Mocata

The teaser we’ve all been waiting for

https://youtu.be/W3YzDEQuN6I

yotsuya said:

Valheru_84 said:

I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.

Disney are pushing a very mixed message in obviously wanting to sell their new, young cast of characters (often at the expense of the old beloved OT characters), even pushing a literal 4th wall message in TLJ with “let the past die…” but are so afraid of not getting enough bums on cinema seats that they’ll use the OT at every chance they get, knowing it is what everyone already loves and gets people’s attention. So you get this weird circular behaviour of “forget about your old, tired and failed heroes and look at our new awesome young and diverse heroes out to actually save the day” all the while playing out the same plot points of the OT with a few jumbled up for good measure and shoving all this imagery and references of the OT in your face while someone like Rian claims to be breaking new artistic ground because he shoehorned some manufactured bait and switches into Star Wars.

Because the ST is so referential of the OT, in many ways it is literally a pale shadow of the originals that has been lazily twisted and skewed to try and make it look different.

Let the past die is not the message of any of this. That came from the Jaded Luke and Kylo Ren, neither of them expressing the main focus of the films at the time they said it.

I think the problem is that even when the messages are spelled out (i.e. Kylo is the bad guy his view is wrong) people want to take the wrong idea away. A lot of this thread is just conjecture and ideas about why it’s going to fail just because people think it should, rather than because it realistically could.

There’s a lot of awkward repetition, some of it is well meaning and other elements that feel way too clumsy. I mentioned in the other thread that the PT never feels like Star Wars, and while many inclusions are on the right track I’m not sure it ever get it entirely right here. They must have spent a lot of time on the whole “what is SW to the audience” but just settled on vaguely following the heroes journey, a few iconic bits, a few new things that feel out of place. My major issue is that while finding the ST to be pretty entertaining it’s always just shy of hitting the right mark, like just one more draft, just one more take, just one more adjustment.

The PT always felt like a vague idea of what could work slapped together over a Summer at the ranch, instead of a “kill your darlings” kind of effort where extraneous junk was culled and a proper storyline was given life. Here it’s more that the broad strokes are being painting but the edges are fuzzy, the delineation hasn’t been given enough time. They’ve put effort into fixing the “big picture” or the “idea of Star Wars”. But I’d prefer to see stuff involving the Imperial Remnant or a wilder Outer Rim story away from all the doomsday machines.

The whole thing does feel very meta though. Kylo and Rey are fighting over the toys. Give me back my lightsaber etc. Now in TROS they’re battling over ownership of a DSII collectable. But I guess the problem was always how to expand this stuff further without so many farcical gags or lore breaking moments. There are only so many X-Wing battles and monster escape scenes that you can do before the space wizard bag of tricks is empty.

I don’t know if they showed a new planet, but it looked vaguely like place where Maz Canata lived. Maybe she had a bunch of other Jedi junk lying around. Then again maybe it’s just a generic forest world.

I assumed it was a vision as soon as I watched it and I suspect most people did. Not really a slip up on the official discussion leak.

It didn’t stop all the evil clone discussions.

It’s nice that people enjoy these kinds of lists but it doesn’t make them feel the same or have the same kind of viewing experience. Beyond a few visual effects set pieces and John Williams moments. The entire Ring Theory idea is hilarious straw grasping from what I’ve read, while ironically showing that the films don’t hold up by themselves and need pages of fan theory gibberish to make them have anything compelling under the surface. The idea that any of the current movies are making the PT seem better in hindsight is also hilarious considering that they’ve managed to at least have memorable/likeable characters and discussions of the Force which aren’t outright embarrassing. There are a lot of odd people out there but those claiming the PT is genius for copying the OT while bemoaning the ST as a rehash or some of the oddest.

https://i.imgur.com/qUGKkMu.mp4

Wait a second… why would protocol droids be built with red light bulbs in the eyes? Is it like the X-Box Red Ring of Death? Or are they taking a leaf from those Auralnauts skits?

The scene with a hundred OT Star Destroyers is weird. Is that also a vision?

Did anyone post this already?

OutboundFlight said:

There’s a shot of some red laser exploding into a rock (after the “evil Threepio” shot) that could be “Starkiller II”. That would be a shame.

Besides that though I personally enjoyed the trailer. But I’m near certain Evil Rey is a force vision. The marketing is pushing the final battle to be Kylo and Rey (with a blue saber) on the Falcon in the rain. They show a shot of it in the trailer, and Rey very clearly is on the light side.

I think that from these clips Starkiller II and Evil Rey Vision are both certain.

Honestly the logo alone is a big improvement

DominicCobb said:

In an odd way I kinda like the cartoony aspect, gives it an over-the-top pulpy feel.

In related news, apparently the image of Palpatine is actually a picture of a toy, or so that’s what people have deduced. If true that’s pretty funny.

Yeah https://twitter.com/AskCraigKenneth/status/1165614859209388032

ALOL https://twitter.com/elvishpresley/

RogueLeader said:

Rotten Tomatoes, Cinemablend, and John Campea are some of the few people who tweeted about seeing it at the panel, and yeah I believe starwars.com mentioned it.

https://www.starwars.com/news/d23-expo-2019-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-highlights

Oh. Ohhh. I genuinely couldn’t tell if this was a joke rumour. I guess not…

What was the source for that?

I expect the final posters will be more in line with “leaked” artwork that had all the characters and a bunch of Sith Troopers lined up.

This is official? It looks like a fan poster with some videogame art of Palpatine slapped on.

oojason said:
At no point are there quotes from Rian Johnson in the article stating he ‘subverted’ anything.

Yeah I thought that too, sigh.

Omni said:

Maybe someone could enlighten me? From all of the discussion I’ve seen regarding TLJ, the fact that it’s a very different movie is usually a given, and… I don’t get it.

The things being different are the “unexpected” parts I think, like Rey not having Kenobi parents and Snoke dying instead of being a Palpatine clone etc.

SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

It was better as a random idea Darth Vader had since he was on Cloud City. They didn’t even know if it would kill Han or not. Now even the coffee table he was frozen in is the same. Like everything in these spin-offs it feels grey and muted but most of all fan servicey and boring instead of creative. I’d like to get excited seeing IG-88 but I can’t after Rogue One and Solo, because this is just more of that.

What is the coffee table used for the rest of the time then? It’s perfectly sized for most humanoid life forms. Why would it have hardware built in to show Han was alive and in perfect hibernation? TCW or not, I don’t think Vader pulled this idea out of thin air. The risk came from using the crude facility on Bespin.

Presumably it’s not used the rest of the time? Since the gas they produce or its storage is never seen we will never know. The life support thing I give you, but I think it’s more of an evil scheme than a sci-fi technology that makes real sense.

Why is this same kind of article still being published?

It was better as a random idea Darth Vader had since he was on Cloud City. They didn’t even know if it would kill Han or not. Now even the coffee table he was frozen in is the same. Like everything in these spin-offs it feels grey and muted but most of all fan servicey and boring instead of creative. I’d like to get excited seeing IG-88 but I can’t after Rogue One and Solo, because this is just more of that.

Swazzy said:

The D23 timeline uses the theatrical logos, if that means anything:

With “A New Hope” being tacked on the classic logo, no.

There was a single shot of ESB. Someone more eagle-eye will have to say that it’s the same Blu-ray version again.

https://youtu.be/frx3bJonfQ4?t=101

DrDre said:
They cooked up this idea, that the New Republic didn’t want to directly confront the FO, which seems reasonable enough, but it wasn’t really in the film. There was no face for the cowardice, and arrogance of the NR, and so the seemingly ineffectual NR was wiped out of existence before having an identity of its own. I think rather than have this sort of weak side plot, that ended in the destruction of SKB, the focus should have been put more on the growing tensions between Leia, and her supporters, and the leadership of the NR, repositioning her as the true leader on the good side, after having been demonized as the daughter of Darth Vader, and then have the movie end with the shocking destruction of the central system, validating Leia’s point of view. It also would have fiven Leia more of an arc. The scenes on SKB could still play out in the same way with Han’s death, and the duel, but the moment of Han’s death would coincide with the death of the NR. I guess it would be a bleak ending, but it would have raised the stakes, while the movie still ends with Rey finding Luke, as a hint of hope for the future.

That’s a fair assessment. I would have also changed the form of the SKB. Maybe have it be a conduit for energy that travels through hyperspace after which the beam could then emerge some vast distance away from a specialized capital ship. Instead of just another evil globe with no obvious new threat beyond having more laser power.

Rodney-2187 said:

Still, it’s all Star Wars. It just seems people talk about the Original Trilogy as some sort of sacred era of perfection before Disney came along and made all of this other stuff they don’t like. It’s as if they have deleted the Holiday Special, two Ewok movies, Ewok animated series, and Droids animated series all from their memories. Star Wars has always been about more than just the main saga movies, and The Last Jedi isn’t the first piece of Star Wars that some people haven’t liked.

Remember that time Attack of the Clones was derided by fans and then the next movie was a box office flop? Oh wait that never happened since casual viewers aren’t ever that discerning.