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Dat_SW_Guy said:

Force-Abel said:

On the coming novelization of ‘The Rise Of Skywalker’, by author Rae Carson:-

“just gonna shamelessly take this moment to mention that if the #TheRiseOfSkywalker film included everything in the novelization, it would definitely be at least 3 hours long”

^ https://twitter.com/raecarson/status/1212810807009873926
 

The book will be available from March 3rd - https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Skywalker-Expanded-Star-Wars/dp/0593128400

That tweet kind-of confirms the reddit leaks in regards to the insider speaking about how Disney screwed up JJ’s original 3-hour cut. Then again, it’s a rumour.

Then again, wasn’t that all discredited?

I’d be far more accepting if there was any honesty involved. Something like Blade Runner, The Lord of the Rings or Amadeus is labelled clearly so you know what’s in the box. Even if certain versions are rarely released. With these it’s still shown as 1977 instead of whatever Special Edition they’re now selling. Those two words don’t appear anywhere.

Strange that something like Captain America seemed to have underperformed by modern standards.

As for TROS I guess some word of mouth has kept it going?

Ah yes Sybok, that beloved character…

DuracellEnergizer said:

CatBus said:

And then Vader’s stepping on the robes turns into a curb-stomp of the mangled body. I’m liking where this is headed.

And have Vader yell “It’s all your fault! You were jealous! You were holding me back!” at the top of his lungs while doing it.

It’s like poetry.

Or y’know… he didn’t want to for anyone else.

SPOILERS FOR TROS IN THE VIDEO LINKED BELOW…

Star Wars: The Franchise That Choked
https://youtu.be/psHdd-4FGQk

Star Wars Kabuki Theatre
https://youtu.be/jbJQcbbKazw

I have no idea what is happening, but there seems to be dance interpretations of Snoke’s guards scene in TLJ and maybe the finale with Luke? Beats me.

Thanks for reminding us that Detours existed.

I see RO was being similar to John Carenter’s The Thing, which also had a strong cast of characters, despite none of them having any clear backstory, shown or told. We learn who those character truly are through their response to the crisis in the film, and I personally think that’s so much more interesting than just a series of flashbacks

The Thing is a masterpiece, carried by a cast who are distinct with small amounts of screen time between them. They are memorable and often charismatic. RO has no such cast. And it’s the wrong genre for that sort of ensemble.

canofhumdingers said:
When he found the hallway full of rebels, he did what he routinely does in the OT and goes into action.

What he routinely does is stand behind the front line cannon fodder while they die in droves, then he steps forward to assess the damage. He doesn’t move that fast, ever, and he doesn’t use his lightsaber or the force wastefully like that. If only the way he acts was the issue… but the main problem is that he’s clearly been added in a reshoot for fan-service. Any theme of sacrifice (which was barely achieved with the blandest cast) is thrown out by a finale that cheers on the bad guy. Am I crazy is this all wrong to anyone else?

DuracellEnergizer said:

“Sheev” is Palpatine’s first name. That detail was one of Lucas’ last contributions to the lore, IIRC.

I can’t wait for the next edited release where someone says it out loud.

Broom Kid said:

Well, all of JJ’s movies share a lot of similarities because he’s got an identifiable, strong personal style. But Into Darkness, save for the very poor decision to sample the ending from Wrath of Khan and invert it despite it not having any set up (or real point, considering we’d already seen at this point Khan isn’t even the real bad guy in the film, more like an antihero), had some similar problems, but it also wasn’t as incoherent from a storytelling perspective. Almost all the beats it was trying to pay off were set up and investigated at least a little. It’s not a successful film overall, but there are more effective moments in it, and those moments are more competently strung together. It’s a much more consistently constructed and executed movie than The Rise of Skywalker.

It’s still very similar though, so I think that the idea Disney “made JJ do this” is pretty unlikely. This is all very close to something he would make both in style, laughable content, lack of imagination.

Broom Kid said:

Well, all of JJ’s movies share a lot of similarities because he’s got an identifiable, strong personal style. But Into Darkness, save for the very poor decision to sample the ending from Wrath of Khan and invert it despite it not having any set up (or real point, considering we’d already seen at this point Khan isn’t even the real bad guy in the film, more like an antihero), had some similar problems, but it also wasn’t as incoherent from a storytelling perspective. Almost all the beats it was trying to pay off were set up and investigated at least a little. It’s not a successful film overall, but there are more effective moments in it, and those moments are more competently strung together. It’s a much more consistently constructed and executed movie than The Rise of Skywalker.

It’s still very similar though, so I think that the idea Disney “made JJ do this” is pretty unlikely. This is all very close to something he would make both in style, laughable content, lack of imagination.

ZkinandBonez said:

Also, how was Jyn’s origin cut? The first 10 min. or so is her backstory

The first 10 min shows her father’s history catching up with him. Her training and subsequent falling out with Saw have been dropped.

It’s impossible to be sure, after all JJ helped make Star Trek Into Darkness which is very similar.

The problem is that we are told his backstory not shown it. The same with Jyn since hers was cut. It’s the same as Anakin and Obiwan being “good friends”. We never see that. He’s in a bad place after being in the war so long? So much for TLJ being the only example of deconstruction and grey areas. Too bad our experience in the movie is him flying about with a comedy robot, and a couple of darker moments that are quickly glossed over.

DuracellEnergizer said:

They’re not real people 'cause they’re mostly CGI.

This is also true.

So really what I mean is the entire Robot vs Clone story is designed for one purpose: to allow massacres on a military scale to be sold to family audiences. It’s the last creative way possible to depict such a war. Some of it looks neat but that’s it. The same problem applies to most of the PT, since the concept artists are good at their jobs but can’t influence the real film making.

Not any more…

Now even Jakku is part of a Palpatine cultist plot.

I don’t know, both the Burning Homestead cue in TFA and the Vader unmasking bit they used here sounded distractingly identical to the scores I’ve heard so many times.

Z6PO said:
in TLJ it was a truly poetic idea.

Not any more.

ZkinandBonez said:

Clones aren’t real people?

That’s right.

They look interesting as a design regardless though. In fact both sides in the PT look neat. Too bad they exist so that no real people die in the Clone Wars.

It’s probably CGI? So logically speaking there is no saber prop. To have a physical door melt next to the actor would require some interesting chemical choices. Maybe it’s a miniature they blue screened into the shot in post?

theprequelsrule said:

Yavoth said:

I like the “force Skype”, as it was called above, especially with various objects jumping between Rey’s and Kylo’s surroundings.

Wait…are you saying The Force can now instantaneously teleport objects?

It did in TLJ as well.

ALOL