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#1151236
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mocata said:

I hate to ask, but what the heck is that?

Jabba’s death scene. With extra choking. ROTJ by James Khan.

Keep in mind the novel also says Obi Wan and Uncle Owen were brothers. Old printings do anyway.

Yeah that makes too much sense for George to include.

Gaffer Tape said:
Ewok nipple clamp

This too.

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#1151193
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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SilverWook said:
I still don’t get why people have issues with Dexter’s diner. We had a sleazy bar in the first film. They probably have fast food in the GFFA too. Sentient beings like to go out to eat, no matter what galaxy they’re in.

It’s because Mos Eisley Cantina wasn’t like an obnoxious nostalgia bar for a period in Earth history with matching Earth robot accents. I could be wrong! Maybe it was all an elaborate Wild West fan club.

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#1151069
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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lovelikewinter said:
I’d have rather he said Palpatine. However, I’m thankful we didn’t get Hayden Christensen in this, so he’s not going to be in the Trilogy unless JJ pulls a 180 on his ideas of the Prequels.

He should have said that the Jedi were so blind that a simple senator took power, it be more powerful and less … cringey. Now we have to consider that Luke caught up with friends for a drink after the war in that 1950s diner.

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#1151060
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DrDre said:
in the end all she got from Luke were a couple of incomplete lessons, and some books, and despite this her Force powers continued to grow to the extend, that she beat Luke in a duel, saved Kylo in their battle with Snoke’s guards, and moved a ton of rocks with ease. That’s where I checked out.

Well in theory the Force is something you just need to have faith in. Luke didn’t even know what it was while Rey had this grand idea of it in her mind already. She moved a few rocks, because she heard that was a thing. I don’t think anything she did came naturally, it was more imitation. As for the battles, I’d have to rewatch but it seemed with Luke he was old and without any Force connections, and in the throne room they were struggling by the end and had to work together.

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#1151012
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DrDre said:
Either way none of the films suggested balance of the Force implies dark and light balancing each other, and dark rising to balance light or vicd versa. In any case this interpretation has been debunked by Lucas himself.

To be fair this is inconsistent in the prequels like everything else. Lucas is hardly creating a fully developed canon ahead of time for later film makers to reference. In TPM they say the Sith were extinct, and the boy could just be “the one”. Then in (I think ROTS) this changes suddenly when Obi-wan says Anakin was destined to create balance by “destroying the Sith”. Who were extinct.

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#1150945
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.

By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.

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#1150933
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Rey is a Mary Sue only if you consider that she does everything without any kind of training. So to believe this you have to actively ignore that all her knowledge about technology and ships comes from years living in Scrap World where it’s all there is to learn about. Then you have to also ignore that all her Force knowledge comes from things she’s heard (you can lift rocks) or witnesses (thanks to Kylo Ren). Then you also have to ignore that she “beat” him even though (A) he thinks a lightsaber is something to break TV screens with and (B) he was bleeding out/not trying to win.

The actual “awakening” is a bit iffy but I like the Yin-Yang idea. Then she goes and hands Kylo the First Order leadership on a plate because of her own naive beliefs which is a massively stupid thing to do, but she heard somewhere that people can be “turned” good. I kinda like Rey.

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#1150883
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How much in universe time do RotS and TESB cover?
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While time dilation is a real thing I don’t think it happens here, plus it doesn’t really fit with SW. In Empire I assumed the journey took much longer since the Falcon had to travel slowly, then Luke jumped into light speed and arrived a lot faster at Bespin. It also means Leia and Han had more time to grow on each other. At a guess… a month. Unless we believe that each piece of training is one day.

In TLJ I’m sure that 3 tests = 3 days = same 72 hours of fuel that the Resistance flagship had. I can’t be certain.

ROTS… 9 weeks? Who really cares.

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#1150391
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Gaffer Tape said:

Wow. I never would have guessed we’d be debating whether or not Luke choked the guards. It always seemed completely obvious to me that he was choking them. Funny how that works.

Honestly, Luke’s motivations seem extremely plausible by comparison.

Yes and yes.

dahmage said:

Oh my goodness, this thread is giving me such a headache right now.

Also yes.

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#1150360
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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joefavs said:

This is the first time in my 28 years that it’s even occurred to me that Luke could’ve been doing anything other than choking the guards. I had no idea there was any disagreement at all about that.

Ditto. We’re way off topic but it’s not vague at all. I hate to cite the novelisation, but just as a quick check it says they were ‘choking and gasping’. It’s not even cryptic since when talks to Bib Fortuna, Jabba calls him a weak minded fool as a direct reference to Luke and Ben arriving at Mos Eisley and using his powers of persuasion. It’s very well defined.

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#1150352
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Mrebo said:

“That’s not what the truck looks like” is what’s wrong with how some view Star Wars. The Force can be used to influence minds. That’s the “trick.”

I don’t know what you’re saying. Luke does two things when he enters the palace, he raises his hand and chokes two guys with blatant visual and audio clues - exactly like Vader. Then he goes inside and tries to ‘trick’ Jabba with spoken words - just like Kenobi. Both are distinctive, and they are shown just as they were in the previous two movies. How are you getting the old ‘you don’t need to see his identification’ gag mixed up I don’t know, especially when he does it in the same scene. You think he did the same thing twice?

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#1150339
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The Sequel Trilogy we wanted...
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AveKender said:
In my version of Alien 3, Ripley would have birthed the xenomorph about a third of the way through the film and the Alien would turn out to be a benevolent protector of Newt and Hicks.

Well that’s probably the only idea that would have been worse than what we got.

There have been a lot of weird posts in the past 2 weeks but this one takes the biscuit.