Mocata

I love that he goes on about Aliens so much (a movie I love) but then misses how laboured and on the nose the motherhood themes are after Ripley was just a straight edge pro in the original that was written without gender. If you wanted to be really silly about this it would be just as easy to suggest that like Terminator 2 James Cameron can’t help making his leads into simple child bearing stereotypes who must overcome very basic fears to become mothers/heroes.

This is a fair point.

Noriyoshi Ohrai or bust

Oh I dunno it’s up against Hausu and Sorcerer. Maybe Suspiria too…

Really? SW isn’t even my favourite film of 1977. The rest of the decade is a goldmine.

pure acting skill

I never really put any though to it when basically everyone in the briefing vanishes except for Gold Leader.

screams in the void said:

^ I still disagree

Well it’s more weird of they’re the same actor on camera out of continuity. Or the same character with a different actor. Or when I notice a gaffe 35 years after it was released and probably watched more than once a year…

Jeez what a mess. Imagine being the EU writer trying to cover over all the cracks.

joefavs said:

I rewatched about half of the films since the last time I posted in this thread and I think I’ve arrived at my definitive ranking until IX comes out.

1. Star Wars
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. The Last Jedi
4. The Force Awakens
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Solo
7. Rogue One
8. The Phantom Menace
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Revenge of the Sith

The PT is still kind of a toss-up, but the middle part of the list seems to have stabilized for me.

That looks about right. I may have shifted the top 5 around a little but only 3-5.

SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

But are we talking OT or SE version?

Now now…

Okay so I’m pretty hung over and we watched ROTJ and 2am in a haze of booze. This is my life. But! What I mean is that he dies when like when a bunch of them are killed, and then after some more throne room antics they cut back to the pilots heading for the superstructure - I’m sure he’s alive again for a second. Then Wedge says “good shot Red 2” but it’s a Y-Wing?

Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

It’s randomly added to the map of Tatooine in The Complete Locations for some reason. There’s a bunch of lines added to show their journey, and in between the Sandcrawler and Mos Eisley they added that. I can’t see any other source.

snooker said:

I think I hated it?

I know I did.

Thing is, most people probably like it and moved on to the next blockbuster or the other dozens of releases that came out in the last 12 months. I doubt mass audiences care enough or have the energy to keep so much internet noise going.

Without them showing it there’d be no point to ever using fighters at all. Torpedoes on the other hand…

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Do you know what’s a great title? STAR WARS

I like the way you think

Just look at the price tags. The latest Falcon is obscenely over priced even with inflation.

That looks really good. Shame it’s so expensive though, and books like that tend to go up in price after a while when they’re out of print.

Tobar said:

The canon is already a mess thanks to giving everyone free reign to take things wherever they want.

It’s true. Everyone does what they want, and nobody ever has creative differences.

NeverarGreat said:

Something doesn’t sit right with the idea that the Force is limited by the physical vessel through which it is channeled, at least where the light side is concerned. It is my understanding from the OT that the limiting factor in any feat of the non-Dark Side Force is the belief of the acolyte, with training as a way to allow for greater belief. Luminous beings are we, after all, not this crude matter.

The Dark Side, on the other hand, may very well have some physical cost, as both of the Dark Side users in the OT were either horribly mutilated or clearly insane.

This is one reason why Luke’s death is so inexplicable to me.

Yes luminous beings, aka the soul or the spirit. The crude matter is what died. I admit that it feels more “correct” that the bad guys feel ill effects more than the good guys, but there are no real rules beyond what is shown. In theory the “quicker, faster” dark path is damaging in comparison to the more disciplined method. But there’s nothing to say that using the greatest powers when the body is already old shouldn’t have side effects. It’s all vague enough to work for me (well OT and ST anyway).

It feels more 70s than the prequels which in a way makes it more like Star Wars. But good god it’s so boring. Which in a way is more like the prequels.

That should have been what the tone of the movie actually was. What could have been.

“Arf arf arf… That’s my other wookie impression.”

Yeah no kidding, this is all pure toy marketing.