Mocata

DominicCobb said:

There’s definitely an argument to be made that they never properly conveyed why people need to see a young Han movie.

Yeah there’s just no real hook. With the main series people are obsessed. With Rogue One people hadn’t ever seen a spin-off (of this kind) before and wanted more OG trilogy stuff. Add to this the production trouble news, the casting of some guy they’re selling as young Harrison Ford. Throw in a release window where it’s competing with a climactic Marvel movie that people are clamouring over and a sequel to Deadpool that many still feel is a fresh idea or whatever and it spells bad news. Personally I don’t think there was enough marketing but I guess they spent so much already it just had to be over and done with.

I don’t buy the “protest” argument at all (seems a little tin foil hat to me). If hardcore fans didn’t like TLJ, they probably know that Solo has nothing to do with it. IX’s performance will be a better indicator of the true response to VIII. I think the “boycott Soylo” group is a pretty minor demo, especially considering most of those people probably saw it anyway.

As always with SW, the fact of the matter is most of the audience is made up of casual fans at best. For them I think the main reason is that they still see Star Wars as one single franchise, whereas something like Marvel is a combination of different franchises (which is to say nothing of the fact that Solo’s performance is roughly on par with most Marvel origin movies). I do think the five month gap probably hurt it, as people aren’t used to so much SW at once, and checked out when they felt this one was skippable.

TLJ is still in the home entertainment charts. I still don’t see this big polarising divide. Meanwhile Solo probably bombed because nobody wanted a Solo movie and most people were still watching Avengers 3 or Deadpool, things that general audiences were actually craving. It’s a bad release time and they should have known better.

Should have just waited until December.

NeverarGreat said:

I hope in Solo 2 we see Maul hover around with a double-bladed helicopter lightsaber.

What? It’s no more silly than bringing him back in the first place.

That would have been the perfect terrible ending to the scene. He flies away.

Disney has park exclusive stuff where they have Mickey and the gang as SW characters which is more recent.

Is that Donald Duck still a thing now though? Looks like it would weaken the purity of their brands. I get what you’re saying, but these are niche collectables rather than basic kitchen wear or furniture coverings. It’s a movie thing rather than …an icon of the silver screen or however they usually put it.

Yeah I guess I was in a completist mood one day. It didn’t last.

There was such a mind boggling onslaught of TPM merchasdise, I’m surprised there wasn’t one. Jar Jar made it into bathroom accessories, but I guess nobody wanted a sith lord toothbrush holder or soap dispenser?
Unless crime syndicates are secretly giving the Empire a cut to keep out of their affairs, I can’t see Vader having anything to do with them.

Oh sure in 1999, I just mean like now. Today there are still new Vader and R2D2 things going strong. Household names that people know when they might not have seen a single movie.

As for the cameo I mean I guess it doesn’t have to make sense. Qi’ra can just be the new secret apprentice. Or the new Emporer’s Hand. Or something else dumb.

You know, I always forget there are Ewok movies. For all the problems in the PT I was never able to sit through Caravan of Courage.

Yeah but is there a toaster of him?

Actually I’m surprised it wasn’t just Vader again. I mean why not have him doing a bunch of silly secret things like the old EU?

1. It’s just what is in the movies.
2. Yep it’s just whatever they want it changes in each movie.
3. Budget and or storytelling necessity.
4. Depends which EU sources you want to read.
5. Most planets would just be a desert. Mercury, Venus, Mars. Earth is the anomaly.
6. It’s just what is in the movies.
7. Depends which EU sources you want to read.
8. Depends which EU sources you want to read.
9. You got Lobot in ESB and brain monks in ROTJ, there’s a few.
10. Hell is just a concept. Depends which EU sources you want to read…

Visually it was very washed out, but no more than Rogue One. It’s like their official spinoff grading I guess. Not sure how it replicates the style of the first movie but whatever.

If they remember him at all. Is there much of a PT merch or pop culture presence?

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

I found that his inclusion is less nonsensical that the way that the hologram is able to show such highly saturated reds suddenly.

I keep hearing this, but aren’t the holograms in the OT more than just monochromatic?

Very mildly which is why I say highly saturated. Like they’re saying ‘Guess who! Look here’s a red light saber you love those right!?’

I hope this is a joke.

Always. Or maybe never?

I found that his inclusion is less nonsensical that the way that the hologram is able to show such highly saturated reds suddenly.

Collipso said:

Mocata said:

Turd? Shocking language.

…I’d expect something a lot stronger considering this place being dedicated to undoing his juvenile vandalised version of a film series.

dude, your sole purpose here seems to be spreading hatred. why’s that?

I have no idea what you mean or why you’d single me out.

snooker said:

I feel like Han’s father does have a name, it’s just Han doesn’t like him

He seemed to at least reminisce about the ship yard days though.

Turd? Shocking language.

…I’d expect something a lot stronger considering this place being dedicated to undoing his juvenile vandalised version of a film series.

I dread to ask… but what was Han’s father called if he has no surname?

The Autistic Asexual said:

The characters in Star Wars has never been deep. Deal with it.

When you buy a Star Wars action figure 9 and 1/2 times out of 10 it’ll be a masked character or some kind of really cool creature, it won’t be a human character with a face. That should give any thinking person a clue as to what kind of film franchise Star Wars really is.

I already said they weren’t deep, and why it doesn’t always matter.

The rest of this is a non sequitur.

Well sure there are people doing a bunch of things on the screen. Yes.

Kylo Ren Reviews Solo

The Autistic Asexual said:
There’s characters in Rogue One. You might not like them but they’re there.

Not true. To like or dislike them they have to exist. Instead it’s a bunch of stand ins that are not developed. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that SW77 or even the PT has deep characters. But you need either real characterisation, or just simply fun screen presence and charisma. But you have to have one or the other.

DominicCobb said:
Also, “motivational” is another weird barometer, so I’m not sure you’re point really works.

Well call it what you like. Emotionally resonant?

Well replace it with … I don’t know “mister” or “count” as you say and maybe it works. But is Obi-wan being sassy then or just senile?

As for Ren… he gets no respect!

Collipso said:

is it unreasonable to consider the post-Lucas era of Star Wars fan fiction?

What about 1999 to 2005 was worth keeping?