

We need to find as many 16 and 35 mm elements as may be floating around, it might be our only hope...

30's out there, and I think there might be one or two more episodes. (And I've got more than I've released, but that'll be solved as soon as I can get the encodes I'm working on finished.  I don't want to push this rust heap too hard right now.)

Yeah. You'd THINK they'd take the time to do a remastering or something from the original elements.

I think it would be in the Puggo Grande thread, if anywhere?

Oh geez, and I thought *I* came across as an eternal noob. This guy just doesn't quit.

Well, keep in mind, I come from a non-Funimation perspective, so I'm generally seeing this stuff differently than those who have mostly watched DB in English, and most of my focus is on the original Japanese.

There's absolutely truth to the George Lucas comparison, I think. And it's especially obvious if you started out watching the dub of Z they did with Saban, and then go watch the UUE dub later.  Or for those in the UK, they grew up watching the Ocean Group dubs on Toonami, and Manga snaps up the license, what comes out on DVD is Funi's uncut dub... It's all maddening, really, there's so many different versions it'll drive you crazy. And I'm not even getting in to the so-called "Big Green" dub, or the Malaysian dub...Philippine dub...

Yeah, pretty much.

The topic came up in one of Harmy’s threads because of a user’s sig - probably better to put it here since I really dragged it OT.

I’ve been working on some Dragon Ball-related stuff for a while - most of which crumbled to dust as I was unable to do stuff, or couldn’t quite get it right, or had other stuff come up, but I’ve been working on Z lately because someone requested me do dub-over-dub of the Mexican dub onto the “Levels” BDs, which I consider the best release of DBZ so far as they exist. A pity they were cancelled. 😦

I’ve also been doing some work on GT to try to mitigate the tealshift that appears on the newer masters (which are used both for all R2 and all R1 releases). There’s an R3TW set that doesn’t have this shift but it’s crammed and looks like hell.  I’d also like to try to preserve the Canadian dub of this, which is a more straight translation (OP aside) than Funimation’s.

I think in general the Blue Bricks, apart from being zoomed way too far in and possibly overrestored after episode 13, probably have superior colors on the original DB than the R2s - would like to do something about that.

And as many of us know, the English dubbing history of Dragon Ball - especially Z, but even the original - is a really hairy mess, and nobody agrees on which version is the definitive. 😛

(Feel free to jaw off here, this thread’s fine for that too.)

Yeah, DBZ's a hot topic but it's prolly best over in Preservations, Non-Star Wars ;)

I'll pop in on that one just to say I'm trying to fix a severe teal shift in the Dragon Boxes we call Toei Sky Syndrome over on my IRC channels.

*slinks out*

I do have a lightly processed encode of ESB but I haven't released it as I didn't feel it merited release on one of the private trackers and didn't want to use TPB.

A few of my friends have downloaded it though.

There's always a demand for grindhouse. ~.^

Troublesome video is a challenge for some of us. xD

It's that R5 that made the rounds of the Internet around the same time as the workprint and the "Do Not Want" sub.

I used to have a copy of it.

Impressive. Most impressive.

Just started watching this clip, and it's looking REALLY good, final or not. It looks like a movie - and it doesn't look to be coated in thick coarse grain. Is that the stereo soundtrack from an actual print, or one of the other early sources you people have?

I agree, you're absolutely the guy for the job. ;)

Yeah, 70 mm audio would be about a holy grail for all 3 films.

I hate plastering. It's like defacement.

You can never have too much material. Ever.

I was under the impression they had a 2.0 stereo copy and maybe a mono one?

G E Predator said:

CatBus said:

G E Predator said:

That shows Lucas has no appreciation for his art.

Or respect for other peoples' art. A most meddlesome executive producer.

 He should consider himself lucky that his films spawned a fan base that cares enough about them to help preserve the theatrical versions and show them to future generations.

Indeed.

Too bad, isn't it, Lucas, that the fans of your films prefer your incomplete garbage to your final release, huh?

I wouldn't be surprised if decades down the road, the preservationists make the final win, and while even the 1997 versions, never mind the 2004 and 2011 versions, have completely faded into obscurity, while the original theatrical versions painstakingly restored by longtime fans remain the definitive versions in circulation.

Sick, isn't it?

The preservation that I tried to create 10 years ago from the EditDroid rip (some sort of LD cap) and a TV rip of the mono mix...

Soon, it will be within reach...